Iraqi officers receiving training in Poland

Seems like they brought some Iraqi's to train in Bydgoszcz. Has this been in the PL news? How do you think people feel about this? Personally, I wouldn't want them training in my back yard.

lol likewise.

They're attending the JFTC, doing a 12 day course to brush up on NATO procedures and the organisation of MN exercises. Seems like a pretty good idea if they want the Iraqi Army to start assuming more responsibility for their own country. Best learn how our friends do business etc.

Yes but do you really think Iraq can look after itself in a civilised manner?

im actually just asking here.

why not, fisz?

nm taking the thread off at a tangent.

It was about oil, for bush anyway. iraqi freedom was just a ploy.

British and American lost lives is a devastating loss. I can only hope the numbers of the fallen stay low.

stop fekin with my mind huegel

hehe sorry bubba, just figured this was Fisz's thread, didn't want to take it where it didn't need to go: ie was america right to invade. (ps no one answer that!) now back to the training in poland

lol... it was an interesting article... refreshed the page to see what people were saying and wtf... gone!!!

I think that anything to give Iraq the power to govern itself is a good thing. As long as the war criminals (US and Britain) leave the country as soon as possible.

Stupid idea invading iraq, look at that place. I would have rather lived under saddam hussein and keep my mouth shut than fight for survival on a daily basis on the streets of iraq. What a mess. The coalition of the silly really ****** that poor country up hey?

Agree, the british public are against it as much as you are.

My backyard isn't big enough and my neighbors would probably complain.

sorry... didnt realise you were being facetious...

No really....Because I'd have a hard time trusting these people...I mean come on ..they blow each other up Who's to say that some won't be traitors and do sth stupid in PL. I know it's not likely, but never know.

yeah... true... but i guess if i was an iraqi would have a hard time trusting nato forces... since its largely american who have a reputation for blowing innocent people up and not shooting straight... whos to say that some wont do something stupid in PL... i know its not likely but you never know... they did accidently drop an atomic bomb off the coast of spain ...

you are right fisz.it is in their culture not to keep promises.taught how to use weapons,they may,one day,point it at you.

yeah... imagine how silly the americans must feel having trained and sold weapons to the afgahnis...

You mean how the US govt feels? I think the silly Americans were just doing as told

if youre silly enough to put yourself in a position where you have to do what you are told... regardless of how silly... good luck to you!

When you have to take orders....yes No matter how silly. You've obviously never been in the military.

This is why i don't think the military is the place for any ethical person, as you must blindly follow orders no matter how evil or wrong they might be. I believe in making my own decisions, especially when it comes to keeping myself alive. No one but me will send me to my own death.



Agreed. Following orders blindly is one way to get yourself killed for no reason.

For what have 3000 americans died in iraq for......for nothing. Congrats to George and Tony for having blood on their hands and licking up every last drop of it.

i have fisz... before realising that i wasnt quite that silly...

i think NK has the right idea... if i am going to put myself in a position where i might kill or be killed then the only person making that decision is going to be me...

People follow orders every day in the work place. And some of them die.[coal miners, firemen etc.]

It's about having confidence in your superior's ability.

Any soldier who is given a ridiculous order has the right to disobey.

It is because some people have a code of ethics that they join the military. And don't sit at home complaining.

As for deciding your own fate. I'm sure the victims of road accidents, if they could speak from the dead, would beg to differ.

seems to me you are just arguing the toss, wroc

BubbaWoo,

I'm not sure that I understand what you mean. A forum is for various opinions.

I was just trying to show a balance. I had post # 22 in mind when I made my reply.

if you join the army you know you take a huge risk.obeying orders is a MUST.if you don't obey an order you may put at risk others.you may as well spent all time in an army camp or be sent on a front line. i hear ,every day,that more soldiers died in afganistan iraq ect and that it is such a huge loss ,we shouldn't be there and this kind of crap. this is a risk of being a soldier!you shouldn't join the military just for money or opportunity to play games with big boys and real toys.i can tell you what to do to be an army man and be safe;buy a PC and "Medal of Honour".

As above

of course a forum is for various opinions...

fisz opened the thread with an opinion which suprised me coming from him... i questioned it openly and got a facetious answer in return... again suprising me from him...

so i countered with an opinion offering a different perspective... rafik then came along and suggested that iraqis cant keep their promises and wouldnt it be terrible if they were trained to use weapons that they might one day use against us... i suggested that the americans arent renowned for keeping their promises and have a solid reputation for training people they then go on to fight... bit silly, really... but nothing new...

we then progressed to an argument suggesting that *following orders* is a legitamate excuse for doing something *silly* whereup narko points out that a lot of americans have died *following orders* for a pretty silly cause... which i agreed with and addedd that if i was to find myself in a position where i was required to put my life on the line and be expected to take someone elses then i want to be responsible for that decision and not just be following someone elses orders...

yes... people follow orders everyday and some put their lives on the line to do so... but taking someone elses life is a different matter... and i for one am not prepared to do so just to *follow orders*... especially when they are obviously so silly...

there is a code of ethics that motivates people to join the army... not a code that i would subscribe to... sitting at home complaining has nothing to do with it...

but i am still waiting for a sensible answer to why fisz wouldnt want iraqis training in bydgoszcz...

hello is espanna i was banned just for nothing !!!!!

why they did nt baned bubaawoo when he put about espana have sex with dead people them?

becouse this web is run for people who dont know what is be free!!!!