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joo who
  Jan 29, 08, 14:04  #151

Harry wrote:
I know how much you love those.

think that should be THESE, not THOSE...
Never made out I know it all about anything...which is why I asked for advice .... but I do know quite a bit about sad sadistic miserable males! Which is what this thread is about, right? And which is how I found YOU here! xx

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mong [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 14:22  #152

The more you look at this case the more pathetic a minimum 9 year tariff looks.

There is talk in the local press that Hart may be looking at appealing the leniency of the sentence.

A British court has sentenced 24-year old Polish man, Jakub Tomczak, to double life imprisonment for raping and causing grievous bodily harm to Jane H., 48 year old British woman. More Here.

The PoLOLish press crack me up. Love the article HA HA HA HA HA

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BubbaWoo
  Jan 29, 08, 14:34  #153

i sincerely hope an innocent man hasnt been found guilty of a crime he didnt commit

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joo who
Edited by: joo who  Jan 29, 08, 14:37  #154

[quote=BubbaWoo] i sincerely hope an innocent man hasnt been found guilty of a crime he didnt commit [/quote

sorry!

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BubbaWoo
Edited by: BubbaWoo  Jan 29, 08, 14:40  #155

whatever !!

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Grzegorz_
  Jan 29, 08, 14:41  #156

Harry wrote:
Apart from the CCTV pictures


Picture of what ? Guy walking on the street ? If that's the evidence then It's a comedy.

Seanus wrote:
Greg, what an emotional reaction!!


You obviously haven't seen any of my emotional reactions yet.

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mong [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 14:43  #157

Grzegorz_ wrote:
Harry wrote:
Apart from the CCTV pictures


Picture of what ? Guy walking on the street ? If that's the evidence then It's a comedy.



Even the pictures Jakub admits was him. His boss at work identified as him and his housemates identified as him?

Gregorz needs to go back to school.

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Grzegorz_
  Jan 29, 08, 14:45  #158

mong wrote:

Even the pictures Jakub admits was him.


Pictures of what ?

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joo who
  Jan 29, 08, 14:45  #159

BubbaWoo wrote:
anything you would like to share with us...?

Nope...I just chose to forgive him! After reading that article about jakub.....decided some girls got it really tough, and I'm going to move on! Now, where's that pitchfork?!!

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mong [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 14:47  #160

Grzegorz_ wrote:
mong wrote:

Even the pictures Jakub admits was him.


Pictures of what ?



The CCTV of him in the City centre, walking behind the woman - he ADMITTED they were all him.

Have you read anything about this or are you frothing at the mouth as a Pole has been found guilty of something in the UK?

Do some research about the case then book yourself back into some evening school classes you dumb fcuk

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Grzegorz_
  Jan 29, 08, 14:49  #161

mong wrote:
The CCTV of him in the City centre, walking behind the woman


So "walking behind the woman" is the evidence of what ?

mong wrote:

Do some research about the case then book yourself back into some evening school classes you dumb fcuk


Creature...

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mong [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 14:55  #162

walking behind the woman is evidence of what?

DNA match of 1 in a billion for semen found on the victim is evidence of what?

No alibi at the time of the attack (at 3am!!) is evidence of what?

CCTV showing him (he admits is him) following the woman and no other people in the area despite 1000 hours of CCTV footage being scrutinised is evidence of what?

Her possessions found next to his house is evidence of what?

Laughing and smiling when found guilty when any innocent man would surely break down when sentenced to life is evidence of what?

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vanburen3 [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 15:03  #163

there is a sex offenders register in poland i believe, i guess however they did not check that. it must be hard for the guy to be in the UK and be tried by a jury when in poland the judge makes the decision and you have 7 days to appeal against it..

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Grzegorz_
  Jan 29, 08, 15:06  #164

mong wrote:

walking behind the woman is evidence of what?


Of your dad being a gay...

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vanburen3 [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 15:07  #165

Mong...if you study the CCTV you see a man a slim man in fact on a number of occassions...he was wearing a stripped football shirt and No glasses.

If you see the one picture in the CCTV that resembles Jakub you will see he has a different shirt on and Glasses plus Jakub is fat!! unless he spent 3 hours in Ali's Kebab house and put that weight on i dont think it's him......Plus monks road is a long road and runs Parallell to the main road where the woman was attacked....it's a police set up!!!

mong wrote:
Her possessions found next to his house is evidence of what?

Her possessions were actually found in the nex street that runs Parrallel to the street that he lives on

plk123 wrote:
they don't kill criminals in europa

we still have the death Penalty in the UK for High Treason and Mutiny!!

Grzegorz_ wrote:

mong wrote:

walking behind the woman is evidence of what?


Of your dad being a gay...


Nice argument.

You'd be right at home on Jakub's defense team. Perhaps you could ring them. You do know how to use a phone don't you, you dumb fcuk?

vanburen3 wrote:
Mong...if you study the CCTV you see a man a slim man in fact on a number of occassions...he was wearing a stripped football shirt and No glasses.


The football shirt evidence has just been made up by you.

Jakub can easily take his glasses off. Last time I checked they were not permanently attached to the face.

Jakub's clothes from the night have mysteriously disappeared! As if by magic, so no comparison could be made.

How convenient!

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Wroclaw
  Jan 29, 08, 15:25  #166

vanburen3 wrote:
we still have the death Penalty in the UK for High Treason and Mutiny!!


Not any more. As of January 1999.

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mong [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 15:50  #167

It does make me laugh that people think the police will fly over 900 miles, go through months of extradition processes and paperwork, all that work to pin it on a guy that is completely innocent.

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Seanus
  Jan 29, 08, 15:57  #168

Who was the other suspect? Strange how they didn't attempt to bring him in. This Afghan taxi driver seemed to be a red herring.

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Grzegorz_
  Jan 29, 08, 16:12  #169

mong wrote:
Nice argument.


I've just got down to your level for a while. Sorry...

"Poles are emotional" etc. but in practice It rather looks like many British want the guy to be guilty no matter what. All I said is that I have doubts and look what happened...

Anyway no matter If he really did It or not It's a comedy. Either he is innocent and that will destroy his life or he is a real beast, which... will be probably free in about 10 years.

And If that's all so sure then why one person from the jury voted non-guilty ? One in a billion probably...

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mong [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 16:21  #170

Free in 10 years to a deportation order.

Then he can go and commit a similar offence in Poznan, Krakow, Warsaw or wherever against a poor Polish lady.

Then I'm sure the local press will be acting in a similar rabid, delusional way to they are now.

HA!!!

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Seanus
  Jan 29, 08, 16:22  #171

I thought it was a dual life sentence he got. Apparently not

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mong [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 16:25  #172

British police to advise their Polish counterparts to examine Jakub's DNA and fingerprints from cold rape cases committed around the Poznan area in the past 10 years

It would be absolutely horrific if he done this before, but perhaps if he is found to have done this at home the Polish press and family will accept him for what he is?

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Dice
Edited by: Dice  Jan 29, 08, 16:35  #173

mong wrote:
It would be absolutely horrific if he done this before, but perhaps if he is found to have done this at home the Polish press and family will accept him for what he is?

I know what Grzegorz would say if that was the case! He'd be like: "Those bastards Brits gave this cold-blooded murderer only 9 years and then they give him back to us. They are "polonophobs!"" lol.
BTW, I think that he actually thought this word up by himself! Congratulations, GHrzegorz. lol

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mong [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 16:43  #174

Grzegorz = a classic example of why kids should stay in school and get an education

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Matyjasz
Edited by: Matyjasz  Jan 29, 08, 17:37  #175

The only information we have from this case are those gathered and published by the British and Polish newspapers, both seem to be vogue and biased. The British press seemed to judge him guilty long before the verdict was announced and the polish press seemed to pay much bigger attention to the hard situation of Jakubs family rather than to the suffering of this poor British woman. (I haven’t seen any Polish articles and reports that would say that he was innocent, though, as some posters on this forum seemed to suggest). A very disappointing state of affairs if you ask me.



I’m not going to undermine the courts decision. I feel really disgust about the whole assault and ashamed that it was committed, not only by my fellow countryman, but by a Wielkopolanin at that. But maybe it would be better if some posters would put their emotions aside and start to be a little bit more objective? After all, as I stated at the beginning, we know only what the press told us. Did anybody actually saw the whole footage from the CCTV’s cameras? Does anybody know anything about the whole t-shirt with the number 8 thing? I read in some articles that the British police claimed that the rapist was wearing that kind of t-shirt, but it seems that they backed off from that idea later. Also, what about the fact that the blood of the rapist found on the face of the victim didn’t match Jakub’s blood? Anyone know more about it? A mature response would be appreciated.


mong wrote:
DNA match of 1 in a billion for semen found on the victim is evidence of what?



Here is a very interestig article. It wasn't written by a polish journalist BTW.

Various press reports released in early February make mention of a British case wherein a local police department confessed to having identified an innocent person as a criminal by a DNA test that was said to be in error. A U.K. police agency that had secured near 100 convictions on the basis of DNA testing, admitted that, as far back as April of 1999, they had matched a sample taken from the scene of a burglary to six loci on the DNA molecule of one of 700,000 persons whose DNA was collected in the national database. The suspect was a man with advanced Parkinson's disease, who could not drive and could barely dress himself. He lived 200 miles from the site of the burglary. His blood sample had been taken when he was arrested, and then released, after hitting his daughter in a family dispute. He was arrested despite his protestations of innocence and alibi evidence that he was babysitting a sick daughter at home. Police dismissed these protestations stating that "it had to be him" since the DNA matched. The odds of the arrestee's DNA being wrongly matched against that of the crime scene were said to be one in 37 million.

It is only when the suspect's solicitor demanded a retest using additional markers, after the suspect had been in jail for months, that further testing was done. This testing, using a total of 10 loci, showed an exclusion at the additional four loci. The interpretation of the original test's results, given by law enforcement officials, were proven to be inaccurate. The suspect was then released from custody. The new British ten-loci test, it is said, only "offers a one in one billion chance of a mismatch" according to Scotland's Evening News of February 9, 2000!


source

And one more thing; does anyone know if the test thatwas used in Jakub's test was the LCN DNA test?

DNA test halted after Omagh case; Police have suspended the use of a controversial DNA technique following the Omagh bomb verdict.


source

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mong [Guest]
  Jan 29, 08, 18:24  #176

DNA test was not LCN, there was a ton of semen.

12 loci are actually used now, greater than a one in a billion chance

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Dice
Edited by: Dice  Jan 29, 08, 18:28  #177

What surprises me are all these people here siding with the rapist!

Look at this: here is Matyjas arguing that the DNA is not reliable as evidence!

What??? Heeellloo! This is Earth to Matyjasz: you have just officially lost all your marbles, sir!

What's next? Are you going to argue that the Martians did it? Maybe the Leprechauns?

Whatever it takes, isn't, Matyjasz? Whatever it takes to take the side of "OUR" (Polish) guy? No matter how much evidence. No matter if Tomczak is an actual rapist (and you know it), he almost killed this poor woman; who knows how many women he raped and killed before but didn't get caught.

Yet you still take Tomczak's side just because he is Polish. THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH THIS MENTALITY.

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El Gato
  Jan 29, 08, 20:45  #178

Shoot the freak in the head.

I've just found out there is a convicted sex offender living in my neighborhood, and there are always a ton of little kids running around. I say he needs to put a sign up that says "I am a convicted sex offender" or move out.

I don't get people who do crazy things like rape and molestation. They're freaks.

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Patrycja19
  Jan 29, 08, 21:05  #179

Dice wrote:
What??? Heeellloo! This is Earth to Matyjasz: you have just officially lost all your marbles, sir!


first of all calm down, hes only showing articles that have said this.. this didnt
come from matts own scientific findings...

Matyjasz wrote:
I feel really disgust about the whole assault and ashamed that it was committed, not only by my fellow countryman, but by a Wielkopolanin at that.


second off all matts definately not siding with the rapists.. so back off!!

Maciej I agree with you, he should be punished, its disgusting and sickening...

El Gato wrote:
I've just found out there is a convicted sex offender living in my neighborhood, and there are always a ton of little kids running around. I say he needs to put a sign up that says "I am a convicted sex offender" or move out.


I agree, scares me to think that they give them back rights, I think that if they do
something so disgusting, they dont have any rights anymore.. why should they??
its ok for them to take away the rights of small children and scar them for life or kill
them, so I think because of the rise in numbers of sex offenders, i think more has
to be done to make them think twice before they let their perverted minds take over!!

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Dice
Edited by: Dice  Jan 29, 08, 23:00  #180

Patrycja19 wrote:
matts definately not siding with the rapists..

Read his text again then. Matyjasz sides with the rapist by undermining Tomczak's guilt and questioning the evidence:
Matyjasz wrote:
Did anybody actually saw the whole footage from the CCTV’s cameras?
Yes they did: the cops, the defense team, the prosecutors, the judge, the jury and I bet you quite a few CCTV’ experts. Sorry they didn't ask Matyjasz' opinion before making any decisions.

Matyjasz wrote:
anybody know anything about the whole t-shirt with the number 8 thing? I read in some articles that the British police claimed that the rapist was wearing that kind of t-shirt, but it seems that they backed off from that idea later.

Matyjasz wrote:
Also, what about the fact that the blood of the rapist found on the face of the victim didn’t match Jakub’s blood?

Etc... etc... etc...

Honestly, it is astounding to me how many people side with the rapist here. I am just uphold. There is this "us" vs. "them" mentality, meaning Poles vs. Brits, as opposed to "us" vs. "the rapist". That's what I have a hard time understanding.

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