Your intimate feeling toward Russians

Kamil, frankly speaking it’s mostly negative as I haven’t read anything positive about Poland since Mr. Pu came to power (maybe actually there were something but I didn’t see) or indifferent, which is maybe even worse than negative ‘cause as long as you don’t have any interest in what’s happening to others you’re vulnerable to imposing of will from the outside. Unfavorable historical conditions are also extensively used which is obviously irrelevant. It’s like not to ride bicycle for the only reason you’ve fallen down once. Whether this surprise you or not but the older generation’s attitude toward Poles is distinctly better or at lest it’s never indifferent. Younger one eats with pleasure media rubbish. Maybe it’s a World tendency… :))

Crow, da li ste Srbin? I actually liked your ideas of Slavic friendship as well as your good sense of humour when you were talking about privileged access to Russian natural resources. At that point I should say I don’t like when Russians overestimate their role in the World neither I like when somebody underestimates it. Be relevant. It’s a 2008 right now.

As for the Slavs in Germany… To the best of my knowledge you meant Wends or Sorbs. They certainly may be perceived as a cradle of Slavic civilization but they have nothing to do with the actual state of affairs.









Where’re the mods? Delirium. You guys better quit smoking trawka (weed) ASAP…

Do you guys know what “anthropology” means? There’re no specific Slavic, Russian or Serbian genes. Let me explain. For example Russian tennis-player Elena Dement’eva and boxer Nikolay Valuev are related to absolutely different sub-races. Meanwhile, they’re both Russians. East-Nordic sub-race that resides in the Western population of Russia also inheres in people from Baltic, Scandinavian countries, Germany and Eastern Europe. Serbs are the mostly have Dinarian blood (by the way Serbian-Russian genetic “intersection” is less than 2%, which doesn’t prevent us to get along perfectly). At the same time Russians and Serbs are both Slavs.
The point is that your nation as well as your religion is the question of your self-determination, of your personal views and life preferences. We may have much in common genetically but we may speak different languages, live in different countries and practice different religions. Saying that Germans “are in fact Slavs” is the same as to assure Chinese that he speaks Polish but he’s barely not up to that.

P.S. Crow and southern, there’s good expression in Russian. “Delat’ medvezh’u uslugu” literally that may be rendered as “to make bear’s service”. Idiomatically this means “to harm keeping in mind good intentions”. That’s what you’re actually doing in this thread. I strongly doubt if it can make anybody good.

I love this kind of thing. Polish has the same saying - "oddać niedźwiedzią przysługę". Now I'm wondering whether the Poles borrowed it from Russians, the Russians from Poles, or if it's one of those things that are so old that they came from a common Slavic origin. Cool.

all right you got my attention

you maybe think that those two posts of yours are ugly, rugged and provocative but, `as ugly as the north end of a pig going south` would be closer to the truth

In Serbian language: Medvedja usluga. - A bear's favour (a favour that does more harm than good).

Dobro braćo- Poljak i Rus, what`s wrong with you? I nicely said ...

so, you see??? It`s about their origin but of course that they aren`t Slavs today. We very well know that they are anti-Slavs. Every Slavic child knows that


Listen to me guys

What is this? Now, you defend German origin here? My country is a fu*** battlefield and you trying to prevent me to nicely spit on Germany, telling pure truth.

It`s easy to you to BLA BLA. Russia from time to time has `interestingly good` relations with Germany, selling interests of other Slavs and now official Poland also found happiness serving Germany inside of EU. What is that? Sado-maso, slave syndroms?

It would be good opportunity for me that I ask you now... Why are you such, such... ***** and, why don`t you try at least a little to help to Serbians? Urge your governmants to support Serbs, instead to just BLAH BLAH or even criticize us (to put cross on myself). Please, understand that Germany attacking us, here on Balkan!!! Everywhere!!! They need more and more Slavs to transform into Germans!!! Wake up Slavs!!!


i know, i know

Anthropology was largely disregarded as science after WW2 since it supposedely led to unacceptable racist researach.It gained so bad reputation that eversince nobody gives it a place in science.



Actually there is haplotype R1a which is common among all slavic nations and very rare in others.
Crow maybe right about Eastern Germans' origin since research has shown a very high percentage of slavic haplotype R1a among them,you can see it in the genetic map of Wikipedia which Lukasz showed in this forum.

Sorbs have the highest frequency of haplotype R1a with 61%.They are probably the purest slavic folk in the world.
Poles follow with 55& frequency of R1a.
Ukrainians have 54%.
Belarussians have 50%.
Russians have 47%.
Czechs and Slovaks have 30%.

R1a distribution is negligible among folks of western Europe.

Southern, were are Serbs (because I couldn't find them and sorbs live there)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs

In Europe, R1a is found primarily in the eastern part of the continent, with the highest frequencies among the Sorbs (63.39%), Hungarians (60.0%), Poles (56.4%), and Ukrainians (54.0%). The two main directional components of the spread are consistent with an East to West migration as well as a radial spread from the Balkans.

Pericic et al. (2005) suggest three possible explanations for the distribution of R1a variation:

At least three major episodes of gene flow might have enhanced R1a variance in the region: early post-LGM recolonizations expanding from the refugium in Ukraine, migrations from northern Pontic steppe between 3000 and 1000 B.C., as well as possibly massive Slavic migration from A.D. 5th to 7th centuries.

The last possibility is less probable, the distribution of Paleolithic pattern depth is unexplained by massive people flow. Genetic data support autochtonic school of Slovian historiography.

R1a1 carrying Vikings settled in Britain and Ireland, which accounts for the presence of the haplogroup on those islands

Lukasz do not get confused with Vikings because this has not to do with distribution of R1a among Slavs.You give a ground to the others to change the basis of discussion.Here you have DNA and DNA is strong evidence.It is not fairy tales or subjective.
Did you notice 45% R1a in Latvians?Of course it is normal,since half of them are of russian origin.And the rest is also result of mixed breeiding although they will deny it to eternity.
Supposedely Serbs have the same R1a frequency with Sorbs since Serbs and Sorbs have common ancestors.I doubt about serious research in Balkans since there are heavy nationalistic groups which press scientists and a lot of ignorance.

For me it is very interesting the distribution of R1a among inhabitants of former republic of Macedonia.According to Wikipedia they belong to Slavs with a distribution of 35%.However in the separate article about Macedonia also presented in Wikipedia it is claimed that the distribution of R1a among them is only 17%.It is very serious claim because it may prove that they descend from the non-slavic ancient Macedonians as the propaganda of this state officially states.On the other hand if they have 35% R1a they are Slavs and have nothing to do with ancient Macedonians as Greek and Bulgarian historians claim.So the question remains open and we need an independant,objective research and not some scientists sponsored by state propaganda officers.

But for the results among Eastern,Western Slavs I do not doubt because they come from independant,mostly western studies and point more or less the same.

http://www.polishforums.com/polish_vikings_relations-34_20259_0.html





and we all know that Serbs are more silimart to Turks - Greeks ( DNA) family than to Polish (DNA). Culturaly they are Southern Slavic nation

This is an insult to Serbs.You have no knowledge about local history.Serbs largely refused to breed with Turks,they regarded it as disgrace and lived separated in distinct cities,villages and neighbourhoods.If a serbian girl married a Turk,she would have to join harem and change religion and Serbs were too proud and touch to allow that.
So they refused to mix stubbornly except the cases where children were kidnapped from early age to become soldiers for the ottoman Empire.However this breed affected the ottoman population which gained some slavic genes by these soldiers,do not be surprised if R1a will be found in some areas in Anatolia as well,where descendants of these soldiers may live.

The Serbs remained largely Slavs and kept all the slavic traditions,symbols,language,everything.The constant struggle against Turks gave them a greater conscience of their distinct national slavic identity(more than Czechs for example who were assimilated in greater degree in Austrohungary Empire than Serbs did during ottoman occupation).

Crow will confirm all that.

folowing DNA researches it looks that Greeks, Serbs and Turks are one family. So maybe you should make union ;-) all in all the same blood. Culture is a bit different ... who cares :P

Very wrong.You are confused.It is normal not to know about Balkan history.Yes,to the external observer it may seem that all balkan nations are the same,he cannot tell the difference between a Bulgarian or a Serb or a Greek,the point is that there are huge differences although there was some mix in certain regions and certain periods.
Look for example.The DNA of Turks in the western coast of Asia Minor is the same with DNA of Greeks.I knew that before the results came.It is because of historic reasons.All over the coast of Asia Minor,Sicely,South Italy,South France,Libya,Crimea lived Greeks in the past.Guess what?The DNA of all these folks has strong similarity to contemporary greek DNA.No surprise for people who know the history.For sb who does not know the history it is easy to say that this proves that Greeks come from Turks or that they are the same.

See now distribution of R1a among Greeks.It is 11%.How is so large distribution explained?Everyone knows that a lot of Slavs lived always in Greece.Do you know how many greek villages and cities have slavic names?Thousands,all over Greece.
Serbs have some common DNA with Greeks.Yes,of course.Belgrade existed from byzantine Empire whose officers and language were more or less greek.So there were Greeks in Serbia,why not?They gave them religion,alphabet,laws.

However the mutual influence does not prove that folks are the same.Serbs are Slavs,they know it,everyone in Balkans knows that,nobody will call Serbs Turks because Serbs killed the Turks.Serbs are maybe the tallest nation in Europe,they have all the common slavic characteristics,does it have anything to do with the common turkish phenotype?

Yes, Crow, I can just imagine the buzz in the scientific community when you published the results of your survey of world penises. How many did you measure in each country?

I presume, Southern, you've had a very limited exposure to German female breasts because my personal experience indicates German girls are well endowed.

If you can get a grant from a scientific foundation for expenses, I would be glad work along side you and measure the breasts of Europe. We could start in Portugual, work our way east throught Italy, the Balkans, till we reach the Urals. Then go North through Russia, and work our way west through the Baltic countries, Poland, Germany, Holland, etc. Then we'll Ireland, the UK and end up in Scandanavia.

Once we publish our results, we'll be more famous than Otto Titsling:

Southern I wasn't trying to insult you ;) I just wanted to show something much different ;)

ok you are not Turks (I don't know why you are so nervous about that). ;)
easy man. I was politely (lets say) trying sygnalise something. The same as Sasha from Moscov ...

My evidence on this matter is more or less anecdotal and come from personal observations as well.To realize the difference you have to go to a place where Germans and Slavs lived in the past like Sudetia in northern Czech Republic for example.There you will see both the german and the slavic phenotype and their mix.You will hear for example a girl saying I look like german while my sister is slavic,she has big breast and big ass.There they have conscience of the differences.The rest of course does not know.



Actually some studies have indeed taken place and they pointed the superiority of british breast in terms of magnitude.I was also blown up when I came across the powerful melons of english girls.Go to a resort where English make vaccation and the view of topless girls will leave you no doubt about who is the premier superpower in Europe.

Lukasz you are not insulting me.You are insulting Crow by denying his slavic origin.
Anyway I know that a lot of history is rewritten or buried in favour of contemporary politics.There is tension in Balkans about that especially after separation of Kosovo has led to increased national awareness of all folks in region.

Oh,do shut up crow,the entire world knows that your serbian chetnik heroes were nazi collaberators..........

they have difanetely Slavic language and Slavic traditions ..

How to show what I mean it is interesting that Polish people are the purest Slavic nation (after small disappearing nation Sorbs somewhere in bratwurst land ;) and Hungarians ).

Polish people are the purest slavic people it is still 55% of population. So our alliances or friendships can't be based on some circumstances.

Which "german" look will that be?

URL

These are kinda unnecessary statements - just a step or two from "Polen Über Alles"

I hope I am not misundestooded. I wanted to say that in comparison to some nations Poland with 55% of more or less slavic population can't have policy based on nationalistic Crow ideas.

How would this 45% feel ? Most of them are assimilated and it is so beautiful. We are all Polish :). They could change their mind if we stared to think like Crow.

OK. My comment may be a bit out of place then.

I really thought we were over that....basing policies on genetics!

Heck, I hope you are :)

yes we are. I just wanted to show something for Crow togheter with our Russian friend Sasha.

The links in URL provided by Bratwurst contain an interesting study of cystic fibrosis gene mutations types by which the scientists reached the conclusion that czech population is definetely of slavic and celtic origin.Mutations common in other Slavs were present in Czechs as well,though rare in western Europe.They are also present in areas of Austria where slavic element has historically been strong.

great article (on posted by BB website)

"Comparison between the Polish population and
European populations on the basis of mitochondrial
morphs and haplogroups"


great link thank you BB



second great article there

"Mitochondrial DNA variability in Poles and Russians"

this one is very interesting as well:

Y-chromosomal STR haplotype analysis reveals
surname-associated strata in the East-German
population

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