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Is it true that the Other Race person is always the more attractive?


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LoneStranger
  Apr 27, 07, 05:46  #61

Quoting: sparrow
everyone would see the world like you, it'd be a better place. :-)

Then why dont you? You dont want it to be a better place?...

However...many people around me see the world as one...and also humanity as one.

Quoting: sparrow
I suggest a visit to your local library or university center, look for the "Antropology" or just consult Wiki.

I have done a few times. Wikipedia is the last place I would like to consult. It is a very weak encyclopedia indeed. For many reason, which I dont want to keep typing on and on. If you have enough common sense, you would realise yourself.

Quoting: sparrow
Ever filled in your profile on a dating site?

Is that your ultimate source of confidence, that finally you can say yourself as a caucasian...because probably you are a Persian? ... If the white supremecy believers are wrong doers... then darker people who desperately try to proove themselves as white also equal wrong doers. Such people constantly assure that White Is The Only Right. Such people are also equally racist.

However...
There are certain dating sites which 'Middle Eastern' terms aswell. Although it is true... there is none with 'Polish' or 'Iranian' race, there is the 'East Indian' race. I think, and Iranian should click on the 'East Indian' race, and a Polish shouldnt think twice before clicking on the Caucasian option.

If Iran has anything common in this world with anybody... then it is North India and Afghanistan. HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THIS!...Being the wise man you are!

If you must INSIST on your wikipedia...

Please read here (and article from you trusted ally):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-India_relations

Also have a look what I found for you :) :
indiran.co.uk

Anyways... I once read a book in our local library about Indo-Iranian history... etc. So I felt I should point this out :) . I dont have any intention to break you dream.


In Europe however... there is South European, North European, East European and West European. To a Persian or an Indian we might all look the same :) ... but to us... we can differ in appearence ;).

I have one friend to whom all East Asians look alike! ... however...I am sure that a Chinese can distinguish between another Chinese and a Japanese.

Have a nice day... and chill :up: :)

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LoneStranger
  Apr 27, 07, 05:48  #62

Quoting: marek_canada
but that opposites attract more for other reasons?

I think the best explanation is...'Love dont see barriers!' ... and Love is too precious to loose because of barriers aswell!

And then... a human is a human at the end of a day!

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sparrow
Edited by: sparrow  Apr 27, 07, 06:48  #63

Quoting: LoneStranger
Then why dont you? You dont want it to be a better place?...

Of course I do. I don't know how to explain this in English, in my "mind" "figuratively" I see people as one. But if you look at it from a distance, we must admit there are differences. Those differences don't have to hold us back to make it better though of course.

Quoting: LoneStranger
I have done a few times. Wikipedia is the last place I would like to consult. It is a very weak encyclopedia indeed. For many reason, which I dont want to keep typing on and on. If you have enough common sense, you would realise yourself.


Well I find that hard to believe, since if you did, you'd know that what I explained about race is exact.

About Wikipedia: You are wrong when saying Wikipedia is a weak encyclopedia. Since you won't type an arguementation I've no idea on which points you find it weak, so I'll just link this.

Nature Magazine, which is one of the world's leading scientific magazines & is known for it's independent journalism did a head to head comparison of Wikipedia (English) & The Encyclopedia Britannica (E.B.)

The E.B. is the world's oldest English encyclopedia. It's considered the world's most accurate & features over 19 full time editors & 4000 experts working on it full-time.

I'll quote from the article:

"The exercise revealed numerous errors in both encyclopaedias, but among 42 entries tested, the difference in accuracy was not particularly great: the average science entry in Wikipedia contained around four inaccuracies; Britannica, about three."

"People will find it shocking to see how many errors there are in Britannica," Twidale adds. "Print encyclopaedias are often set up as the gold standards of information quality against which the failings of faster or cheaper resources can be compared. These findings remind us that we have an 18-carat standard, not a 24-carat one."

Article nature.com/news/2005/051212/full/438900a.html

Comparison List nature.com/news/2005/051212/multimedia/438900a_m1.html

In short: even the world's best encyclopedia is innacurate, E.B. is more accurate than Wikipedia, but the difference is marginal.


Quoting: LoneStranger
Is that your ultimate source of confidence, that finally you can say yourself as a caucasian...because probably you are a Persian? ... If the white supremecy believers are wrong doers... then darker people who desperately try to proove themselves as white also equal wrong doers. Such people constantly assure that White Is The Only Right. Such people are also equally racist.


I think you're mistaking me for a white supremacist which I'm not. I'd have no problem being a Persian, I wouldn't feel ashamed of it. I don't hold prejudices against any walk of life.

The online dating thing was to give you a real life example to your statement that Polish, Italian & Persian are 3 different races. They are not, they are categorised under "Caucasian", like e.g. on a dating site.

Quoting: LoneStranger
If Iran has anything common in this world with anybody... then it is North India and Afghanistan. HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THIS!...Being the wise man you are!

If you must INSIST on your wikipedia...

Please read here (and article from you trusted ally):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-India_relations


I fail to see how this is relevant. I read it & it talks about their history together and their friendship.
I'm sure both countries have lots in common & maintain a great friendship, they have lots in common & share a part of history. Ok. I don't see the link in race, except they both belong to the same.

Quoting: LoneStranger
HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THIS!...Being the wise man you are!

You know Lone, arguementing or explaining something without mocking the other party is indeed harder, but you should try it. It adds more value to what you say.

Quoting: LoneStranger
I dont have any intention to break you dream.


What dream? I fear that again you're mistaking me for a white supremacist or something :-\ I'm NOT.

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LoneStranger
  Apr 27, 07, 09:13  #64

Quoting: sparrow
Those differences don't have to hold us back to make it better though of course.

Look into bahai.org, they have good ideas on it.

Quoting: sparrow
Well I find that hard to believe, since if you did, you'd know that what I explained about race is exact.

Oh really.... so if I read anything...I have to agree with you!

Quoting: sparrow
They are not, they are categorised under "Caucasian", like e.g. on a dating site.

A dating site!... see friend... a dating site is not the ultimate of books! Its just a place where they have placed a majority standards.... there are not as much persian in the globe as there are Indians (then entire subcontinent is actually India as a whole).

Dont make comments based on a dating site!

Quoting: sparrow
I fail to see how this is relevant.

Well I have read books, seen documentaries... all the people interested in history suggests it.... INDO-IRANIANS are the same people!

Anyways... about the link.... below is the very first Paragraph!

"India and Iran have had close relations since ancient times. Ethnically, the Indo-Aryan peoples of the Indian subcontinent and the Iranian peoples of the Iranian plateau (Persia) are descended from the same Proto-Indo-Iranian group of people. Over several millennia, both civilizations have interacted with each other politically, scientifically, linguistically and culturally."

Hope it makes sense this time.....ETHNICALLY YOU ARE SAME!

Quoting: sparrow
You know Lone, arguementing or explaining something without mocking the other party is indeed harder, but you should try it.

Look....if any sentence of speech from me hurt you... I apologise!

But nothing seems more outrageous then your statement of Iranians and Polish belonging to same race! See... its just too much!... and my comment was not mocking you, it was a reaction from a SHOCKING statement!

I've never been trying to show anyone low ever in my life. And I just treated you more casually... perhaps I shouldnt!... thats the way it goes sometimes in Poland ... perhaps the method of interraction that you follow is different!

Quoting: sparrow
What dream?

Of thinking that you are a Caucasian.

See... Caucasian people are those who are on the other side of the Caucasius mounts... as far as I know... it starts from the Georgians....and the best chance for an person from Iran to be caucasian is perhaps from Azerbaijan!... and some part of Azerbaijan is in Iran....but Iranians and Azerbaijan people are different.

....

However... ur welcome in Poland... and if you want... I'll call you a caucasian white from now :) ... doesnt matter!..

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LATINA
  Apr 27, 07, 09:40  #65

Quoting: witek
i have blue eyes and prefer women with dark hair, brown eyes and olive skin

This is good to know. But I think that the TV Science Show was trying to say that this was more the rule than the exception. I am scared to say that I tend to agree because Polish people tend to marry their own. : (
Again I know there are EXCEPTIONS! But MOST do. Proving the show correct. : (

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LATINA
  Apr 27, 07, 09:41  #66

Quoting: shewolf
Just find a Polish man who has brown eyes

This might be the answer. : )

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sparrow
Edited by: sparrow  Apr 27, 07, 09:56  #67

Quoting: LoneStranger
A dating site!... see friend... a dating site is not the ultimate of books! Its just a place where they have placed a majority standards.... there are not as much persian in the globe as there are Indians (then entire subcontinent is actually India as a whole).

Dont make comments based on a dating site!


I give comments based on facts & opinions, the dating site was to give you a real life example of which ethnic group fall into which race & how that relates in an example of "every day life". The statements I made in my first post weren't based on a dating site of course! It's an example!

Quoting: LoneStranger
Well I have read books, seen documentaries... all the people interested in history suggests it.... INDO-IRANIANS are the same people!

Hope it makes sense this time.....ETHNICALLY YOU ARE SAME!


Yes, I know. That's what I've been saying all the time. Indians (as in India), Iranians (well, Persians) are ethnically the same. They belong to the Caucasian race. I reread what I wrote & I can't find a passage that could make you think I stated anything else.

Quoting: "LongStranger"
But nothing seems more outrageous then your statement of Iranians and Polish belonging to same race! See... its just too much!... and my comment was not mocking you, it was a reaction from a SHOCKING statement!


Allright, perhaps I'm bad at taking a joke. :-) On the other hand, there's nothing I can do that will make you believe it. It is true. The map I posted on page 2 shows it, and that's not something I made myself in paint. ;-) It's a visualisation of the spreading of races & since you seem to know about geography you'll see that it's the same colour that covers Europe, Persia & the Indian subcontinent.

Quoting: LoneStranger
Of thinking that you are a Caucasian.

See... Caucasian people are those who are on the other side of the Caucasius mounts... as far as I know... it starts from the Georgians....and the best chance for an person from Iran to be caucasian is perhaps from Azerbaijan!... and some part of Azerbaijan is in Iran....but Iranians and Azerbaijan people are different.

....



I CRACKED THE CODE! EUREKA! I found out the proble. It's a misunderstanding really.
There are 2 different meaning to the word "Caucasian"

One is as you say, people of Caucasia, Armenian, Abkhaz, etc..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_of_the_Caucasus

But there is a 2nd meaning to the word, which has little to do with the Caucasus

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

I hope it's cleared now, I can't really explain it any better than I did up 'till now.

Quoting: LoneStranger

However... ur welcome in Poland... and if you want...

Well I hope so, since I'm Polish. :-P

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angel eyes
  Apr 27, 07, 18:05  #68

Quoting: Casimir
Women are more subsceptible to this than men, because women have more hormones and tend to go out on limbs and think that "love conquers all" and and that they can make their life like a story or w/e.

Get a grip on life and grow up.
Iv never been more insulted in all my life or heard such tripe!!!!!

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shopgirl
  Apr 27, 07, 18:14  #69

Angel Eyes, I'm with you! Maybe the testosterone has eaten away part of his brain?
Gives one the false impression of knowing what he's talking about LOL

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miranda
  Apr 27, 07, 18:16  #70

I think Casimir was speaking for himself, that all. Which is still sad:)

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southern [Guest]
  Apr 28, 07, 02:09  #71

In Europe there are mainly three distinct races,culturally,genetically etc.The western european or germanic or saxonic(Germans,British,Skandinavians etc),the Meditteranean(Italian,Spanish,Greeks,Portugese) and the slavic(Polish,Czechs,Russians,Ukrainians,Serbs).This is obvious for anybody who has travelled to these countries.Members of each race share many common characteristics linguistical,cultural,ethics,behaviour,Weltanschauung.Of course EU does not want Polish and czechs to be taught they belong to the same group with russians and these folks also disagree that there is common race.I mean the polish and czechs would like to be regarded as belonging to the western race,meaning be part of western civilization.
Since the appearance is not culturally related but only genetically and keeping in distance every cultural factor I am sure polish girls are slavic 95% and maybe 5% german.When gene studies in eastern europe will be published such a proportion will probably arise.
This is very good because slavic girls are actually the best looking in the world.(And polish are among the best looking slavic girls).That is why you will hear many times that
1.Czech girls are the most beautiful
2.Slovac girls are the most beautiful
3.Polish girls are the most beautiful in Europe
4.Russian girls are the most beautiful
5.Ukrainain girls are the most beautiful
6.Serbian girls are gorgeous.They are the most beautiful
But you will never listen that
1.German girls are the most beautiful
2.British girls are the most beautiful
3.Norwegian girls are the most beautiful
4.Belgian girls are the most beautiful
That is because slavic appearnce surpasses by far any other.The average polish girl looks a lot better than the average british girl.The hot polish girls are in a much higher prportion than the hot british girls.So it is reasonable that most western men will prefer a polish to a british girl or generally a slavic to a germanic girl.If we add polish mentality and better behaviour and higher average education and culture in slavic world with the desire of women to please and their availability we easily understand why polish girls are so popular.

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sparrow
Edited by: sparrow  Apr 28, 07, 05:33  #72

Quoting: southern
In Europe there are mainly three distinct races genetically etc.The western european or germanic or saxonic(Germans,British,Skandinavians etc),the Meditteranean(Italian,Spanish,Greeks,Portugese) and the slavic(Polish,Czechs,Russians,Ukrainians,Serbs).


No. Just no. These are not races genetically. There are only 5 races in the world. Native inhabitants of Europe are of the Caucasian race. I feel like slamming my head between my car door with the airbag off.

Quoting: southern
That is because slavic appearnce surpasses by far any other.The average polish girl looks a lot better than the average british girl.The hot polish girls are in a much higher prportion than the hot british girls.

So it is reasonable that most western men will prefer a polish to a british girl or generally a slavic to a germanic girl.

If we add polish mentality and better behaviour and higher average education and culture in slavic world with the desire of women to please and their availability we easily understand why polish girls are so popular.


Wtf...

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southern [Guest]
  Apr 28, 07, 14:46  #73

You can call them races or not,the name does not change anything.They maybe distinct populations inside races whatever.Of course blacks and asians are totally different than europeans.A Polish looks far more like german than he looks like Asian.But he looks more like czech than german.Because german is caucasian,polish is caucasian.Czech is caucasian and slavic,german is caucasian and germanic,polish is caucasian and slavic.
It is not difficult to understand.Caucasian is a race,slavic can be called race category or whatever but still exists,it has a meaning,how to say that?
The russians do not refuse at all they are slavic and they are proud of it.In fact they believe they are superior to others.

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witek
  Apr 28, 07, 23:43  #74

Quoting: southern
That is because slavic appearnce surpasses by far any other.The average polish girl looks a lot better than the average british girl.The hot polish girls are in a much higher prportion than the hot british girls.So it is reasonable that most western men will prefer a polish to a british girl or generally a slavic to a germanic girl.If we add polish mentality and better behaviour and higher average education and culture in slavic world with the desire of women to please and their availability we easily understand why polish girls are so popular.


i agree , slavic women are beautiful

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witek
  Apr 29, 07, 00:16  #75

Sparrow,

we Central and Eastern Europeans are geneticaly different from Western Europeans and Southern Europeans.

We have the highest frequency of Haplogroup R1a1 (M17) which ranges from 56.4% of the population in Poland , 54% in Ukraine, Belarus 50 %, Russia 47 %, Sorbs 63 %, , Hungary 60 %, Czech/Slovak 26 %.

While the most common of all haplogroups among western Europeans is R1b The exact following values of Hg R1b are: Basques: 88.1%; Irish: 81.5%; Welsh: 89.0%; Scots: 77.1%; Non-Basque Spaniards: 68.0; Catalans: 79,2; Andalusians: 65,5; Portuguese(South): 56.0%; Portuguese (North): 62.0%; British: 68.8; English (Central): 61.9% Belgians: 63.0; French: 52.2; Danes: 41.7%, Norwegian: 25.9; Swedish: 20.0; German: 47.9; Italian (Calabria): 32.4; Italian (Sardinia): 22.1%; Italian (North-central): 62.0. the so-called R1b genetic family is the most numerous in Western Europe

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sparrow
  Apr 29, 07, 03:42  #76

Quoting: witek
Sparrow,

we Central and Eastern Europeans are geneticaly different from Western Europeans and Southern Europeans.

We have the highest frequency of Haplogroup R1a1 (M17) which ranges from 56.4% of the population in Poland , 54% in Ukraine, Belarus 50 %, Russia 47 %, Sorbs 63 %, , Hungary 60 %, Czech/Slovak 26 %.

While the most common of all haplogroups among western Europeans is R1b The exact following values of Hg R1b are: Basques: 88.1%; Irish: 81.5%; Welsh: 89.0%; Scots: 77.1%; Non-Basque Spaniards: 68.0; Catalans: 79,2; Andalusians: 65,5; Portuguese(South): 56.0%; Portuguese (North): 62.0%; British: 68.8; English (Central): 61.9% Belgians: 63.0; French: 52.2; Danes: 41.7%, Norwegian: 25.9; Swedish: 20.0; German: 47.9; Italian (Calabria): 32.4; Italian (Sardinia): 22.1%; Italian (North-central): 62.0. the so-called R1b genetic family is the most numerous in Western Europe


That's a very nice copy & paste from Wiki but it doesn't change anything to what I said. "German, Polish, etc..." is not a race.
As far as saying we are genetically different, everyone on earth is genetically different from one another since we all have unique DNA.

A haplogroup is a "code" on a chromosome which is readable that tells us about our genes. So take a hair of someone, send it to the lab & the lab would tell you "that guy is probably Asian"
Both haplogroups belong to the R-strain, which are very closely related with very little difference in them. Both strains are found from Europe to Asia minor to India. Conclusion: same race. Reading something is not the same as understanding something.

If some still want to argue that "Polish" or "German" or "European" is a race... w/ever have a go, but there's no such thing.

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sparrow
  Apr 29, 07, 03:45  #77

Quoting: southern
In fact they believe they are superior to others.



Yes, that kind of vision led to intresting developments back in the '30s.

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witek
  Apr 29, 07, 09:34  #78

Quoting: LoneStranger
Iranians and Polish belonging to same race


homo sapiens evolved from monkeys

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LoneStranger
  Apr 29, 07, 09:39  #79

Quoting: witek
homo sapiens evolved from monkeys

You are a good example.

However... I believe that humans were humans from the begginging of time.

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witek
  Apr 29, 07, 09:53  #80

Quoting: LoneStranger
You are a good example.


very funny. it's good you didn't call me a neanderthal my friend.

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witek
  Apr 29, 07, 10:12  #81

LoneStranger,

Humans evolved for thousands of years just like all other life forms on the planet. Evolution is a natural process as all species must adapt and evolve or risk not being able to compete which may lead to extinction.

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sparrow
  Apr 29, 07, 16:47  #82

Quoting: LoneStranger
However... I believe that humans were humans from the begginging of time.


I once got thrown out of a bookshop for moving the bibles to the fiction departement. I guess some people can't handle the truth.

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stepheng [Guest]
  Apr 30, 07, 13:05  #83

Quoting: sparrow

I once got thrown out of a bookshop for moving the bibles to the fiction departement. I guess some people can't handle the truth.


Truth is relative.

I guess I should move a book about the big bang under "Religion" next time I am in the library, its just another creation myth at the end of the day.

No matter, love is what this thread is about, and love breaks barriers crosses natural boundaries. If you fall in love with someone, it doesn't matter where they came from or what their beliefs are if you want to spend your life with that person...

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sparrow
  Apr 30, 07, 13:19  #84

Quoting: stepheng
I guess I should move a book about the big bang under "Religion" next time I am in the library, its just another creation myth at the end of the day.


I meant it in a joking way but you've got a point there. Some people (like me lol) tend to turn their non-religious beliefs into a religion. :)

As far as love goes, I could easily fall in love with any kind of race or tribe or w/ever..

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daffy
  Apr 30, 07, 15:25  #85

Quoting: sparrow
As far as love goes, I could easily fall in love with any kind of race or tribe or w/ever..


a very true statement. the title of the thread is interesting in that - generally speaking other races can be viewed as 'exotic' and as such attractive but in the end, it does come down to the 1 on 1 attraction not any particular race

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sparrow
  Apr 30, 07, 15:39  #86

Quoting: daffy
generally speaking other races can be viewed as 'exotic'



I think that's the major thing if we're talking about physical attraction. Basically it's a fetish just like any other sexual fetish altough more widely accepted & not perceived as such.

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daffy
  Apr 30, 07, 15:41  #87

Indeed sparrow, I know many men here have asian fetishs. Japanese schoolgirl thing. But as a relationship - thats another thing

Men really have two trains of thought here

What about the women? is it true that the other race person is always the more attractive? How do females break it down?

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Zengirl [Guest]
  Apr 30, 07, 20:33  #88

I am DEFINITELY into different looking guys - of all nationalities. But in terms of the 'other race person is always the more attractive' - I don't really think so. Whether we consider some attractive is an entirely subjective thing. Some people like blue eyes, broad shoulders and blonde hair - others may find a slim build, dark hair and dark eyes more attractive. And sometimes, for the more mature of us, it is quite literally their stellar personality that draws us to them!

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shewolf
  Apr 30, 07, 21:30  #89

Quoting: daffy
What about the women? is it true that the other race person is always the more attractive? How do females break it down?


I find any race attractive. All men are the same in my mind and I'm very aware of all the different types of men. I like men from India, Middle Eastern men, Asian men, Latino men, Scottish men, British men, Mediterranean men, and so on, in addition to Polish men. I love all the different accents. Dark skin is beautiful and light skin is beautiful. All men are attractive.

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Lee_England
Edited by: Lee_England  May 3, 07, 07:01  #90

Quoting: sparrow
No there isn't.. like Kranzler said.. Polish is a nationality.. the predominant race of most Europeans is Caucasian, that includes everything from Italy to England to Lapland to India & Iran


But what about slavs, celts, hispanic they are all classed as different because they are from different tribes and have different genetic makeup. race is not just based on skin colour its based on genetics too.

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