JAKUB TOMCZAK - guilty?

That's not what I meant by my comment. I said that the undeniable evidence is there (DNA), yet some people will not believe Tomczak's guilt no matter what, because they don't want to. Some people will make up conspiracy theories of police framing the suspect; make up stories of sloppy evidence handling and contamination, etc. They don't care about the victim one bit; all they care about is that a guilty verdict will not be suitable for them for some personal or political reasons. This is where I see similarities in these two cases - OJ's and Tomczak's.

Dice, even if Jakub had pled guilty his friends and family (and a vast majority of other deluded souls) would still believe he was innocent.

The right decision has been reached and even polish t.v has been reporting that his trial has been much fairer than if he had stood trial in Poland. The bottom line is that justice has been served and a cold blooded animal has been removed from our midst, the streets of Exeter have been made rid of a monster and as a result are a safer place for women to roam at night. I do hope that anyone who during the trial was found to have given false alibi or perverted the course of justice be dealt with in the most severe terms possible. This trial has nothing to do with Poland vs Britain but more the public vs a rapist who if left at large would needless to say attack again, with dire consequences for the would be victim. I am sure in this case evryones heart goes out to the victim of this henious crime, her life has been destroyed, hopefully she can salvage something from what is left and rebuild her life to some extent.

I think Jakub speak the truth.

Yes, but you are Jakub's Dad

None of his family will ever admit to what he is.

My wife (Polish) has been up in arms about this, claiming that the jury in this case has obviously perverted the course of justice and simply hate Polish people because they're (the jury) from some backwater, provincial village.

I don't know much about this except what I've read from whyjakub.com, thisisexeter.co.uk, the Warsaw Business Journal, the BBC, Polskie Radio and a few other locations.

I was going to argue this but I'm not sure how I feel. The evidence doesn't seem great and yet there are an rather large number of coincidences (and fairly bad luck) - if it isn't Jakub.

I, however, will continue to have faith the Modern Legal System, be it in the UK, Poland or elsewhere. Trial by jury, with a competent judge and lawyers, with evidence and testimony, with clear rules and procedures is what we have. It isn't perfect and we know for a fact that it does result in wrongful convictions ...sometimes... and letting the bad guy go free ...sometimes. I believe, however, that most of the time it works. I believe that the people on that jury, who sat through that entire trial, felt there was enough compelling evidence to convict someone they didn't know and had never met to a very lengthy prison sentence.

If he has been wrongfully imprisoned then I hope his lawyer quickly files for a new trial. If he hasn't, well, he deserves jail.

Oh and one last thing: If anyone involved in that case - or any case! - has done anything to pervert the course of justice then they should be ashamed ...and spend some time in jail themselves. Besides being an informed voter one of the highest callings as a citizen is to see that justice is quickly, efficiently and honestly served. Lack of justice, much less lack of faith in the justice system, ultimately leads to chaos, anarchy and other unpleasantness.

I don't like the way this case is being presented here in Poland. An air of 'the British are out to destroy the reputation of a nice Polish guy'. 'What can we do now to prove his innocence?' etc. Unfortunately the evidence does look highly stacked against him
This shows a typical Polish attitude. I'm sure if, God forbid, something as horrible as this happened to your wife or one of your family she wouldn't be shouting about a Polish witch hunt in the UK. From what I have seen of this case on television there is only one family from a "backwater, provincial village" involved.

Rapist Jakub Tomczak is today starting a double life sentence for a brutal attack which a city judge has described as "every woman's nightmare".

Tomczak, a 24-year-old law student, smiled and laughed to himself as he was led away by security guards after yesterday being found guilty of raping a woman and leaving her naked, seriously injured and unconscious under a van in a city street.

A jury took three-and-a-half hours to find Tomczak guilty of rape and causing grievous bodily harm with intent, by a majority of 11 to one.

It followed a two-week trial and a huge manhunt to bring him to justice. He had denied the charges and claimed that police had arrested the wrong man.

My wife is polish aswell, she has lived here 8 years. She says that it is probably down to shame that polish people do not want to recognise that he is guilty- they feel embarrased that someone from poland has come here and commited such an evil act. Most polish immigrants come here and are perfectly law abiding and hard working and when you think of the numbers here, you rarely hear of crimes commited by poles. (I do not include driving offences in that statement as , as much as i love polish people, their driving on the whole leaves a lot to be desired ).One thing that my wife has said was said on polish telly (we have cyfra+) is that the trial he has received here infinitely exceeds the standards he would have received in poland. I also know that his detention will be palacial when compared with a polish prison and that the police investigation was fair without compromise. Polish people are very proud people, and i am sure that deep down most poles here know he is guilty and that he has been dealt with very fairly. I know that the why Jakub website in particular has been posting a lot of lies about the case and as a result some poles are probably misinformed about the damming evidence the police collected on this man.

Guity bastard, Hope he has the worst time ever in prison.

All the dirty sex offenders and rapists get segregated for their own safety Joe.

Bloody shame.

Someone will get at him in the 9 years though; 9 years spent looking over his shoulder.

Even if he is guilty i have never heard of a life sentence , normally you get 30 years and go to some special hospital....

[quote=away guy] Even if he is guilty i have never heard of a life sentence , normally you get 30 years and go to some special hospital [/q

He could be out after nine years, but i doubt it somehow. he was lucky to get away with GBH and not attempted murder. unfortunately the innocent victim in this has got a life sentence and she said she wishes he finished her off- absolutely tragic, i really feel for her and her family.

Is it possible that Tomczak can serve his sentence in Poland. There are cases of prisoners serving their sentence in this way [in their home country], but I don't know if it has ever included Poland.

if public opinion in poland continues to believe him innocent then i wouldnt be suprised if the polish government attempts to have him brought home

If he was in Poland and accused of the same thing, he'd probably spend a couple of years under temporary arrest, locked up 23 hours a day with 7 other men.

stop exaggerate. polish system is not perfect ,thats true but he will deffo receive same treatment as he would received in uk. we are part of eeu !!!

But you havn't caught up yet by a long way!

we are doing quite well since comunizm has been abolished!

For example?

they have started complying with eu arrest warrents

But only after DNA evidence was presented!

Agents of the National Police yesterday arrested in Móstoles two Polish citizens accused of participating in 1996 in his country, a violation of a girl of 14 years with five other individuals.
Both Marcin Pawel., 27 years of age, as Krzysztof C., aged 29, had in effect an international claim issued by the judicial authorities in Poland to be accused of this violation.
The Polish authorities claim is based on a Euroorden issued in May 2006 by the Court of Lublin (Poland), which are accused of sexually assaulting a minor committed in the same locality in October 1996.
According to the authorities of your country, the two detainees, along with five other individuals more, threatened and beaten on the head Joanna B., aged 14, who later sexually assaulted on several occasions.

hairball u have absolutly no idea abt our history ,espana i can write u a book abt polish sexual offenders as well as abt british or spanish ect. so dont give me that crap. of course the only thing people can do on forums is to assoult , hope your egos feels better now!!

I don't know If he did that or not but If It was 100% sure that he did then he should get death penalty not "life in prison", which in case of UK means that one can be free after 8(!) years... however I dare have doubts that a student, who so far hasn't commited any crime could rape and almost kill a woman, who could be his mother. DNA one in a billion... but when It's done correctly and there were plenty of cases in UK when It was screwed up and there is no other evidences. Besides British xenophobes just wanted him to be guilty no matter what. 2nd trail is needed and unless there are others evidences then I think that Kaczyński should get him out of prison.

Name three.

Apart from the CCTV pictures which both his boss and his sister said were him and the woman's bag being found near his house and the fact that he had thrown away the clothes which he was wearing that night.

There's a hell of a lot more evidence even without the DNA than there is against Bruce Robinson (so obviously guilty he immediately came back to Poland after the crime) and Bruce spent more than a year in Polish prison on 'temporary' arrest despite even the prosecution agreeing that he was not a flight risk. But then Bruce also wasn't allowed to have his lawyer with him during the interview or certain court hearings (at one court hearing he was 'represented' by a lawyer who had never even spoken to him) and was given trial documentation in Polish only.

I don't know what Poles are complaining about. This convicted rapist could be free in nine years. In Poland they are quite happy to lock people up for nine years without any trial at all.

Please let them have your address then!! Quickly! ;0)))

Alternatively you could just stop mouthing off about how you know everything about planning permission in Poland, then I wouldn't point out you know nothing (which I do in case any impressionable people read your tripe, believe it and end up making the same mistake as you) and you wouldn't get all offended.

Oh look, another long sentence. I know how much you love those.

Greg, what an emotional reaction!! The trial process is highly procedural and the UK courts have a large backlog of cases to contend with. They can't just pull a date out of the hat for a retrial. These aren't ad-hoc tribunals. It was screwed up was it? That's funny, he was proven guilty BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT which, btw, isn't 100% but very high. Death penalty? LOL. Hey man, sorry to break it 2 ya but this ain't the US or Saudi we are talking about. We don't do firing squads. U had a crack at the British system but, like the Murphy's, I'm not bitter. Go and write to ur MP me ol china

The evidence in this case is compelling and the conviction is watertight. live with it, a polish immigrant is a rapist. Too many poles are seeing his conviction as an attack on polish people- get a life, there are thousands of people in polish jails who have been convicted on much less evidence- what more evidence do you want any dna sample taken at random would have a one in billion chance of matching , ad to that the fact he is seen following the woman on cctv making it probably one in a trillion. the guy is guilty as sin - case closed. no argument