10,000 ISRAELIS READY TO CLAIM FOR POLISH CITIZENSHIP AND POLISH LAND!

Do I sound hostile? I love Poland.
But enough about me...

You're from Gdansk, right? And you are part german. Does that mean that you are descended from the germans of Danzig when it was a german city?

Well, somebody asking questions like "Why are you Poles so anti-Semitic" doesn't sounds too friendly.

One of my grandmothers was German from Danzig.

I don't remember writing that. But anyway, I know that many Poles are not. I've spoken to Poles who are wonderful friendly people and they knew I was Israeli. But you have to admit that historically there was hostility, as there was in germany, lithuania, ukraine, russia, rumania, hungary.... Poland is spoken of more because that's where there were the most Jews (10% of the population). I'm not saying you are to blame for what people did back then, but let's be honest about history.

kaliszer wrote:

but let's be honest about history.

Yes, let's be honest...it takes two to tango!...the Jews weep & wail about WWII, but yet the subject of the genocide of, what, 10-20 million Russian & Ukranian Christians and
peasants by the JEWISH bolsheviks is never mentioned by Jews...why is that?...let's be honest!

Pilsudski,
Using the phrase "The Jewish Bolsheviks" is demagoguery. The bolsheviks were anti-Jewish.
There were Polish communists too. So why don't you talk about "The Polish Bolsheviks".

There were Jewish communists who did terrible things. But they did them despite the fact that they were born Jewish, not because they were Jewish. Jewish communists were atheists who left the Jewish religion and broke away from their communities. People who remained Jews were persecuted by the communists. The communists dismantled jewish community organizations and sent the leaders to siberia. Then they forced three generations of Jews to abandon their way of life and assimilate. Stalin was a butcher who killed every ethnic group and even his wife. Some of his henchmen were ex-Jews and many more were ex-christians. "The Jews" as a group had nothing to do with starvation in ukraine. Individual Jews who were involved with stalin were all killed by him later. They were not mourned by the Jewish community.

kaliszer wrote:

Using the phrase "The Jewish Bolsheviks" is demagoguery. The bolsheviks were anti-Jewish.
There were Polish communists too. So why don't you talk about "The Polish Bolsheviks".

This is not demogoguery...this is just the truth...the Bolshevik revolution was Jewish funded, led by Jews, and extracted Talmudic vengeance from the Russian and Ukranian peoples...Lenin was Jewish, Trotsky was Jewish and on and on...there were Polish communists, too, but most were Jewish...Communism is a Jewish invention, starting with
Karl Marx...please deny this.

Lenin was Jewish?! Talmudic vengeance? Funded by Jews? You're spouting paranoid nonsense lifted from crackpot websites. Not worth answering.

Goodnight

kaliszer wrote:

Lenin was Jewish?! Talmudic vengeance? Funded by Jews? You're spouting paranoid nonsense lifted from crackpot websites. Not worth answering.

Please, read the words of Winston Churchill on the nature of the Bolshevik revolution...
as far as Lenin goes, his father was Jewish, he was funded and supported by Jewish money from Germany, Britain and the US, and his children and wife spoke Yiddish...also
read about the murder of the Czar's family, and who did it...don't be afraid of history...
after all, haven't we heard about the Holocaust for years now...well, that was one of many Holocausts of the 20th Century....a short list of some Bolshevik leaders:

topix.com/forum/world/israel/TRGFNN9U3RJ2SPR99/p2

I admit it. I killed the Czar. I also killed Jesus. I killed Kennedy too, and also Julius Caesar. I really got to stop doing stuff like that.

Bolshevicks were not only Jewish for sure. However there were a lot of ethnic Jews among leaders of revolution is Russia. (according to my sources Lenin was not a Jew) Those Jews caused for sure more harm to people than those few Poles who collaborated with Nazis. I don't buy this argument that they were not religious. We hear often Jews complaining about Polish crimes and they never analyze whether those who committed it were really Catholic or not. Media rise often Polish question but they never talk about Jewish faults.



Trotsky was married with daughter of Wall-Street banker. Most of Wall-Street and "120-Broadway" bankers were Jewish emigrants from Russia. They were supposed to help Bolsheviks in revolution to take over control of Russian oil fields from Czar. (So, there is not Zionist motivation here, while Bolsheviks were internationalist)

This is what my source says about this subject. However this book is about French revolution and just one chapter analyze influence of the latter on events in Russia. So, Wall-Street issue was just mentioned aside. Author refers to A.C. Sutton "Wall-Street and the Bolshevik revolution" and H. Coston "Les financiers qui menent le monde". I would need to read something more to have personal opinion.

I think that the difference would be that it is possible to be Polish without believing in the Catholic god but a Jew who doesn't believe in the Jewish god is very simply not a Jew, just as a person who doesn't believe in the Muslim god is very simply not a Muslim.

"Jewishness" is not about religion, this is ethnic origin. Judaists are more that only ethnic Jews. I have seen in other forum two American Jews arguing over this issue. If we would call "Jewish" only those religious people then for example:

- Nazis would not kill about 6 millions of Jews (plenty of non-believers don't count )
- Number of Jews in Poland would be VERY small because few of them attend to synagogues according to statistics.
- A lot of non-believers whom consider themselves Jewish would be wrong

'Muslim' refers clearly to the religion.

In response to Lesser's posting, it would appear to be true that 'Jewishness' is about ethnic origin but I don't agree with the Nazi point. Many Nazi officers were merely carrying out orders, cogs in the wheel if u will, under heavy pressure from Hitler. Sure, not all had a gun directly pointed at their head, but many had limited discretion. It was an absolute philosophy that had to be executed with precision, often kill or be killed. For more info on this, read the Eichmann case which was part of my International Criminal Law module, very interesting. Also, read the Nuremberg trials with the testimonies of the likes of Hess who could tell at least some of the truth without the threat of Hitler murdering him

I wonder about that...

What about converts? You can't convert to another ethnie!
You find white Jews, brown Jews, slavic Jews, germanic Jews, even black Jews....

I think they are a Religion, not an ethnie!

And that the Nazis opressed them as a race....well...you won't believe everything the Nazis told, won't you?

It's very hard to convert to Judaism and many of them still wouldn't accept converts as real Jews.

They are for ex. black Jews but they aren't converts, they are one of "lost tribes".

Those religious are Judaists. Except black Judaists, the rest rather have the same ethnic origin. (I'm not 100% sure)



Tell this to millions of non-believers, those who consider themselves Jewish! :)

A religion must have a doctrine, Hebrew has one but Jews of various denominations don't have. They have ethnicity. But both Bratwurst Boy and Lesser are right in a way. U have dark Swedes also but that doesn't make them a religion

No there are 3 main groups: Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Oriental. The first one are those, who used to live in Europe, the 2nd are those from North Africa and the Middle East and 3rd are from Africa and India.

Back to the question, how would Mr Tusk handle this situation? The debate has been raging for many years as to Israel's entitlement to occupy their territory, and force has been used to defend it. One wonders how Poland would contest the right of Jews to live in Poland based on bloodlines/genealogy

I heard about this division, however I don't know whether they all origin from one ancient ethnic group (or more) and were divided in this way already when they spread all over the world.

Eh, the question?

I'm not sure but If you look at them It looks like genetically they should be completely different.



What do you mean ? They can live here without any problems.

If they would proof that their parents or grandparent were citizens of Poland then I think they would got the citizenship.

It's not so easy. I heard that only about 1/3 of Israelits trying to get Polish citizenship actually got It.

They lived in different climate conditions through the centuries among different cultures. Perhaps this could explain this at least partially.

OK, Jews can live here as of right but if 10,000 claimed land that was contentious then the Polish govt would surely have sth 2 say about it. In the interests of due process, I guess that Polish courts would have no choice but to hear out their claims. It shouldn't be unduly problematic as Poland has a land mass probably 3 times that of Britain's who have accommodated 800,000 Poles so 10,000 shouldn't rattle too many cages

That's happening all the time no matter what ethnic group the person represent.

- Of course not. And it should always be countered with another question, a very pertinent one: 'Why are many of you Jews so virulently Polonophobic?'

And why on earth some of you gang up with German Polonophobes to attack the Poles?

The Jewish Polonophobia is a fact.

Yes indeed, we Polish people have quite a few enemies, but I firmly believe great changes are coming in the world which will result in a complete downfall of our foes and our becoming truly free and safe after over 200 years of oppression. Our bad destiny is coming to en end; our foes' bad destiny is about to affect them very painfully. I would be a liar if I said this upcoming fulfillment of the book is not joyfully anticipated by me. I've seen enough of mistreatment of my people by all sorts of thugs. We're emerging from this clean and morally victorious; they are going hopelessly down. I'll live long enough to see the great finale.
:)

Polish courts should honestly analyze evidence that they provide.



All of those people for sure don't want to settle here. Probably this is mostly about money. Even most of those who want Polish passport, in fact need it only to go westwards.

- And how do you know this? - Personally, I don't mind folks from Israel, or from anywhere else, settling in Poland, as long as they remain loyal to Poland.