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Immigration: An Inconvenient Truth (UK show)

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	Kilkline
	Oct 2, 07, 04:01 #1 - anyone in UK see this last night?	Member Posts: 495 Joined: Jul 23, 07

	rex [Guest]
	Oct 2, 07, 05:41 #2 where give me the link i want to see it	Guest

	kie
	Oct 2, 07, 06:15 #3 What did it conclude? Cheers.	Member Posts: 10 Joined: Jun 4, 07

	Kilkline
	Oct 2, 07, 06:35 #4 It broke down immigrant groups into their different nationalities to do the survey. Very un-PC but very enlightening. A few surprises as well. Out of all the European countries the Portugese were be far the worst in terms of employment, salary expectations taking up of council housing etc. They were more similar to Pakistanis then to Europeans. Poles however had one of the lowest salaries but were also the least likely of any ethnic group to have a council house. The pattern that was seen with Poles was that they often arrived in the UK and did crap jobs but moved on to better jobs very quickly. Overall, the worst ethnic group was the Somalis who were massively unemployed. There was a Somali woman who had 5 kids and a council house and was getting £34k a year in benefits. This is untaxed so is the equivelant of earning about £45k. I felt sick .	Member Posts: 495 Joined: Jul 23, 07

	Michal
	Oct 2, 07, 10:19 #5 I though the programme was also unfair and biased as it portrayed the English as all lazy council house tenants on benefits whereas many work very hard. Employers prefer the Poles because employers can change contracts and make new foreign employees work longer for less with short term contracts and make them work bank holidays for the same rate of pay but the programme did not high lighten these facts.	Member Posts: 2313 Joined: Feb 27, 07

	tornado2007
	Oct 2, 07, 10:25 #6 Quoting: Michal I though the programme was also unfair and biased as it portrayed the English as all lazy council house tenants on benefits whereas many work very hard. i can agree on this point but there are 10 Million Brits not in either work/education that could be employed instead of giving the jobs to the immigrants. We need to look after our own country first and kicking these people out of beds and into work is a must. We don't need Poles to make us Coffee in Costa's, We don't need Somali's to clean our floors, We don't need Australians to serve behind our bars because there are enough British people to do the majority of the work. Instead of opening hte flood gates the government should have looked at what it had instead of joining the EU to try and boost our economy. We should be picking the best of the best, the people we need to fill the positions we need filling, after all this is our country and we should be able to control who comes here and for what purpose.	Member Posts: 2308 Joined: Jul 11, 07

	Michal
	Oct 2, 07, 11:43 #7 Quoting: tornado2007 We should be picking the best of the best, the people we need to fill the positions we need filling, after all this is This is really what the Australian points system is all about. Manay years ago, I was a student at the then Portsmouth Polytechnic and I got to know a German Language student who failed his first year examinations. He returned to Balham, South west London where he still lives in his parents flat. He has not worked again since his time in Portsmouth this was in 1983-twenty four years! He has been living on social benefits ever since! In fact, the staff at the social security office feel quite sorry for him and have decided that it will be very unlikely that he will ever work again so a little while ago, they sent him for a medical so that he can double his weekly allowance with an invalidity allowance so as to boost his weekly 'wage' from £50 to £100 a week!	Member Posts: 2313 Joined: Feb 27, 07

	ajgraham
	Oct 2, 07, 12:02 #8 Quoting: tornado2007 i can agree on this point but there are 10 Million Brits not in either work/education that could be employed instead of giving the jobs to the immigrants. Even this figure is dodgy.....As it includes Pensioners and mothers with children and disabled people etc....Any adult not actually working!!	Member Posts: 169 Joined: Jun 9, 07

	szkotja2007
	Oct 2, 07, 12:13 #9 Quoting: Kilkline anyone in UK see this last night? I didn't see it - did it mention Scotland ?	Member Posts: 1410 Joined: Dec 29, 06

	tornado2007
	Oct 2, 07, 12:14 #10 Quoting: ajgraham Even this figure is dodgy.....As it includes Pensioners and mothers with children and disabled people etc....Any adult not actually working!! sorry i did not make myself clear, this number are the people able to work who don't work or are in education	Member Posts: 2308 Joined: Jul 11, 07

	ajgraham
	Oct 2, 07, 12:37 #11 Quoting: tornado2007 sorry i did not make myself clear, this number are the people able to work who don't work or are in education What......10 million!!!......The program said the unemployment rate with white brits is only 4%.....where did you get your figures from?.....i'm no expert but i don't think they add up some how!	Member Posts: 169 Joined: Jun 9, 07

	espana
	Oct 2, 07, 12:46 #12 ok tornado if you want to have england for the english dont send any of your people to spain ....i dont want any english making me a coffee in spain too, also it is not very nice to have to speak english in my own country just becouse the bloody waiter is english! thats the problem of the english they think that the only language in the world is english!	Member Posts: 808 Joined: Feb 28, 07

	tornado2007
	Edited by: tornado2007 Oct 2, 07, 12:49 #13 Quoting: ajgraham What......10 million!!!......The program said the unemployment rate with white brits is only 4%.....where did you get your figures from?.....i'm no expert but i don't think they add up some how! well going by this website i'm not that far off, you can't go by government official statistics you know, its bad for them if the rate is high so they can alter it to make it low http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_artic le_id=475517&in_page_id=1770 Quoting: espana ok tornado if you want to have england for the english dont send any of your people to spain ....i dont want any english making me a coffee in spain too, also it is not very nice to have to speak english in my own country just becouse the bloody waiter is english! thats the problem of the english they think that the only language in the world is english! wow wow wow, i don't want England just for English, if i did i would be saying, all foreign nationals should go home, i'm not. All i am looking for is a more effective strict immigration system to control our population and get our lazy assed people out of their beds and off benefits into work. There is nothing wrong with prioritising the English in England is there??? :)	Member Posts: 2308 Joined: Jul 11, 07

	Daisy
	Oct 2, 07, 12:58 #14 Quoting: Michal I got to know a German Language student who failed his first year examinations Quoting: Michal He has not worked again since his time in Portsmouth this was in 1983-twenty four years! Quoting: Michal decided that it will be very unlikely that he will ever work again so a little while ago, they sent him for a medical Quoting: Michal his weekly allowance with an invalidity allowance He dropped out of education and has been unable to live independently of his parents in 24 years The staff at the benefits agency felt it necessary to send him for a medical referral. BA staff do not send people for medical referrals because they feel sorry for them; the Benefits Agency like any other Civil Service department has to follow strict procedures, and complete and produce the correct forms before anything can be actioned ( I’m speaking as a Civil Servant here) The occupational health doctor, after examining him and completing the mass of paperwork sent to him with the referral, diagnosed this man as being unfit for work and therefore entitled to disability benefit. I find it commendable Michal that you have maintained contact with this poor man after all these years, Balham is a fair trek from Guildford, yet after all this time you still maintain an interest in his welfare	Member Posts: 1272 Joined: Apr 28, 07

	JayJay [Guest]
	Oct 2, 07, 13:23 #15 I saw and recorded the program because, being a British man of Nigerian parentage, i thought it was very enlightning and it allayed some of the preconceived negative notions some people might have about Nigerians. It concluded that Nigerians, being a former British colony. are the reasons why immigration has been very good for this country, because Nigerians are usually highly educated, very ambitious and their skills has been largely beneficial to the public service i.e The NHS, Social Security service etc. It also stated that, unfortunately, the mass arrival of the Somalian refugees has had an adverse effect on the public service because they are usually non-english speakers and coming from a war torn country means they are usually unskilled and uneducated. Hence, they usually end up on the welfare payroll. Among other things, It also concluded that The Americans, Canadians & Australians are the highest contributors to the inland revenue, due to their entrepreneurship. And looking at the continuing arrival of the Polish nationals, it concluded that even though the Polish have had to do a lot of unskilled jobs, they are continuously working their way up the ladder and they are as hard working, ambitious and highly educated as the Nigerians. (and i should know, 2 of my colleagues at work are Polish nationals :)	Guest

	tornado2007
	Oct 2, 07, 13:25 #16 Quoting: JayJay Polish nationals :) i've never doubted the Polish nationals or any other nationals for that fact, its just i believe we don't need as many as we have currently got and are going to get	Member Posts: 2308 Joined: Jul 11, 07

	espana
	Edited by: espana Oct 2, 07, 13:32 #17 Quoting: ajgraham The program said the unemployment rate with white brits is only 4% i m sure this 4 % of the people dont want to work , tornado what do you expect if your country doesnt have a simple bloody id card , (in poland and spain they have id cards but for the english we are primitive) what can you do with all the illegal inmigrants who work here legally in england just because they have appear to have all the required the papers (national insurance number, visas etc) but really they are false......why they dont send people back if they not are legal to stay in england? is it too expensive to do that? your government is a mess sometimes i wish the BNP would win the elections so they would send me home too but then my pretty engish wife would be sad ..................or happy (you never know in this life)	Member Posts: 808 Joined: Feb 28, 07

	tornado2007
	Oct 2, 07, 13:35 #18 Quoting: espana your gobernament is a mess yes they have it wrong when it comes to immigration Quoting: espana a simple bloody id card we could do with one of these too, however we could also do with having some harsh restrictions on immigration too Quoting: espana the bmp BNP but i know what you mean, no it would not be good maybe UKIP as they are not racists but they have Britain at heart	Member Posts: 2308 Joined: Jul 11, 07

	JayJay [Guest]
	Oct 2, 07, 13:45 #19 Quoting: tornado2007 its just i believe we don't need as many as we have currently got and are going to get Yep, the program also concluded that the continuous arrivals from various countries is over stretching our infrastructure, but what can be done? Personally i think the government should introduce some kind of points system, like they do in Australia and they should also make carrying an ID card compulsory.	Guest

	tornado2007
	Oct 2, 07, 13:56 #20 Quoting: tornado2007 here is a general explanation of what my idea is as it says its simple at the moment because i just haven't sat down for hours to properly write anything up. I would love a chance to work for the government and bring some ideas to the table, heck but who dosen't :) Quoting: tornado2007 why just Polish in general, don't try and make it look like i have a problem with Poles because i don't so please stop your insinuations now, thank you. Well the very very very draft version of my idea is to simply make everybody apply three months in advance of them arriving into the UK, whether there from the EU or outside of it (with my idea we would be outside of the EU, therefore not under their laws). Of course all the information required on the application form would be the same standard ones as applying for a Visa/Work permit etc. When the papers have been sent to the UK there can be a proper background check completed with the full co-operation of the government of the applicants country. Therefore any criminal record, infectious diseases or any other history that may stop a successful application could be assessed. When the application has been reviewed then the person is granted permission to both work and live in the UK. I have thought long and hard about it and have come up with a pretty simple plan that with some people with resources could probably be implemented, however with our current political status this would never be possible. Any further questions are welcome	Member Posts: 2308 Joined: Jul 11, 07

	isthatu
	Oct 2, 07, 14:53 #21 Why should I have to carry a bloody ID card,leave that to former friggin dictatorships. We have a simple easy solution in this country exactly the same as Oz,shut the door,we are an island,control who we let in and demand that the rest of europe takes its fair share of refugee's and economic migrants. I love the fact we are multi ethnic in this country,especially now that this is spreading to areas previously WASP but when schools are having 50% of their intake as non english speakers with no extra funding,im sorry,i get parochial and think we should be funding our "own" childrens education not the rest of the worlds.	Member Posts: 1704 Joined: Jun 8, 07

	Matyjasz
	Oct 2, 07, 15:24 #22 I've been a member of this forum for over a year now. From the perspective of this time I'm surprised that England is still in it's place. Give me a bloody ballot and I personally will vote BNP. Maybe that will end this one-year long moaning competition. :) PS: Quoting: isthatu Why should I have to carry a bloody ID card,leave that to former friggin dictatorships. It's not that bad, believe me. :)	Member Posts: 1401 Joined: Jul 20, 06

	osiol
	Oct 2, 07, 15:53 #23 Quoting: Matyjasz me a bloody ballot and I personally will vote BNP. Maybe that will end this one-year long moaning competition One vote for those c***s is one too many.	Member Posts: 3865 Joined: Jul 25, 07

	Grzegorz_
	Oct 2, 07, 16:27 #24 Sink It.	Member Posts: 4907 Joined: Nov 16, 06

	peterweg
	Oct 2, 07, 16:40 #25 Quoting: espana ok tornado if you want to have england for the english dont send any of your people to spain ....i dont want any english making me a coffee in spain too, also it is not very nice to have to speak english in my own country just becouse the bloody waiter is english! thats the problem of the english they think that the only language in the world is english! Just because they speak English doesn't mean they are.	Member Posts: 462 Joined: Feb 16, 07

	truebrit
	Oct 5, 07, 10:50 #26 Quoting: tornado2007 i can agree on this point but there are 10 Million Brits not in either work/education that could be employed instead of giving the jobs to the immigrants. We need to look after our own country first and kicking these people out of beds and into work is a must. This figure includes non working wives(the husband works) and the many people (eg public sector workers/those taking early retirement) who retired before age 65.Yes,there are too many scroungers-but not that many.Stop believing the Daily Mail and snap out of your doom&gloom.	Member Posts: 228 Joined: May 19, 06

	ajgraham
	Oct 5, 07, 11:34 #27 Quoting: truebrit This figure includes non working wives(the husband works) and the many people (eg public sector workers/those taking early retirement) who retired before age 65.Yes,there are too many scroungers-but not that many.Stop believing the Daily Mail and snap out of your doom&gloom. I tried to tell Tornado the samething!.......but got slagged off for it!!	Member Posts: 169 Joined: Jun 9, 07

	trtnarmy1
	Oct 5, 07, 16:50 #28 Quoting: JayJay hard working, ambitious and highly educated as the Nigerians are u trying to imply that all nigerians are well educated? and that all uk nationals are not? im all for the poles and there baltic cousins, but given a choice? im sorry! but i would stop at that. It was our fathers and mothers who built this country! Not bloody well educated nigerians. Infact with your wonderfull education (gained at the uk tax payers expense no doubt) why not pop back to nigeria and spread your knowledge (permanently)	Member Posts: 28 Joined: Sep 22, 07

	tornado2007
	Oct 5, 07, 17:48 #29 Quoting: truebrit doom&gloom. it aint doom and gloom my friend its a solution to some of the countries problems, we got people who can work and they should be working, we don't need every man woman and their dog to do the jobs :)	Member Posts: 2308 Joined: Jul 11, 07

	9098 [Guest]
	Oct 5, 07, 19:27 #30 Tornado why dont you become a politician seeing that you know all the answers. - typical BNP mentality - this is a free world - people can do as they please - only govts complicates lives and stereotypes people. You are probably on benefits too and enjoying it - you need the black market to thrive the economy. Besides why cant we take back some of what the colonialists have stolen in our countries - even if it is only benefits	Guest

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