10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND!

lol if you have his email then it will be my pleasure

Matthias, you can go here and email him:

http://www.pmo.gov.il/PMOEng

Just go to 'Contact Us'.

joe thanks. lol
I can't believe you went through the trouble.
Ill let you know if they respond.

The land of many Jewish and non-Jewish Poles was taken by the Nazis and given to their own people. These Germans also watched the Poles and reported back to Germany.

Kalisher, Im guessing you are Jewish if not please feel free to correct me. Just got a quick question. Do the Jewish people feel that they should be compensated for their loss by Germany or Poland or both?

Just to avoid confusion. There's a Kalisher on the forum now and it's not me. I'm Kaliszer.

About your suggestion that Israel should withdraw form all land captured in 1967 and then, if the palestinians still attack to have the US and Europeans help defend us. First of all: We did withdraw from the Gaza strip, which is geographically separate from the West bank, and then Hamas took over and increased the firing of rockets into Israel (which had occured under the Palestinian Authority as well). I don't think we should take the same chance on the West bank because that region overlooks all of central Israel. Since it is certain that the Palestinians will shoot rockets from there, this means that all of central israel will be running to shelters every day to survive the rockets. No sane country would put themselves in such a situation.

As far as your idea to have the US and Europe help defend us: As an independent country, we don't want anyone else to send their soldiers here. We can manage oursleves. It would be enough that Europe stops criticizing us and threatening boycotts because we try to defend ourselves.

First you didn't withdrawel to ALL previous borders, so Hamas has a pretext to attack. Maybe they don't need a pretext, however Europeans aren't so sure and complete withdrawel would assure them. Listen Israel is never goimg to solve this on its own. If you think so your not being realistic, you needs the worlds help. Listen its difficult to protect yourself from cowards that hide behind innocent people. So sometimes innocents dye and collective punishment is used. But what Israel has been doing its not working. The withdrawel would maybe not please Hamas but it would please the arab world and you need them to end this war.

matthias wrote:

joe thanks. lol
I can't believe you went through the trouble.
Ill let you know if they respond.

No problem, Pan Matthias.

kaliszer wrote:

As far as your idea to have the US and Europe help defend us: As an independent country, we don't want anyone else to send their soldiers here. We can manage oursleves. It would be enough that Europe stops criticizing us and threatening boycotts because we try to defend ourselves.

I am all in favor of this...in fact, the US shopuld immediately suspend all transfer & sale of
military technology to Israel, along with the billions we send every year in 'aid money'...
but, of course, American presidents might be afraid because Israel might choose to use
their 'nuclear option' against us.

This is interesting Russia is putting Germany down for withholding money for Holocaust victims, as they repeat "Jewish"people, yet what has Russia done?


Israel's shame as Holocaust victims die in poverty
About 80,000 Holocaust survivors emigrated to Israel after WW2. Instead of finding ease and opportunity, many discovered only loneliness and grinding poverty. They accuse Israel of failing to give them the compensation paid by Germany. They say millions of dollars that was meant for them has been used to build the country instead.
http://russiatoday.ru/features/news/20150/video

Why do you question what has Russia done? The clip is clearly about Jewish Holocaust survivors being denied cents from the millions raised from the Holocaust propaganda machine. The clip interviewed real survivors, and it should not matter where they from.

I think you fail to see the truth when it hits you.

hehe, I've been gone for a few months, and still this thread goes on! Well done WakeupPoland, you are continuing the fight..

The Israeli's have the rights to come to POLand and take over if they wish because they are the chosen people and they have alot of blood in in POLand thats why POlish people have such large nose's.

not only noses

Poland doesn't owe Israel sh*t, take it up with Germany.....

Did Israel claim anything against the Polish government? I haven't heard of that. What I have heard is that individual jews from Poland have tried to legally retrieve property that was taken away from them violently or was occupied by individual Poles after the war. What could be wrong with that? If there are cases where it's not practical to return ownership of the property then compensation should solve the issue.

Don't expect Israelis to actually move to Poland. It's not going to happen.

once again take it up with Germany, did poles take that land from the jews. No.

jews should get compensation for that but not from poland.

who do you think should compensate them in your opinion?

I'll give you a real example. I have a friend whose father had two houses in Krakow. After the war he found these houses occupied by squatters who moved in assuming the family was killed. He was threatened with violence to make sure he would not press the issue. Not wanting to be killed, he left for Israel. He died in the 80s, never having tried again to reclaim the houses. After the Communist government fell, my friend hired a Polish lawyer to help him reclaim the properties. As it turned out, the houses were held by the Krakow city government, who was collecting rents during all those years. So he worked out a deal where the city kept the rent, but he got back the property. Now he's collecting rents (from rent-protected tenants), and eventually he will sell it. If the buildings had been sold by the city to private hands, then the city would have been obligated to compensate my friend for selling what did not belong to them. Germany did not keep his property, a Polish city government did. There are cases like this all over poland, but "luckily" for the tenants and municipalities, nearly all of the claimants are dead now. Some heirs will make claims, and it is mostly the municipalities that will have to make agreements to close the issue.

This isn't about who is responsible for the holocaust -- that's Germany. This is about what happened to property after the war. Individual Poles and Polish cities have been holding property that is not theirs. These are monetary issues that can be solved case by case.

My grandfather left poland in 1905, so I have nothing to gain or lose by any of this.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that jews should be compensated. However to me the Germans are responsible even though Polish families hold that property. Poland didnt ask for that war. Curious who threatened your friends Grandpa. Those people should be punished, I understand not wanting to give the property back but to threaten your friends Grandpa a victim of the war is horrible. However to me, the Germans caused the whole situation and put your friends Grandpa in the position he is in. To me its more important who is responsible for this mess not who owns the property now.

You are holding the whole country, which isn't yours.

this is how it works and I think we have solved problem between our countries, who survived WWII has his property and everything is ok. who havent survived WWII lost their properties and american family can't take it. and it have been working this way since '89 ... and it is case of about 300 houses. I just think if you will the same with palestinians

Russian's took my family to Siberia, not Germans. My family lived in Kresy and were Roman Catholic.

Good point Gregorsz, Kaliszer do you believe Palatinians shall be compensated for their lost land, if not today sometime in the future? Its a logical question, so please feel free to answer it.

Many Israeli political people have suggested that Palestinians who lost land should be compensated monetarily. That's a possible solution. But on the same token there were an almost equal number of jews who were driven out of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lybia and Algeria who also had their property taken from them. That can all be calculated and let everyone be compensated. That would cost a lot less than wars.

But if the Arab countries really wanted to solve the refugee issue would it have lasted for 60 years?

Obviously don't let other countries stop you from compensating Palatinians, which they deserve. The other arabs if they don't want to compensate jews should have no bearing on you compensating Palatinians.

Side note: Israel has some great people in their government and people in general. However some are border line racist and I would compare them to the neo nazi's parties and peoples in Europe. I see that Israel likes to critize other countries, yet their own house is not in order.

Kosovo Albanians were less diplomatic then those Israelis but NATO offering them separation from Serbia on the silver plate.

Beware Poles. Poland could be next. In these days on Slavic ground, `independent states` grow up like mushrooms after rain.

Beware!

The reason I mention it is that most people don't know that there was an exchange of populations, similar to what happened in Pakistan and india. The only way these jews will ever be compensated is if it's part of a deal to compensate arabs of palestine who lost their homes.

But let me ask you a question: Do you think ethnic Germans who lost land in Poland should be compensated? Probably not, after all the Germans started the war, they should suffer the consequences. Well then why should the Arabs, who started the war to destroy Israel in 1948 in violation of the UN decision to partition the country, be compensated for the war they started? It wasn't Israel who invaded the Arab areas. It was Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and the local Arabs who invaded Israel the day it was founded and also prevented the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state.

But having said all that, I would rather pay compensation that they don't deserve than have endless wars. But who on the other side wants to really sove the refugee problem. If they honestly did I think they would find more than enough money in the Arab world to solve the problem years ago. It's only been festering for 60 years because the Arabs need a problem to blame their failures on. If Israel were to disappear tomorrow, there would still never be a Palestinian state. There would be no need for one. The area would just become part of Jordan, Egypt or Syria. And the "palestinians" would be worse off than ever.

"The only way these jews will ever be compensated is if it's part of a deal to compensate arabs of palestine who lost their homes." that maybe true but that doesn't give Israel the right to hold palatinians compensation hostage to get money from other arabs. Compensate the Palatinians and the rest are bilateral issus with other countries. It wasnt Palatinians that threw you out from your homes in othr countries. You can't link separate issues like that. Israel is notorious for such actions. That's like poland saying it will not compensate Jews till they compensate Palatinians.

Second part, Arabs attacked Israel. Its a question for debate, the holy land was taken away from them by powers who had no right to that land. They were reclaiming land taken away from them. Its not like that land was taken away from arabs 100s of years ago but just 2 years earlier.

If Israel would dissapear tomorrow comment. You might be right, why not be better than the arabs and let have Palatinians have there country. Pre-arab war borders and no more for Israel . You should be happy you even have that considering land was taken away from palatinians.

there is one problem Arabs hate jews and will use first opportunity to kill them and Jews need place to live because they are not the most loved nation on earth.

-Kaliszer

What is Israel proposal ? What do you want to do with palestynians?

I'm not too familiar with why this conflict is occurring, but who was there first? If the palistinians claim that it's their land and the Israelies came there afterwards, what's the arguement? I'd be fighting for my property too. The things they do overthere are inhumane on both sides. Yeah...smart lets counter a suicide bomber with a few rockets...an eye for an eye? Is that how Israel sees it? I can't see any resolution when both sides aren't talking, but playing like angry children.

celinski wrote:

Israel's shame as Holocaust victims die in poverty
About 80,000 Holocaust survivors emigrated to Israel after WW2. Instead of finding ease and opportunity, many discovered only loneliness and grinding poverty. They accuse Israel of failing to give them the compensation paid by Germany. They say millions of dollars that was meant for them has been used to build the country instead.

This is because Jewish leaders steal their own people's money...the Jews are no different from anyone else...if there's an easy buck to be made, they'll take it...remember that the Zionist Jews collaborated with the Nazis (and there were many Nazis who were Jewish)...some of this was done for reasons of personal survival, another reason is that the more fanatical Zionists believed that up to 2/3 of the Jewish
population in Europe was fair game, if this led to the creation of the Zionist state...'holocaust' means 'burnt offering'...in the Bible, there are many instances of the more degenerate of the old Israelite tribes making 'burnt offerings' to the god Molech...as for money, in recent time you have the example of the Bronfman family from Canada, big international Jewish liquor merchants/manufacturers and gangsters, extorting billions from Swiss banks, claiming this money belonged to 'holocaust' victims/survivors...none of this money ever went to poor Jews, it remains in Bronfman bank accounts, and the Swiss refused to cough up any more cash.

There's a basic misunderstanding here. What we had since 1948 was not taken from the palestinians. There was no Arab country or nation called Palestine, ever. That area of the world was part of the Ottoman empire for hundreds of years. Before that it was the cusaders, other muslim empires, byzantines, romans and before that -- the Jews. We had the land from about 3000 bc and continued living there in large numbers after the Roman destruction till about 300 AD. After that there was always a Jewish community there and it was always connected with diaspora communities.

In the 19th century the people who lived in the area between the Jordan river and the sea were mostly Muslims, Arabs and others, but also many Jews, Christians and various minorities. The Jewish element increased during the 19th century and began building towns and industries, which attracted more immigration of Arabs from surrounding regions. From the Ottoman and Arab points of view, these areas were a part of the districts of Beirut, Damascus and Jerusalem. Thinking of the "Holy Land" as a separate entity was a Jewish and Christian perception, influenced by Jewish history and by the Bible. The growing increase in Jewish population occured in the context of the Ottoman empire and not within some couintry called "palestine". It was only called "palestine" when the british took over after WWI. They may not have had a right to rule this region, but they took it from the Ottomans, not the Arabs. The Arabs were actually allies of the british and at first had no problem with the idea of jews building a national home there. But during that period, Arabs started developing a national conciousness too, and that came into conflict with the growing jewish national movement. In 1947, in order to resolve the conflicting claims over the land, the UN voted to divide the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews founded Israel. The Arabs did NOT found "Palestine". Jordan and Egypt took over what they cound and tried to take over the Jewish state too. We fought back and took what we could from them, seeing as they rejected the compromise idea anyway and tried to wipe us off the map. The arab controlled west bank and gaza were never set up as a palestinian state but were occupied by Jordan and Egypt. When they attacked Israel from there in 1967 we took it from them - not from the palestinians, who were never an independent entity.

We did not take a country away from the palestinians. They never had one. They could have had one in 1948, but they were more concerned with destroying ours than with building theirs.