JAKUB TOMCZAK - guilty?

what in 9 years...think back to a brazilian shot dead in london by police....not just once through the head but over 10 times and only now justice is done....

Check your facts: He can appeal tomorrow if he wishes. Menezes was not shot ten times in the head.

You call fining The force £175,000 and ordering it to pay £385,000 in costs justice? They put seven bullets into an inocent mans head, got away with murder but foud guilty of breaking "health and saftey"


....That's not justice!!

er, sorry... how long ago did this actually happen...?

takes that long in poland just to file the paper work

9 years is pretty pathetic for rape and GBH in my opinion.

Why was the attempted murder charge dropped?

I would have liked him to serve at least 12/13 years.

Anyway, have fun in prison. Lets hope you don't get segregated from the prison population Jakub. They love sex offenders in jail

He got two life sentences with a minimum of nine years. That means he has to admit his guilt or he will stay in prison for life!

I don't think it does. I'm not too sure about this?

He will serve 9 years if he admits his guilt or not. It is then up to the parole board to judge whether he is safe to be released. 9 years is the absolute minimum he will serve

It definatly works that way!

It will be interesting to see how this all pans out.

The jury took no time at all in convicting him 11-1. The defence so feeble and the prosecution so strong

I can't imagine any appeal is going to even get past the first stage unless so magical new evidence comes up.

Ok hairball, I wasn't sure!

You are probably right!

The media over here are yelling injustice and trial by uk press. So maybe he will take that route! My wife say's some jornalist said yesterday it would be nice if he was found not guilty because there is already too much bad feeling for Polish people in England. No consideration about the victom there!

The jury know nothing about the press coverage of the trial, they are segregated away from it all for the duration of the trial. No television or newspapers allowed in their hotel, they have to make their own entertainment.

Quite how Poles can claim the papers influenced them I'll never know.

desperate situations call for desperate messures!

Unless the Newspaper reporters planted Jakubs semen on the victim?

Possible I suppose. Ha!!

The UK press tended to side with the victim, the Polish press with Jakub. No surprises there.

This is not my understanding of jury service. In my day they were allowed home.

Jury didn't know about either press coverage. Just the facts of the case. exactly the same will happen should he appeal.

His father is quoted today as saying they "regret" giving a DNA sample so easily.

ive heard through the underworld grapevine that he will be dead within weeks - his murder intended to send a clear message to polish criminals that we will not tolorate their kind in the uk

actually, thats complete bollox but i dont see why other people should have the monopoly on chatting sh!te

No ****!

Luckily there wont be another time that you find your son in this position. for at least nine years anyway.

Had he somehow been found not guilty he would have done the same to another poor woman in Poland at some point. Then the local press would not have been so scathing of the prosecution (as they would not have been British).

Nasty brits, using their state of the art detective work to catch rapists, how dare they.

What surprised me is the fact that Tomczak wasn't charged with an attempted murder. Yet this is exactly what he did, he near killed that poor woman and then he left her to die. He probably thought she was already dead while he was leaving.


That's what I was thinking to. And I wonder how many unsolved rapes and murders are they in the town that Tomczak was from. Usually sexual predators are more of the serial-killer type; they can't stop till they get caught.

Superb point Dice!

Now maybe any unsolved sexual offences is Poznan can be cross-referenced with Jakub's DNA (if there is DNA samples available) - he wouldn't have shown up previously due to his previous clean record.

He has been found guilty,and the evidence shown so far is pretty compelling.

Only he knows in his heart 110% if he committed that crime or not.

If he did,living in Exeter myself, all I can say is that victim could have been my wife or my daughter.

As for the comment about 50,000 poles invading the city and Exeter being a close knit community from a previous poster stealing our jobs etc--what a load of rubbish.

Sure there are many poles living in Exeter,and working with us side by side quite happily-and very nice people they are as well--50,000 invading the city though?? that would mean every third person you meet is a Pole--highly exaggerrated.

Like I say If he did commit this crime that he has been found guilty of -and only he in his heart knows,then this city is safer than it was on the night of the incident and the victim he chose whilst he was in the city.

maybe she was carrying this sample since saturady night?something like monika lewinski and clinton case...

For me, it reminds me of the Alan Shearer commercial, 'it doesn't match, ur jokin aren't ye?'. McDonalds if my memory serves me right. Is this case going to appeal? I'd love to read the case report here. In the absence of facts, all we have is evidence and it overwhelmingly pointed to him doing it. However, that's assuming the evidence wasn't cooked. The British authorities need to be investigated for incompetence. Cases should be thrown out if there have been procedural defects and dubious procurement of evidence. The semen sample should have been given to a 3rd party.

The semen sample was analysed by the forensic science service in Wales. Are you suggesting every single sex offence where the DNA was analysed at Chepstow be thrown out of court? That would be pretty much all of them.

Devon and Cornwall police had nothing to do with analysing the samples

The defence and Jakub both had the option the do their own DNA tests on the semen sample found at the scene.

They chose not to.

Why would they do that? Because the results would have to be admitted in court. The defence could hardly risk a match could they? Would make the not-guilty plea look a bit stupid.

As for the DNA tests being faked, how did the police get hold of Jakubs semen? The test was clearly done on semen (not hair or skin) as testified to by two separate members of the forensic science service with no links to Devon and Cornwall Police.

There were anomalies here. I was talking about those with procedural defects and this one had. They screwed up the tests basically. I'm disappointed at the lack of objectivity on both sides. The Polish press protesting his innocence and the British press his guilt. Dice was right, this joke case was like the OJ Simpson trial, more highly charged than ur top vibrator. This kind of case sparks repercussions and retaliatory action. Still, it shouldn't, assuming the verdict was sound. The Poles have done very well off of our economy, being able to save money and set themselves up back home.

If it was abnormal why didn't the defence do their own tests?

The option has been open to them for nearly a year.

What were their stated reasons? As I said, the facts available online were fuzzier that an old Russian pro's nether regions

The local Exeter paper will be carrying an eight page supplement on the case, tomorow.
I've no idea if you'll be able to read it on-line.

Jakub Tomczak. You've come to our city and assaulted and violated our neighbour in the most applalling way. I hope you never get out of jail - may you rot in hell.