10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND!

terrorism is an effect not the cause.

Yes the cause is that people do not know how to deal with anger, and the effect is terrorism.



that's like me committing terrorist attacks in Russia or Germany for their invasion of Poland that caused Poland to lose a large part of their land after ww2.... I don't see a difference do you?

and the anger is brought on by a 'theft.' i believe once the wrong is righted terrorism will cease to exist.

I have to disagree, the terrorists anger towards Israel is so strong that they want to punish Israel just as much as they want to create a Palastinian state.. the terrorists want both, getting their land won't be enough until they feel Israel has been punished. it will take generations after the creation of a Palastinian state for the attacks to cease..

Like any other serious problem issue of compensations is not easy to solve. Discussion like this is helpful as it allows for various ideas to be aired, not that it leads to solutions, but one can hope that it filters to the decisionmakers or advisors.
Here is one of these for what it is worth (as it is free its worth just as much). The whole problem was not caused by an independent Polish government neither by its people. Land and property would not stay vacant. Even if it would it will be confiscated for not payment of taxes. For whatever the reason prior owners were not claiming it (neither they did pay taxes nor maintained it). I will suggest that in these cases they should be requesting to be compensated by those who caused the whole problem. It is similar to the case of liability for property damage.
There were, I can imagine, some cases where Polish government expelled some people for no good reason and gave them no time to dispose their property or illegally confiscated it – than the gov should compensate owners. In cases where owners run away from the dangerous neighbours I will suggest courts should decide, but since owners did not expressed any interest for a long time the property can e considered abandoned.
Here is something to consider: would any compensation be awarded either in individual or group the funds should go to the pool from which all similar compensations should be paid. One would expect the Palestinians should be compensated for their losses as well. There will be a problem of proof of ownership, specially in the poorly administered regions, but these are solvable.
In ancient times wars were ending by killing all adult population of the loosing side - problem solved. Germans were allowed to live , but since they were allowed to survive as Germans they should be doomed to live in perpetual agony (only those who are able to think, rest basks in glory of past power and present achievements).

Its all about deals for you guys isn't it....???

How do you feel about the ILLEGAL jewish settlers taking land which is not theirs?

Stop pretending its even on the Agenda. Even if there are a moral few who have made such declaration, there is no way its going to happen. You know it and I know it, stop trying to deceive the forum.



Jews have been kicked out from many lands throughout History. Remember the rivers of Babylon ??? This is nothing new. Ever wondered why so many peeoples throughout so many ages have outcasted Jews ?

Below list may be useful to you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism
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You always defend your Israel's wrongdoing by attacking other country's who have done similar.




You created the damn problem and you want to blame other countries for not fixing it. They are all american zionist puppets anyway...so they are totally incapable of lifting a finger. When they turn on you like Saddam did they get invaded.

Kalizser, I love the way you keep trying to deceive the forum....why don;t you quote stats dating before 1940.... You are quoting figures of a time when Palestine had already been chosen by Rothschilds and indeed accelerated the population into the new state from East Europes had already been begun.

There were 56,000 Jews and about a million Palestinians in Palestine at the end of WW1.

Also does the forum know that Zionist leaders at the time actually refused to let some of their Jewish brethren enter into America & Britain (America was by far the preferred choice for the fleeing German & East European Jewry) escaping from the clutches of Hitler. These people were given a choice: either to perish or go to Palestine:


Its important for me to quote John Rose (he still writes for the Guardian newspaper in UK) from his 1986 book: "Israel: The Hijack State."
You can read this book in 1 night and it will give you a real insight into the creation of Israel (the real deal not what CNN or Kalizser might want you to read)
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In 1938 a British scheme was floated to at least allow entry to Britain of several thousand German Jewish children. (Ironically, this scheme owed its origins to the magnificent Palestinian revolt in 1936. It was seen as a means of taking pressure off renewed Jewish emigration to Palestine as a short-term concession to the Arabs.) Ben-Gurion opposed the plan, revealing only too clearly the obscenity at the heart of the Zionist enterprise.

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Ah, I don't know exactly what happened...all the information isn't what I have read.

That last quote, shows to me that this is much disgusting thought by John Rose; I'd rather the children be alive, no matter what country.

I find this uncomfortable, to really talk about. Why? One book, one night is NOT enough information to inhale, and make a judgement! Isn't 'Zionist' now racist?

People are people.

I wonder is, why they didn't try and claim the properties 10 years ago?

ZIONIST!! HAHAHAHA OMG I JUST ALMOST DIED OF LAUGHTER! Dude if the jews want it they prolly will get it! Israel is more of a world power than poland they have a very good military and nuclear defense system! DON'T **** WITH THE JEWS!!! They r crafty alot of the smartest friends i have are jewish!

oh thank you, will treat it as a compliment lol

Guardian is a leftist British tabloid. This is very characteristic for the left, one hardly can predict mental winds of their intellectual elites. Once they create atmosphere of philo-Semitic hysteria and chasing people who dared to criticize Jews or Israel. Few years later the same people compare the Jews to Nazis. During quite short period of time they are capable to be on two radically different positions.



This world have nothing to do with racism. Vast majority of the Jews are Zionists. Small group of anti-Zionist Jews is considered by the rest to be lunatics.

Tosser,leftie yep,Tabloid,hardly......flump.

yes,thats a classic definition of INTELIGENCE,unlike right wing dogma......

Jews have always been thieves. They elevate thievery to religious status. It's very sick. Actually, they even proscribe death for any non-jew who reads the Talmud.



It's in their book, the Talmud.

Here's a sampling:




Talmud, Sanhedrin (1935). Soncino Edition. 76a. p.470.
Talmud, Sanhedrin (1935). Soncino Edition. 57a. p.388.
Talmud, Baba Kamma. (1935). Soncino Edition. 37b.

I have just arrived, and I find a topic full of ... topical ideas, preconceptions, prejuices, and simple contamination.

No mention to the definition of The Guardian as "tabloid". I agree: In UK we do have serious right press like, let's say, Daily Express and The Sun. Isn't them? Well, fortunatelly The Sun only talks about David Beckham and doesn't criminalise the migration.

Ehm... coming back to the lead of the topic, morally any israley who had to flee from Europe in the 30's and the 40's has the right to claim what it was theirs.

Is not a secret that the jews, coming back to their home homes in 45-46 they were denied to use their own properties: The catholics never had this problem, so nothing about the new communist regime in there. Plain antisemitism.

Now this people have the chance to ask for a citizenship and for compensation. Of course they should do, and of course we should be proud of Poland if they get it.

Of course, that is just my personal idea.

Regards,

Jorge

This flip flopping is alway linked with hysteria. These are everything but reasonable stands.



Maybe you did not heard that Poland lost half of territory after WWII and a lot of Poles were expelled?

Yes we have had this prob. the differance is the "Roman Catholic" were, dead, exilied or silenced by communist Poland. Look at the statistics and the truth is Polish were the target, not Jewish. Jewish were not in the same position as Poles and could speak out. I wish they included all of us in the "Holocaust"et people see this as a Jewish victimisation.

Being from eastern Poland, Stalin sent my family to Siberia to slave and die. Deadline for the compensation on this group is Dec. 2008. We were forgotten and are now able to come forward and speak.

Here is just one artical about a forgotten.

The Ossowskis are Polish non-Jews, a category often forgotten

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/178224.html

“Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don't care.”...........
Ariel Ben Sharon,Prime Minister Defense Minister, Housing Minister, State of Israel




This is the kind of emotion & thinking that one must deal with regarding Israel...the big danger for the world, of course is their arsenal of WMDs...You see, when the 'allies' went into Iraq to search for Saddam's supposed WMDs, they were looking in the wrong country.

Dont be daft celinski,if catholic poles were all dead and exiled...er,who da fek do you think lives there,frikkin eskimos?

Statistic don't lie, majority of Polish are Catholic, 40% of Poland was gone when Communist Poland took over, all Jewish, I don't think so.

An exert from the conservativevoice.com

The Republic of Turkey has denied the Armenian Genocide for the past 84 years, and politicians in Israel and a vast majority of officials of Jewish Diaspora are aboard their boat now. In the USA, for example, the Jewish Anti-Defamation League (ADL) not only denied the Armenian Genocide in the past but also actively fought against the Congressional Resolution for the Recognition of the Armenian Genocide. At the end of August 2007, the ADL finally recognized the Armenian Genocide through gritted teeth.


What hypocrites, how would Jews feel if Armenians fought to deny the Holocust.....

The above is a short sampling of some of the garbage that floats around this forum, along wth Jopilsudski's made up quotes. Until now, I really enjoyed exchanging views in this forum. Even if i disagreed with much of what was said, I recognize that a controversial issue is bound to arouse passions and I was not offended by people who argue againt my views. I tried to state my case without being insulting and sticking to logic and stating the facts as I understand them. I hope that even if you disagreed with me, that I've opened up your minds to the other side of the story and that you are more aware now of the Jewish and Israeli viewpoints.

But frankly I don't enjoy it any more. There's too much hateful garbage floating around the forum, and this is apparently not the place to carry on a serious discussion. So this is it. I'm out of here. Let me just leave you with this reminder: Much of what you think you know about Jews, our religion, our characteristics, our attitudes and our country has almost no connection with reality. You're seeing us through the prism of what reporters, politicians and interested parties want you to see. Look for the truth. Visit Israel. See for yourself.

Goodbye.

Oy ! Give me a break, you will be back in 3 days.

OH PLEASE!! Your rational mind has worked out that this forum is not full of the sheep you are normally used to duping with your distortion of facts & figures, your playing of the victim, your disregard of your neighbours; so you have decided to continue your ANTI DEFAMATION LEAGUE (ADL) work somewhere else where it may be more effective.

Because we will not be duped and start feeling sorry for you have decided to declares us all hostile, garbage, and liars. This is the treatment that only people who speak the truth get.

Before you go I would like to know why you never addressed any of my questions to you ? You simply 'sidestepped the issues that i bought up? why ?

As your legacy to this thread let me provide the forum your own quote which reveals what you really think about us Poles:

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APOLOGIES GREG...CORRECTION BELOW:

KALIZSER (not Greg) wrote:
But frankly I don't enjoy it any more. There's too much hateful garbage floating around the forum, and this is apparently not the place to carry on a serious discussion. So this is it. I'm out of here. Let me just leave you with this reminder: Much of what you think you know about Jews, our religion, our characteristics, our attitudes and our country has almost no connection with reality. You're seeing us through the prism of what reporters, politicians and interested parties want you to see. Look for the truth. Visit Israel. See for yourself.

Celinski is correct, as far as I'm concerned. My family is Roman Catholic, and many of my family members were FORCIBLY tossed out of their homes by the Nazis, so the Nazis had a nice, comfy place to sleep, and control Poland.

Many of my family members died in Auschwitz, and they were Roman Catholic! I have lists, and some died saving Jews from the Nazis, as it was a death penalty to do so.

The Nazis wanted to destroy the Polish - they didn't care about us at all! We were there, simply to feed their propaganda machine.

Unfortunately, I don't see any information on this coming from any reputable paper. And if there were 10,000 people coming to reclaim land, perhaps it's counting everyone who's filing paperwork before the deadline - not just one group.

I detest racism, at any level. Grew up with it, thought it was over for most of the world. Seeing it on this forum makes me want to puke.

We were eastern Poland and Stalin's victims, not to mention "Katlyn", military reserve.

If you look at first page on the post there a link to the original article in the Jeruslem Post. Obviously they are not going to all appear on our doorstep all at once.

The point is should people who are now Israeli citizens they have the right to claim back the land that their parents or grandparents had before they fled.

The main issues are:

1) Do they have a right ?
2) If Yes ? What if the land their ancestors once lived on is now inhabited by families ? It is very unlikely that the land is unoccupied. Should these Polish familes pay some strange family compensation for no reason ? Should they leave their home and welcome their newfound Israeli friends to occupy their house ?
3) If their land is now state owned should it be released to them? This will then be at the cost of tax-payers money.

4) Or Should we say: NO. What happened was a result of war and during wartime. During war many many bad things happen: rape, murder, torture. These people were lucky enough to actually flee from the war. How fortunate is that? Why can't they just count their lucky eggs and let it be instead of hiring lawyers to make claims for something which is no longer theirs.





What are your thoughts Julie ?

wakeup like to add, a war that the Nazis and Soviets started not Poland....

if anybody should pay compensation, it is those who started the war...