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This is really amusing. If the Pope's mother was Jewish, then he was Jewish! I'll leave it to the members of this forum to chew on that for a while. I thought he was a nice man. So for my part, as a Jew, I accept him into the fold.

I wish I could. As with my family leaving Poland in 1951, I have built my life here, it's all I know. I would be in the same boat they were. Going to another country and having to start all over. Selling my farm here and my horses. Not to mention the family that have been born here, my own children would not understand.

After many years the USA has grown an appreciation for the Polish in the USA. It was not always this way. As a child I recall being told to go home to Poland as I did not belong here. A "ski" in your name made you a target in school and an outcast/misfit that simply did not belong. Yes, children can be cruel. I do not say this for pity as I have a happy ending. Around 7th grade I became popular for who I am. I never forgot though the feeling I had as a child, and know first hand the damage prejudist can do, Each and every person is the same reguardless of color or religion.

My chip is due to Polish family's mostly non Jewish that never spoken out like the Jewish family's and are not taken into consideration. We were all victims. If you are Polish you were targeted. Some lost entire blood lines, some were lucky and lost only a few. My point is reguardless of your loss we all have scars. My father as with many victims, lived a lifetime in silence and pain within his heart vs. having a "holocaust" as the Jewish have and a nation digging for the truth. If you see this as "a chip" so be it. In the USA since 1989 groups that never spoke out are now finding a voice. We are at long last doing what Jewish family's have always done. Documents that we did not have access to in the past are at long last being released.

Don't get me wrong I know of the suffering that the Jewish family's endured. Jewish also were aware of what took place to ours. If the tables were reversed and the only ones looked at as victims were the ones that were born in Poland or just Roman / Greek Catholics I believe Jewish would be saying the same thing I am, what about our families? Remember we are all the same.



arrest or death.



I believe the word that should be used is, "exiled".
http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Exile

Definition of Exile
Ex`ile´
n. 1. Forced separation from one's native country; expulsion from one's home by the civil authority; banishment; sometimes, voluntary separation from one's native country.
Let them be recalled from their exile.
- Shak.
2. The person expelled from his country by authority; also, one who separates himself from his home.
Thou art in exile, and thou must not stay.
- Shak.
v. t. 1. To banish or expel from one's own country or home; to drive away.
[imp. & p. p. Exiled ; p. pr. & vb. n. Exiling.]
Calling home our exiled friends abroad.
- Shak.
a. 1. Small; slender; thin; fine.




Carol

You and Joe have something in common, you believe in the same crap :)

I was not referring to just WW1 and WW2 but ...



Carol

I don't understand what "crap" you are referring to. What I meant was that according to Jewish religious law a person whose mother was Jewish is considered a Jew, meaning that he has all the obligations and legal standing of a Jew. He is obligated to keep the laws of the Torah and can marry only another Jew, etc. In the spititual sense, he is part of the nation of Israel. If a person is not aware of his being Jewish then he's not held responsible by Jewish law for not having kept the laws. (Unlike Christianity and Islam, we don't believe that non-Jews are required to keep the rules of our religion, only the 7 laws of the children of Noah.)

lesser why do you attack someone's religion?
As a good catholic as yourself you are a fine advert for the catholic religion, peace and understanding!!!

Thank god (or not) I am a atheist, no competition here among non-beleivers :O)

Celinski,
I finally found something we have in common. Actually two things:
1. We both were frozen in time in the 1940s, in the sense that our attitudes toward Poland, Jews, etc is pretty much set by the situation during and after the war. Whatever changes have occured in Poland since then, especially after Communism fell, have little effect on the impressions we got as children learning from our parents and grandparents. In the long term, our perspective might be more accurate than people who judge the situation according to the past 10 years. And by the way, although it's true that there's more awareness of Jewish suffering than of Polish suffering, that's not because Jews suppress the Polish story. Who's stopping Polish people from writing books and making movies about Polish narrative? I would love to read more about that.
2. You have horses! I love horses and I go riding every other friday at a ranch near my town. I go with 2 or 3 people riding (western) in the orchards and fields of the Sharon valley. If you're ever in israel you are welcome to join us.

JPII mother was not Jewish, she was church going Catholic, educated in Catholic school. Surname Kaczorowska doesn't sounds Jewish either.

Of course I don't care about any silly competition among religions. In fact I don't like when the Catholic Church blandish to people, because it extends the number of low quality Catholics and this is not the point.

About atheism being non-religion, this is questionable if you take a look how some atheists in this forum behave in "religion threads". They seems to care so much to extend the number of atheists. This is their obsession.

That's not correct. You will remember the tremendous fuss kicked up by the Jewish community when the Germans wanted the Berlin Holocaust Memorial to include all victims off the Holocaust, not just the Jewish ones. In the end the Germans caved in to Jewish pressure, and that was that. The Memorial, inaugurated just two years ago, is strictly about the Jews. No-one else is mentioned - it's as if the other victims just didn't count. And this is just one example.
Not to mention the Auschwitz Crosses - an amazing story in itself.


I take it that by "narrative" you actually meant "recent history".
You have made a good point here - it is high time the Poles started telling their side of the story - warts and all. And, preferably, this should be in English.

Since you've brought books up, may I suggest this book:

"The Holocaust Industry" by Norman G. Finkelstein, ISBN 1-85984-773-0

Norman G. Finkelstein (now living in the USA) is the son of two Polish Jews who survived the Holocaust. His is a very enlightening book - well written, well balanced and a must read for all those interested in these matters.

Celinski, you say "When I do research for documents I have been unable to seach because I am not Jewish."
Are you saying that you've tried to do reasearch in a Jewish holocaust library or museum and they refuse to allow you to do research because you are not Jewish? That doesn't sound plausible to me.

Yes, on line sites this has happened to me two times. You cannot enter unless you join and you must be Jewish to join. I was in a site and ran my family's name and it told of documents in this other site I was trying to go into. I never did see the documents.
Carol

lesser wrote:

Surname Kaczorowska doesn't sounds Jewish either.

Kaczorowska anglicized to Katz?...from Lithuania?...something to ponder.
Some more discussion on this:
http://www.cephas-library.com/catholic/catholic_pope_has_jewish_mother .html

There are quite a few 'Jewish' cardinals right now.

Kaczorowska sounds Polish, not far from Kaczynski. Kaczor is drake

Hmmm. Katz... Kaczorowska. Now why didn't i think of that before? Well that proves it! JPII was an alien from a Jewish planet who's been broadcasting radio messages to unsuspecting Catholics to make them like gefilte fish. The only way you could have known that is if you were a freemason yourself, Pilsudski! Don't think we don't notice that "joepilsudski" backwards spells "iks dus lipe oj", which is talmudic hebrew for "have a pleasant shabbes". We've got your number.

Rofl :)

If any entity on this planet should be aware of a little self-disciplined prudence it surely should be the Jews.

These restitutional demands only help to fuel the hatred amongst the masses.

Put the gears in neutral, Jews.

Such monetary lust will only compound and galvanize those already with hatred in their hearts.

Reply to Przemas:
Where it's possible to compensate for stolen homes and businesses, then compensation should be made - to Poles, to Jews - it makes no difference. (Germans are another story, since they caused the whole mess in the first place, so they deserve no compensation.)

Why is that? I honestly don't understand your point. Did we invade Poland? I wasn't aware that we had an army back then.

She married out and most likely decided to turn her back on the Jewish faith, her son was baptised and raised in the Catholic faith - so whilst his mother may have been born into a Jewish family she gave up practicing, married out of the faith and brought her son up not as a Jew but as a catholic, so her son was not a Jew. Not that it matters, his life time experiences and his mothers views obviously came in useful in later life.

No serious source claims that she was Jewish. Some other conspiracy theorists claim that she was Ukrainian or Lithuanian.

I realize that. I was just pointing out what his status would be according to Jewish law. Of course his mother wasn't Jewish anyway, so it's not really important.

On the other hand, his head covering did look a bit suspicious to me...

popekippah.jpg

lol,thats always puzzled me too,whats with all the catholic dudes in kippah's about :)
but,on the back of that,whats with all the dudes in fedoras and fur lined coats in Israel? Surly they must sweat like the proverbial....eeh,religious garb,aint half funny....

Not only the Pope wears this head cover - so do all the cardinals and the bishops! It quite a big fashion statement in the Vatican. I've always wondered about that, too.
And about that! Is there a summer version?

Actually there is a summer version. They have a lightweight long black jacket for the summers. I was wondering if there is a Polish origin for the "shtreimel" the fur hat worn by hassidic Jews on sabbath and holidays. Some of them (originally from Gora Kalwaria) have fur hats called "spodek". Any information on that?

Spodek means saucer - as in cup and saucer. Which hat is this, though?

That's the round fur hat, usually made of beaver pelts. The Spodek is a taller narrower shape, and the Shtreimel is wider and lower.

shtreimel.jpg

Spodik.jpg

I thought it would be the other way around - that the Spodek would be the lower, wider one which looks more saucer shaped. The names couldn't have been switched around in your source, by any chance?

Santa doesnt look to happy in his new outfit.....maybe rudolf just died?

kaliszer wrote:

(Unlike Christianity and Islam, we don't believe that non-Jews are required to keep the rules of our religion, only the 7 laws of the children of Noah.)

You are Chassidic...well, whatever you believe, shalom.

No, I haven't switched them around. These are well-known terms, and people still wear these hats in certain parts of Israel and in some neighborhoods of New York. But you're right, that one would think that the wide hat is a spodek. My great-grandfather had a workshop in Jerusalem back in the 1920s that manufactured these kind of hats, and my mother remembered helping him as a little girl, matching up the pelts.

I've seen them in London, too.