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Thank you! I see what you meant now.

To Krazy Kazu, fair enough, Poland is steeped in history and traditions and I personally wouldn't like to see too many more foreigners here but u have to look at the rights of people. We are not talking large numbers coming into Poland. In Britain, esp in Scotland, we have accepted many Poles which has raised awareness of your culture and, in the process, has heightened curiosity. It would be unfair to be overly strict on Brits and other countries to turn them away due to an ostensibly NS agenda

Do you consider the ones that had to leave a country they loved as foreigners. We are not able to return, I believe Poland is going to give the eastern families 15% of their property value, not their homes (now Ukraine). Carol

I would prefer to treat that as a separate case, they are not who I had in mind. I was thinking about FREEDOM of movement more, those who can

That make some sense but the problem here is that once some Jews achieve something (Nobel prize for example) yours of course treat them as "one of us" even If they are completely atheistic.



Looks like Polonophobia is so deep inside of you that you don't even realize It anymore.

I wouldn't be so quick to call it Polonophobia as let's not forget July 4, 1946, when 40 Jews were killed by a Polish mob but the church and police just looked on. Poles were also blamed for not helping out Jews in Warsaw but I wouldn't blame them for this. Who, in their right mind, would put themself in front of a German gun/in the line of fire? I also know that Poles had some good reasons to distrust/dislike Jews who were wholesalers/sellers. As said in the novel Cal (Bernard McLaverty), 'there are bad buggers on both sides'. This was in reference to Protestants and Catholics

whats that got to do with the AK,they had disbanded and were on the run from the nkvd and lwp at that time.
Sure,the AK may have had its share of anti semites,but realy,who cares,this wasnt exactly ilegal but was never the less far from home army policy. How many catholic Poles did the "jewish partizans" in the east roast alive? Have a look at the Beilski brothers and tell me they wernt blood thirsty butchers,It wouldnt surprise me if a few inocent jews were killed in reprisal against those traitors. Before you start throwing wild acusations of anti semitism around regarding the AK it would do you all good to read up a litlle on the subject and you may also discover a large percentage of AK comand were jewish/part jewish. Always conviniently forgoton by those descendents of the extreme left wing Polish Jews who set up the state of isreal by terrorism them communist style collective farms.

In eastern Poland Jewish and Ukraine pointed out Polish military family and even assited in arrest/deportation. We shall not go into other actions of Jewish in Ukraine after the majority of Poles were gone. Read the book, "The dark side of the moon".

The Dark Side of the Moon is unique both in its content and time of publication (1946). Begun in 1943, its author, Zoe Zajdlerowa, had access to the official records of the Polish government-in-exile. She, however, wished to remain anonymous, perhaps out of a need to protect relatives in communist Poland. With a comment by Helena Sikorska, widow of General Wladyslaw Sikorski, and a preface by T. S. Eliot, the book covers the essentials of the history of Polish-Soviet relations until shortly after the end of the Second World War, including the formation and installation of the communist Lublin Government. It also depicts in moving language the trials faced by those Poles imprisoned, those condemned to a camp in the Gulag, as well as those simply deported. The political currents underlying the Soviet actions toward Poland as well as the formation of the Polish army under General Anders and of the Polish-Soviet Berling Army are also described. The book thereby gives a comprehensive overview of the fate of Poland from 1939 to 1945.


Isthatu, what on earth did you eat for Christmas dinner?

Carol

Carol, with respect this is from one person's point of view and we have to be careful when talking about history and people's interpretation of it.



In Kurów, near Puławy my wife's grandmother was a nurse for the Polish underground in the Second World War, and told a story of 23 Jews that were given up by the local people to protect themselves.
What I am trying to say is you never know what you will do in that situation to protect your family, and it is too easy for us to apportion blame looking back from our modern comfortable world.

My wife's grandmother was also given up by local people because she was a single woman and had a wounded Polish soldier in her house and some locals disapproved of this because of a single woman and man in the living in the same house together.
She spent the next 18 months in Majdanek concentration and extermination camp, standing in line each morning waiting for the tap on her shoulder that meant it was her time to die.

Luckily that tap never came!!

But she went back to the village of Kurów after the war and found the person who gave her up and asked her why.
The woman had a young child who was very ill and needed medicine and it was the only way that she could find a way to get the medicine.
My wife's grandmother asked if it saved the child and the woman replied it did, and my wife's grandmother said it was worth it then.
We only found out this story last year after her death, because she would never talk about the reason she was sent to Majdanek to protect the woman's family, and the woman told my wife's family after the funeral.

As I said it is too easy to blame people from the past nowadays without knowing all the facts, and books can only act as a guide, but never take them as fact because too often they are tainted by a person’s experience.

LOL,bearing in mind who the avatar pic actualy is I could make a sick joke,but I wont :)
(disclaimer,I have no love of Idi Amin Dada,but it is a cool pic from a very good film,"last king of Scotland" ,rent it now..)

Actually the book is a story no one likes to see. My grandfather was in reserve's in eastern Poland. My family was arrested in March of 1940 . Do you know what it's like being a Catholic Pole yet all we hear is Jewish Pole? Respectfully, Carol

So were many!!

And this is nothing special as many were.

I have heard nothing else but painful stories from Catholic Pole's about their experiences during and after the second world war, and then their suffering through the communist times first hand.
Not all of them had the opportunity to escape to America you know and live a life of luxury compared to the one's that stayed.

"Life of Luxury", Please think, this life you describe is just what communist Poland wanted you to believe. No it was not what you were told. What remained of the family (wife, two daughter and one son died) had no choice but to flee. You see "enemy's of the state" were killed if they stayed in Poland. To go to USA you had to prove you had means to support yourself. Try getting off a boat and you can't understand a word anyone is saying. An educated man that does not yet read or write English, work was farming and construction. Not easy jobs when you live with pain from war wounds.

At 51 my Grandfather lost everything he fought his whole life for. No one gave him a thing in the USA. His country he loved and put his life on the line for was gone. No, his farm in eastern Poland was not replaced in the USA. WW1's hero that fought and won independance for Poland "miracle at Wisla" front line. WW2's Ander Army, betrayed again. This utopia you speak of was just that. If the family's you talk of are out there I would love to hear from them. Carol, USA

All of history is based on an accumulation of single views, so one person’s interpretation of history is as good as another’s and adds to the general information. There is also the obvious usefulness of having different points of view – this is the basis for a real understanding of any situation.
The fact that someone cites just one source doesn’t mean that there aren’t other sources mirroring the same view. If every person here quoted every single source from where they have gathered information there would be no discussion in this Forum – just endless lists of links and sources.


Indeed very many were, but who knows of them? This is the whole problem, surely, that there are those who are constantly lamented and “First Class Victims” while others are dismissed as “nothing special” - and the “nothing specials” appear to come from the Polish Catholic group, as a rule!


Escape? These people didn’t escape – they were arrested and deported.

celinski wrote:

Actually the book is a story no one likes to see. My grandfather was in reserve's in eastern Poland. My family was arrested in March of 1940 . Do you know what it's like being a Catholic Pole yet all we hear is Jewish Pole? Respectfully, Carol

Actually, Cardinal Wojtyla was one of the biggest offenders in this regard, when he caved into Jewish pressure and removed the crosses placed at Oswiecem by the nuns, as a memorial to the Catholics who were killed there.

"Holocaust" = Jewish victims, why did they leave our families out?

Carol

celinski wrote:

"Holocaust" = Jewish victims, why did they leave our families out?

Because Polish families are not Jews...the majority of Poles love Wojtyla/John Paul II for
what he did for Poland in the fight against Communism, but there were many factors involved...Wojtyla apparently had great sympathy for, and/or was influenced by Jewish
elements...his mother was reportedly a Jewish woman from Lithuania.

Can we once and for all put this to bed,Poland did not exist in WW1.Polish independance day was 11/11/18,the same day WW1 ended. What you will find,but maybe not like to admit,is that if he did fight in WW1 it would have been either with the Russians or the Germans/Austrians.A tiny legion fought in France on the "right" side,but that was it.The battle on the Vistula had no part in WW1 at all,period.

http://wielkidzwonek.webpark.pl/

Yes,no one doubts Pilsudskis greatness,but,he fought for the Austro Hungarians in WW1, Polands fate was not in Polish hands untill 11/11/18 when Germany was ordered to pull out and "russia" was tearing itself apart in a civil war. The "cud na wisla" was in the Soviet /Polish war,a totaly seperate war from WW1.

Carol, if you feel so strong about your past then sell up and come home.
You seem to have a big chip on your shoulder and you should lay this past to rest and get over it and start living a modern Poland as most Poles are.
What good can come from going over old hurt making yourself feel bad all the time?
As I said my wife's family have more then their average share of crap in the second world war and through the communist times, but what do they do, they pick themselves up, dust themselves down and get on with life and try again, and will keep on trying as the Polish spirit has proofed throughout history.
Respect to you carol, but you really should move on :O)

If they were arrested most of them wouldn't have the opportunity of being "deported".
And no Polish people were deported to the USA, they fled to the USA, because the other choice as you said would be arrest.

you are not going to find more Jewish European nation than Poles , just look on Pilsudski life partner Ola or on Agnieszka Holland and in some places it was popular to mix as to anty semitism in Poland before WWII, bright side won (Pilsudski fraction)
and Polish Jews are mix of European Jews.

medianet.pl/~naszapol/IMG/0504rog4.jpg

what we can do, we are Jews OMG :(((( ;-) better not think

after lecture of all "Jewish threads" on this forum I m disappoited and annoyed. No body have noticed that Polish Jews are Jews form western countries who found Poland good place to live. This maps are better. We have a lot of Jewish blood in our nation. What is nationality of those all Jewish commies ? POLISH ! because most of them are atheists but they have Jewish origin. What is more there were regions and parts of our history when mixing between Poles and Jews was popular.

what about those Jewish survivors killed in "pogroms". Jews seam not to see that the most important offices in apparatures of oppresion in commie regime were occupied by Jews. So some of famous pogroms were inspirated by Jews, ekhmmm commies they were not jews any more !!! enourmosly big Jewish representation in commie regime offices (unproporcjonal) is fact. Of course not all jews collaborated with commies but their role was noticable. When I read realigous Jews opinion about Polish anty semitism before WWII it is noticable that they compare Poles to Austrians in XIX century, according to Krakow or Lwów it is prove of colaboration with another occupant of Poland. Generaly they had opportunity to taste Austrinas during WWII ekhmmm wasnt Hitler Austrian ? yes he was ... I think it is very good that there is country like Israel those Jews who feel Jews have place to live in Israel. Polish citizens who have Jewish origin but prefere to be Poles can live here peacefuly and situation we have now is great.

and I send best wishes foe our Friends in Israel HAPPY NEW YEAR NA ZDROWIE ^ ^

I’m speaking of the Poles who were arrested by the Soviets, locked in cattle trains and deported to Siberia, etc. This wasn’t re-location of people out of harms way, this was a punishment for being bourgeoisie hence “corrupters of the people”. Many of them belonged to the families of those men who would be shot in Katyn and other places of mass execution.
Once the war was over and Poland’s fate sealed, the survivors of this mass deportation who had, in the meantime, been moved West via Iran, couldn’t go back to Poland because of the Soviet presence there. Very often those who would not resign themselves to a life abroad and insisted on returning to Poland simply disappeared without trace somewhere en route. They never got back home. They were never seen again.
However, there is a load of information about these people all over this Forum. If you are interested in their fate perhaps you could take a look at the other relative threads.

There is no need my friend I know the history :O)
My point was that no one was deported to the USA from Poland.

Although blind glorification of this person among polish society is huge, still large group of people don't have too much of sympathy for him.

Who on earth ever said that anybody was deported to the USA?

Hmmmm, must have got that one wrong then, could of sworn I saw it somewhere, apologises :O)