Iraqi officers receiving training in Poland

I would, so they will be trained properly, and they can fix their own problems in their own country.

something the bush administration should've done a long time ago in my opinion.

Yes...It's called a sense of humor....I like to keep one handy You can't be serous all the time..what are you from south london or sth


And that's why I got out...wasn't for me. There are plenty of other people that want to fight for our country. I've done my time, saw little action and fortunately never had to kill anyone.

But why Poland? Why introduce this country to people that are obviously dangerous and suicidal? I just can't see how this wouldn't bother the locals.

I do agree that they need training, but honestly...I still don't think any of this is going to work. That country will be in a civil war for yrs to come.

Bubbawoo,

The only point I would argue is the degree of the order and where it came from.

I accept your post and will wait for others to reply.

edit:
Seems I was late to reply.

I have no problem with training foreign troops on Polish soil. If it leads to better public relations and fewer or even zero deaths, all the better. The quicker they are trained the quicker Poland can get out.

ok. i know it all was a bit chaotic and i'll try to put it straight.
1.the war in iraq is not justified and we shouldn't be there.
2.unfortunately,we are there so we should help iraqis now but on their own soil.arab countries never keep promises and may turn at you at any change of the wind.they may gather some useful information and use it against us(pass this information to al-qeida for example).
the example of americans who helped afgans in 1980s says it all.
3.if you join the army,you are obliged to obey orders.you can't choose what to do or what not to do.you can't say"i don't want to go to iraq because i am scared and it is a dangerous place".

do they know what is be free ?

can i say what i want ?

so why they banned me ?

is like long time ago when they was comunist but now all is different!!!

why not? maybe they have a decent military training? and about the locals, civilians won't even see these iraqi recruits? - since they aren't polish citizens and do not have a permission - they will probably be training at a base, and staying at a base untill they are ready for iraq.



well, maybe in your country. the dutch army for example, doesn't tell it's people to blindly follow orders at all. we have a code of conduct, and if a superior violates or compromises this code of conduct, we are definitely allowed to make our ''own decisions'' and even to arrest our superiors if necessary.



I can't predict the future, but with all the attacks and extremism, just don't think being a civilian automatically means you're safe.

I just happen to care more about my own people back home than I care for myself. I think stopping them over there - or atleast try to! - will prevent a lot of unfortunate events over here..

and we have a basic military training of 4 months, and get sent to countries after a year of active service, so we're prepared and know how to handle a crisis situation.

also, our army personel believes in ethics, and believes in making friends with the locals, and believes in rehabilitating.

okay, things happen. mistakes too. but it's not like search and destroy over here. our people get trained for only one purpose, which is creating stability and safety.

anyway, as a corporal, I must make my own decisions in situations where there's no sergeant at present, or when there are no clear orders. every soldier here gets trained and learns how to be effective without a superior. and the convenant of geneve actually means something here.

just don't forget the army does a lot of other things than going to afghanistan and iraq, we also had one of our brigades helping at new orleans with the flooding.

and with the tsunami. etc.

maybe because you don't have anything interesting to say?

shut up just becouse i try to piss off all poles !!!!!

Now we banned your IP too. Admin

they have to put.......poland general discussions for poles!!!!!!!


no for other people , who think different!!!!!!!!

that no tolerant , and is of comunist!!!!!!!!

respect what the other have to said and if is not the same than what you are thinking, you respect that too!!

This is probably true. But, I was just curious to see how the people living in PL felt about it. If they trained in my city I wouldn't feel comfortable with the fact the it can eventually be a target. The chances of this are slim...but still should be a concern. IMHO


Let's hope this is true for every nation that has troops there

troops
war
kalashnikov
perestroika
irak



come on do some snow mans not the war!!!!!

i think if you take off this bag of your head everyone will understand what you say.it looks like you can't catch a breath

Rafik...this gay stalker shouldn't even be given the satisfaction of a reply...I think he should just let the grownups discuss......

you are rigt fisz but he is such an easy prey

sorry... on a lunch break... delicious...

nato's european training facilities are in bydgoszcz...

is this a good thing for bydgoszcz and or poland...?

should non-nato member troops be trained at the nato training centre...?

time to watch your favourite cartoon and take a pill.blow....

True...But it's like arguing with an immature 6 yr old

espana... y tu madre... bien, eh..?

you're talking about the iraqi's who actually help american soldiers. these people want to help your army and government to fight al qaida and have a semi-secular iraq which doesn't cause so much problems internationally. but if I remember correctly, it was the american government who felt it was necessary to start this war and cause an unnecessary amount of international problems?

oh, and mr. rumsfeld was the person who helped saddam to his position in the first place, same goes for the CIA who gave mr. osama all the money and weapons he needed to defeat the russians. so maybe, instead of accusing these iraqi's of being potential terrorists, you should look at who is actually responsible for this war - as a nation! - and maybe poland is doing the things america should do.

my point, in iraq you have christians too. these people aren't all muslim extremists, and yeah, I disagree with a lot of things in their culture, but I think it's wise to help them to recruit soldiers to enforce a safe iraq. - which will eventually pay off for your country as well -

I couldn't agree with you more. I hope that we can train them efficiently and get out asap. I know that the people training mean well, but I honestly don't think it's going to ever be a secure country.


Sorry, but I don't know who else to look at. I know that the US is responsible and we should've never occupied but we aren't the ones blowing ourselves up for virgins.

Right lets put som facts straight. There is a lot of cock and bull and pseudo intellectual chat regarding Iraq, the middle east, the US etc.

1) Iraq is not just about oil.

2) Saddam Hussain did kill alot of people yes, but he also held a country together which as we now see is extremely divided along sectarian lines.

3) Iraq has never posed a threat to anyone of consequence at home nor abroad. The couldn't even beat post -revolutionary Iran and that was with US support and backing.

4) The real reason why Iraq was bombed back into the stone age, is that Saddam sought to pursue an independent policy outside of US influence.



If you understand the basics of government the simple principle of divide and rule has been applied in Iraq. The US has accomplished exactly what it wanted.
It has also sent a message to the rest of the world to watch out or be bombed back to the darkages.

The US and UN did this in Yugoslavia, the picked on the Serbs and bombed them to hell, to make the point to anyone in Europe not to follow an independent route.

The US uses mecenary states to help fight its wars, the two principles are Israel and the UK. We are the armourers, then trainers, the elite forces.

Radical Islam? A blind to the truth.
The most radical, the most fundemental muslims are the Saudi's Oman and Qatar, monarchies incidentatlly. Their Islam is called Wahabi (check spelling). This makes Shia, Sunni and Sufi look positively docile.

Is the West at war with Islam. Answer no.
Who is the West at war with?
The West which is the USA and he allies, willing or not is at war with the poor. And since many of the worlds poor happen to be muslim, then its much easier to say we are fighting religious extremists, terrorists. Its a lie the rich are at war with the poor the always have been and always will be.

The first people every government i.e UK and US are its own population. The government and the big buisness's they represent have to subdue the population. Control it. look how many domestic anti-terror laws have been passed in the last 4 years?

The biggest two lies that are constantly perpetuated are
1) WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY, FALSE
2) WE LIVE IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY, FALSE.

1) We live in totalitarian states.
2) We our economies only function because of huge government intervention.

This world is by the rich for the rich.

should have read

The first people every government i.e UK and US are at war with are its own population

isnt an ass some kind of donkey...?

Yes... Maybe there's a secret society of donkey commanders

yeah... you know you might be on to something there...

...always thinking Bwoo

sounds good... i try to leave the thinking to others...