JAKUB TOMCZAK - guilty?

I understand that.. like so many do, but, and Im not siding with anything.
I think whats going on is, because so much has happened against the polish
in the UK People forget that it is possible for this to happen and the media
going crazy at times.. people blaming each other all the time.. sometimes it
makes it hard to understand.. just like the British feel victimized and pushed
aside.. so when something like this happens.. with all due respect the seriousness
of it has become a question to those who have been abused /hated because
they wanted better..

This guy is more then likely guilty, Dna is 99.9 percent.. actually if it wasnt for Dna
some of our more notorious killers wouldnt be in jail.. they do have ways to match.
but its all evidence presented.

This is the critical fact in the case that Poles and the Polish media seem to forget, cast iron proof that he had sexual intercourse with the victim.

All the CCTV footage is now available to view on the express and echo website.

I suggest anyone that thinks Jakub is innocent sits through it all. You will now be seeing it as the jury did. I'm sure it will change your deluded minds!

You will need windows media or realplayer

It might be worth looking at any unsolved sex offences that occurred during the time of this wonderful man's 'visits' to the aforementioned countries.

After all that travelling his 6 by 12 cell is going to seem a bit claustrophobic! Still only 8 years minium left you dirty fcuk.

db this might be true, to be honest I don't lnow that much about the case.

Why would the first test not match though?

Im finding it hard to understand why people would try to defend this man in any way shape or form - the fact he is Polish has nothing to do with this (for me personally) - first and foremost he is a rapist who raped a middle aged woman when she was unconcious and left her for dead.

Im also surprised that Poland doesnt have a sex offenders register (not saying there a lots of sex offenders over there) in this day and age, I think all countries that are part of the EU should introduce this, so that people in the countries where we can all move quite freely have the information about these people.

The fact that the woman offered no resistance to the attacker would render the discovery of blood on the victim as un explained but also not necessarily mean it was the blood of the attacker. The only way the semen of jakub could get onto that woman would be if he attacked her, or if someone else used jakubs semen in the attack. I understand polish people being patriotic, there are thousands of british rapists, to question the verdict in this case is naive or just a case of denial. The huge polish community in Britain is not going to get victimised as a result of this verdict. There is however a bit of anger that some people are questioning the compelling evidence that has removed a monster from our community and i am sure if the victim had been polish , our community would have been equally horrified. I am a neutral in this case as my wife is polish and my daughter 50% polish (she speaks more polish than english), my personal opinion is that the sentence is too lenient and that one day the monster will return to the community. A leopard never changes his spots and i think he did`nt expect his victim to live- that makes him a rapist and a murderer.

I've no idea, but the second test did match 100%, that piece of evidence blows any defence case out of the water whether the accused be British, Polish or from anywhere else.

The first test didn't do anything: it was not completed due to a software glitch.

'Every day I wonder why an innocent person has been in jail for a year now, and so far only once had a chance to talk about what happened on that night. They haven't even checked his alibi,' says the sister.

What alibi? He doesn't have one!

Now that so much of europe in the EU make cases like this easier.

Jakub thought he was safe 1000 miles away but the D&C police tracked him down, and with the superb work of the professional Polish police got him back to the UK.

The Polish police went through all the evidence in the Arrest warrant and deemed it satisfactory that he should have to stand trial in the UK. As did two Polish judges.

Agree Shelly, one massive Europe-wide database would help! Imagine the cost and logistics of trying to set something like that up though! In the meantime I have every confidence in the police like the officers (English and Polish) that brought Jakub to justice.

He was an unassuming law student with a mild manner and a squeaky-clean record, but yesterday Jakub Tomczak was convicted of one of the worst crimes in Exeter's recent history.

The 24-year-old calmly protested his innocence from the time of his arrest and throughout the hearing at Exeter Crown Court, with friends and family rallying around to defend him.

The Pole, who was working as a night porter at Exeter's Thistle Hotel during his stay in the city, showed little emotion throughout the trial which sealed his fate. During evidence, he refuted repeated claims that he was responsible for the attack with a simple "no".

But his friends and relatives were more vocal in speaking up for his good character. His sister, Alexandra, told the court: "He looked after us all the time when we were in England. He would walk us to and from work whenever he was able to do so."

The university student was described as a gentleman, sensitive, helpful and respectful of women by defence witnesses.

His sister said sailing and reading history books were among his hobbies.

Monika Zandecka described Tomczak as a friend and said he was protective of her and her friends.

Speaking through an interpreter, she told the courts: "We were reading English newspapers and there was loads of information about attacks on women and we talked about it and were worried about it for our own safety.

"Kuba (Tomczak's nickname), from that moment on, he decided that he would take better care of us and whenever it was possible he would make every opportunity to accompany us to and from work."

Sentencing Tomczak yesterday, Judge Cottle said: "There is nothing in your upbringing which begins to account for what you did that night. You come it seems from a decent, loving family and your upbringing can only be described as perfectly normal."

The judge said he did not need a psychiatric report on the defendant because nothing in his past could help explain what he did. He added that Tomczak's continued denial of the attack would only hinder such a report.

Tomczak's family and friends reacted with shock and anger as the verdict was read out yesterday. Some left the court room shouting and had to be calmed down by police.

Supporters wearing T-shirts with the message "Why Jakub?" held up a banner protesting his innocence outside court.

On the steps of the court, Detective Chief Inspector Mike Fowkes, who led the case against Tomczak, said: "At the end of the day, I'm sure this guy came from a very decent family and a very decent background. But what he did on that night - the evidence is compelling. I know it might be hard for his family to accept, but that's the position."

yeah... like what...?

If eveidence law works the same way in the UK as it does in the US or Canada then the prosecutors may have botched the case.

whether jakub is guilt or innocent, the fact that he has been sent to jail for the crime has nothing to do with him being polish - the mear suggestion that this is the case is provocative and incitful

this mother's belief that her son is being persecutated becasue of his nationality is indicutive of how many poles feel - that they are victimised everywhere they go because of their nationality

this is either true or not true

if it is true, perhaps poles should spend some time asking themselves what exactly it is that leads people to persecute them

if it is not true they should shut up about it

understand you english ?

Bull****. Poland was not shaken. Tomczak's family and friends may have been shaken, but if you read any commentary on Polish news sites, you will see most people thought he was guilty and deserved to be locked up. Some Polish journalists have reported the story in an utterly unprofessional, emotional way, but that does NOT mean that Poland was in any way shaken by it.

Hi.
I have studied as much as I was able from sources online (not great, I agree, but the only available to me) both from Polish sites, UK sites, international sites.
I have some questions, maybe somebody here knows answers?
- there were apparently various DNA samples taken from the crime scene. Of blood, semen on victim's body (not inside to be delicately speaking), and besides her nails. NONE of the above matched the defendant's profile. Have you heard about that from other sources?
- the DNA fund in vagina is deteriorating after 24 hours. The sample was taken after 72 hours (True or False? I would really like to know)
- various sources (scientific) state that DNA varies only in 0.1% between people (any scientist who would be able to verify that for me?)

thanks

I also heard that the sample from the vagina that matched (only in the second test, and it was the only sample that matched) was analysed using an old technique that has now been abandoned in Poland and elsewhere in the world because it is considered unreliable. Also, why the lab technician who did the tests went on holiday just at the time the trial was scheduled? She new she would be requested to testify, so the trial had to be adjourned until her return. Why did she repeat the test even though, as she said, she had never done anything like that before in her 10-year career?

Also, what is the significance of the tests that did not match? Do they rule out Tomczak? Obviously not, but why not?

What is interesting is that (software glitch or not) the test which ruled this fella out was repeated. Why was it repeated? Was the other test repeated? The guy may be guilty as sentenced but there seem to be some glaring whole in the holes process. It almost feels like someone in the prosecutor's office had sights on THAT particular guy.

I am not very familiar with the UK court room process, so I have to ask: is the judge in the UK allowed to suggest that the evidence is damning? Or is it up to the jurors to decide that. The reason I'm asking is that the judge mentioned a number of times of the huge probability that the accused is in fact guilty. Wasn't the judge fvucking around here? Was he working for the justice system or for the prosecution?

NO - a judge is impartial and is there to hear both sides - the jury to decide after hearing the evidence and then the judge to pass sentence according to the crime.

I really dont understand why the big conspiracy theory - you kids what too much tv, we have enough of our own scumbags that the Police wouldnt hesitate stitching up to get them off the street, why bother with some random young polish boy? doesn't make sense to me. HE'S A RAPIST!

Yes, the judge in this trial on several occasions said things that might be interpreted as instructions to the jury that the guy was guilty. The other strange thing is the sentence. I have never heard of double life for rape and GBH with intent. How many life sentences does one get for murder then? But the judge is not my biggest problem with this trial. There are just too many questions that have not been asked and answered at the trial but they should have been in a case of such gravity. It all happened much too quickly, Why did the defence not pursue the DNA trail? The result of that fateful DNA sample was, after all, the only piece of evidence against Tomczak. Why didn't they call more expert witnesses on DNA to testify? I have seen several statements from forensic biologists on the Polish Internet who work with DNA and they expressed dismay that such weak evidence from a single and the most dubious sample was allowed while results from other samples were ignored. Apparently there were a lot more people seen on these video tapes but only two very short clips were submitted as evidence, Why did the defence not ask for more video samples to be shown?

The last poster's words ("why bother with some random young Polish boy") are significant. If the Exeter Police and some members of the jury also had this attitude, then perhaps lynch would be a better word to describe what we witnessed in the last couple of weeks, not due process of law.

I do have a question.. why make such a big deal of it.. pretty sure that this guy
isnt the only rapist killer out there.. and I think thats everyones question.. because
he isnt the only one.. so what/why make issues out of it.. the families of these
victims do suffer enough without more attention brought to the case.. I know it
would upset me if I keep reading and seeing it in every website, news article, tv
station.. same with anyone who commits such acts.. and the victims family...

I think the only reason this thread was even brought to light is the that hes Polish.
because rape can happen to any female who isnt careful in any country in any
part of the world.. and what gets me is that I keep hearing its us VS them.. so it
is about THEM being Polish and that disgusts me alot.. NOW where is puzzler
because he fully has the right to come down hard in this thread.. I feel it here..

US and them when its all of the People of the UK who live together, theres no us or
them.. do you think more Polish boys will commit rape then British?

this is the only incident Ive heard of < and I dont condone it> he should pay, he did
it end of story.. Polish , british, scottish, irish, I dont care what nationality you are
if you commit a crime this horrible, you should sit and rot..

but, again, its not a US VS Them deal.. you have to try to get along with your fellow
man, whether he is green, red, blue, pink, or fusia!!!

reality check

the vast majority of the uk hasnt heard about this case, it hasnt received widespread media coverage over here and no-one really gives a sh!t that hes polish... other than his mother who seems to think the english are out to get her son purely for that reason...

Why make such a big deal of it? I really don't care if he is Polish or Irish or Dutch. I care, because:
- if he isn't guilty, than there is a big probability that you or me can be incriminated at any time of our lives, brought in front of the court and sentenced. Because if he isn't guilty DNA sampling needs to be done better, and not to be the only piece of evidence to prove somebody's' guilt (actually there are already cases to support that statement). Because if he isn't guilty, then his life has been taken from him by us, the society and we are the monsters to blame.

Because if he is guilty, then the UK police is amazing, and the DNA sampling is the best method ever. And moreover, we need to be not surprise to find out that even your best friend could be a potential rapist, even if you know somebody very well for many years.

I would really like to know the answer to those questions. Is there anybody here who knows the case better? (set at the trial?)

theres a few people on the forum who are making it a big deal..

I already said if he is guilty, then fry him..
if hes not, then set him free.. all evidence points in that direction, and I say evidence
then he should be punished like everyone else..

the WE VS them was a stupid comment.. and that shouldnt even be a issue..
if we all said he was guilty, then where is the justice.. we arent 17th century
witch hunters.. he wasnt accused because he was in the wrong place at the wrong
time,, he did the crime, he should do the time..and I never said he was fully guilty
we have to have equal balance to ensure that a innocent man wasnt blamed.. and
this has happend before. so for those who are thinking my god he is guilty.. well
in a real court room.. you have to be proven guilty.. before a jury and if they find
you guilty,and you didnt do it. you go to jail. if they find you innocent and you did
you leave free. justice sometimes sucks.. because the rocks fall on the wrong side
sometimes..

I think some misunderstood where im coming from.. but I know where im at..
and yes, there is some suggestions in this thread that people are making issues
of it over the nationality thing.. how many girls got raped and killed last month or
in the past few months and did they fry?

The cctv footage was enough to convict him regardless of the 100% DNA match. Anyone posting on here should watch that footage and you can clearly see him stalking the woman and sometime after running off with her handbag. There are too many lies being put on here by polish patriots who are trying to argue black is white. I have never come accross a conviction that is so watertight where the accused has`nt actually been caught red handed. Add the that the DNA evidence that despite lies posted on here is 100% credible. Anyone who knows the area in question who sees the cctv footage would come to the same conclusion. Jakub is a cold blooded killer and is facing justice, i feel sorry for his deluded family, the sooner they can accept that he is a monster who fooled them all the better.

Can you please justify this comment?



When I did a search on the day of sentencing most hits were from this web site!

got a link?



Lies are not the same as questions and doubts, are they?



Do you meen the first test, or the second?



He wasn't sentenced for a murder, was he?



I don't see any connection with patriotism. If he's guilty then so be it. It would be unpatritic to defend a rapist.

sure , no problem..
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:KPZfEQ_L_4wJ:www.surrey.ac.uk/Art s/CRONEM/Teresa-Staniewicz.ppt+attacks+on+Polish+since+immigration+to+ the+uk&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

there is more, but I dont feel like posting everyone of them, but theres alot of
news articles..

And between people and chimpanchees it varies only 0.5%.It has not to do with accuracy of DNA tests.
DNA tests are 100% accurate.You can get 99.9% accuracy by testing different blood groups.Anyway the DNA test cannot be doubt except in the mind of ignorant jury.
The only objection Tomczak could have is that he had consential sex with the victim some days before the crime.