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Israeli Tourists & Shin Bet in Oswiecim


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joepilsudski
  Jun 6, 07, 15:20  #1

I recently came across a couple of articles on the net about Israeli tourists visiting Oswiecim...apparently, the locals there are very upset about their rude behavior and
even the Ashkenazim in the town don't like them...One story was posted at newsnet14
.newsnet14.com/?p=4536 & another cited a Polish weekly paper called Przekroj
Weekly, but since it was entirely in Polish, I couldn't read most of it...Doe anyone on the
Forum live in Oswiecim or have any info on this?...it seems the Israeli Shin Bet accompany tourists when they visit...why are Israeli secret police allowed in Poland?

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southern
  Jun 6, 07, 15:25  #2

Maybe they want to buy some residencies inside.

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isthatu
  Jun 8, 07, 14:35  #3

come on,dont buy into this,follow the threads and they lead to dodgy right wing conspiricy theory sites.
I have spent some time in the main camp,Stammlagger,the Brick barracks area with the infamous gates and site of the 1st Zyklon B killings. Iwas there with a group of students 16+ who Im pleased to say all showed the greatest of respect to this international monument to the bestiality that man can inflict on his fellow human beings be they Polish Catholic,Polish Jewish,German/Polish/Hungarian etc Roma,or any other spuriously categorised "undesirables" or even just local people rounded up as hostages with no thought to their religion or race(unless a magic volksdeutsche card was produced)and shot against the wall of the yard of death for the "crimes" of a distant AK or possibly even Zegota action.
Under the main gates,"work makes you free" several teenagers were posing for the sort of holiday snaps normally taken on the beach.They wernt Isreali.German.
In the cellar of block 11,the scene of the zyklon b "experiments" where 600 Soviet POWs and 250 Polish "political" prisoners were murdered over about 24hours(in one go this is,the gas just didnt work effectivly for a time.) our group of British students did get "jostled" by surly teenagers with the obvious implications that we should leave for their right of way,these rude individuals were Isreali teenagers,the IMHO rather inaprpriate national banners they were swaythed in(come on guys,nationalisim must have its limits or its going somewhere dark again....) outside there were also other groups of Isreali Teens in the identical uniform of sports wear and Flag(hey even us brit students looked quite smar,tJews ,muslims, christains and atheists alike.) and they were definatly the kind of kids readily seen in any town center shopping center around the world on any Saturday afternoon,rude load and arrogent(like "normal" teens should be,in the right place),but in other parts were smaller groups of Isreali Teens( I can recognise Hebrew) who wore the same shocked and saddened faces I saw on "my" group,in short just what you would expect in that and many other places(probably the same look I wore in Warsaw as enjoying the best ice cream ever I realised that all that was missing from the street I looked out on was the wooded bridge across it.) so nothing to write home about or stand out in a crowd. I have not been to Isreal yet but I am sure like everywhere else it has its share of oxygen thieves ,if as I suspect all Isreali Kids visit the camps theres bound to be a few gobby idiots amongst them,teenage behaviour should not be a meausuring stick for an entire nation(or as I suspect,race/religion.) no more than the behaviour of drunken english louts in marbella should tar the rest of us as we try to explore a Europe a lot of us here love.
As for Shin bhet(sp) acompinying the kids,unfortunatly there are evil kids out there who will not think twice about slaughtering kids,Beslan anyone,so,if Poland has agread,either publicly or in secret to allow armed protection for children who lets face are targets to some,why not,who wants to see more dead kids,I certainly bet the government of Poland wouldnt be in a great diplomatic position if some nutter did do something on Polish territory,the lies and cold war black propaganda about endemic Polish anti semitisim( a handy way to cover questions regarding just who was handed power in parts of east Poland circa 39-41) is still near the surface in many misguided/ill educated minds.
Teenagers are best taken with a pinch of salt,Bravado and Blusster more often mean "Nobody loves me and I dont know who I am yet" nothing more or less.
Yes I know some Isreali kids are ill educated about just what happened and the fact that millions of other people were killed in the same places and for the same spurious reasons of ethnic cleansing, Some Polish kids still think The cavalry charged the panzers in '39 and dont get me started with the avarage brit kids historical understanding.....
Pokoj,Peace, Shalom and Salaam alikhum to all

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