Jewish Hatred toward Polish

I can just visualise this being a passage from your new book in repsonse to someone elses claim that you disagree with. Or am I just prophesysing some of your reviews?

BTW, what are these other books you purport to have authored?



And the end result of slave labour is? ... you guessed it - death.



Then what was your family doing there? What did your family do for Poland and its people, as Dariusz rightly points out. It's clear you have a grievance against Poland - let it out man. Hammer us with your tale of woe. I'll have the world's smallest violin in my hand ready to play a melancholy tune as you recite the list of misdeeds. Was grandpa teased for having sidelocks? Was mummy teased for not speaking Polish even though the family lived there for several generations?

Grow up mate - write a book about the cool things Jews and Poles did side by side. Promote some harmony. Write something that won't add further feul to an already inflamed situation Remember this - there will never be any truth in the argument you've thrown yourself behind. I note your silence when I put to you that your work should hopefully be balanced. Your book will be nothing more than a Mein Kampf walking in the other direction, another so called treatise on Jewish Polish relations, relied upon by non entities such as yourself in creating their own further works of fiction, thus perpetuating this cycle of hate.

Right on!

Up to my eyeballs for years.


Osiol addressed that, only that you don't agree with the answer.



I don't see how that would follow my logic. Rather your logic would indicate that Mieszko I was a self-hating Pole if he abandoned his forethaters' religion. You are desperate and you're throwing in terms without fully understanding the consequences.



As for the rest - much ado 'bout nothing.

Facts:

Jews judged Jesus because he was a Jew and therefore under their jurisdiction. Romans could have sahevd him but didn't.

According to John (19:19), Matthew (27:37) and Mark (15:26) Jesus was then known to Romans as King of the Jews. Hence the INRI over his head in most depictions commemorating the crucifiction. INRI stands for IESVS NAZARENVS REX IVDAEORVM, which means: "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews"

Matthew and Luke trace J's genealogy back to King David (a Jew) and then to Abraham (a Jew).

Matthew 2:1-12 describes how the Wise Men came to visit and pay respect to the newly born King of Jews.

Matthew 15:24 and 10:1-6 show that Jesus came only to save Jews, not gentiles.

The material in NT is overwhelming. Jesus was a Jew.


Hind sight is always 20/20.
In the years leading to WW2 the British government made all the mistakes it could not to stop the war. Heck, they even told Poles not to prepare for the war when Polish government saw clearly it was coming. In their "wisdom" the British wanted to appease Hitler.

And I'm sure, we can all trace our heritage back to King David.

They fought and died for Poland and its people.


No grievance with Poland.
I do like your racist assumptions. Let's have a look at how racism rules your: Why would I post what I post? Because I must be a Jew (you assume). And if I am a Jew my grandfather must have had payot because all Jews have payot (in your tiny mind). Was mummy teased for not speaking Polish? Why do you ask? Because you think that she's a Jew and Jews never learned to speak Polish did they? In reality it would be very unlikely that my mother does speak Polish, seeing that she has spent a total of 12 days in Poland in her entire life.

Then what's your agenda on your posts and this so called book?



I made no racist assumptions. If anything, they were Jewish stereotypes, kind of like the Polish stereotypes you made.

Anyway, you said your family came to Poland to escape religious persecution. Have a look at the thread you've posted on too. I took the liberty of assuming you were Jewish - so what. You haven't said whether you are or not, so what's your point?



No look in required. I suggested you write a book on positive things Poles and Jews did together. You chose not to respond to that. Dunno how a suggestion like that is racist. Scratch the surface, and you'd probably find a wealth of information on this type of topic.

Pretty hurtful suggestion too that I have a tiny mind. I have enough receptors in my brain however to pick out a BS merchant.

The lesson is this Harry - when you come on a forum and pound your chest, expecting people to believe aberrations are definite conclusive proof a racist and murderous proclivity of a group of people, expect to be challenged. When you try to add to your credit by saying you're some svengali author, but give no bona fides, you lose credit rather than gain. As you know, authors rely on their impartiality and objectivity to establish their reputation as someone to be relied upon as a source of knowledge - in my book you have neither.

A lot of your ilk come here thinking I'm gonna show these damn Poles how bad they really are. Suffice to say, arguments built on shaky ground usually topple with a slight push.

The bandwagon's leaving Harry - better jump on and POQ. Don't sit too high and mighty though, cause when it crashes, the loftier the perch, the harder the fall. You cant blame the shoddiness of the wagon on the Poles though - sometimes you have to accept responsibility for yourselves.

BTW - if you won't let the forum know which books you've published, PM me with the titles and you have my word I will keep it to myself. After all, I need further material for my routine ;-).

Two are guides about Poland. One has already been published by a major UK publisher and I'm currently weighing offers for the second. The third will be a historical guide and I'm currently doing the research for it.


I do not use racial stereotyping. I say things like "This person must be fucktard because he's saying x". You however say "This person must be ybecause he's Jewish". That is called racism.


No I didn't. At no time have I ever said my family came to Poland. Quote from where I did.


You attribute certain characterists to me based on your assumption of my race. That is racist. Get the point? You also assume that I must be a particular race because of my views. That is also racist.


Oh yes, what a brilliant idea! Write a book about all the brilliant things Poles and Jews did together in Poland. There's only one tiny problem which you've overlooked: the Jews living in Poland were Poles.


Yawn. I've been in Poland for more than a dozen years. Before I arrived I knew very little about Poland and Poles. I've learned a lot over the years, some good and some bad.

Here's an artical that is sure to upset some "Holocaust",shall I say historians. I feel this is a major part of the relationship issues between "Jewish" and "Others". Lets face it there are other Catholics I may not like, this does not mean I am anti-Catholicism. IMO we have to take it back to the beginning (pre war) and this time "Communism" cannot silence the majority of the victims.

Carol

Catholic Auschwitz survivor wages war against "Holocaust ignorance"
News from the Polish American Congress


“Nowhere else is Holocaust history as distorted and misrepresented as it is about Poland.”

This disturbing fact is the main reason Michael Preisler, a Polish Catholic survivor of Auschwitz, does not allow himself to stop his nearly thirty-year crusade to see that the American people are told the truth about the Holocaust.



Most of the misrepresentations about Poland are from just plain ignorance. But he never discounts the possibility of willful malice, either. Whatever the reason, education is essential.

http://www.polishnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id =191:war-against-holacaust-ignorance&catid=82:news-from-usa-wiadomosci -z-usa&Itemid=199

Review some of your posts, particularly the one's I've just perused on the concentration camp issue. The implication is that the Poles as a race endorsed concentration camps because you say they existed after WW2. That's racism - subtle though.



Oops. My bad. You said something about your family escaping persecution and fleeing. I thought it was a veiled reference to your family coming to Poland as Jewish immigrants. You really should make your points clearer - usually when people see smoke they assume fire. Come to think of it, your saying you had 2 relatives fight and die for Poland probably means you're a Pom whose relatives maybe died fighting for Poland in the notional sense of the WW2 alliance. Poor communication leads to these sorts of breakdowns Harry.



Not at all. I attribute certain characteristics based on your posts. Your continued racist attacks against Poland merely cement your reputation.


Common response for writer's block eh?

Keep trying - you might get commissioned to write something more substantial than a tourist flyer. And here I thought you were actually a respected writer - have you no shame.

Excerpt from your pamphlet - "Over to the left ladies and gentlemen we have Auschwitz. There's a myth floating around that the Germans made this camp, but it was in fact the Poles. In anticipation of their misdeeds, they made a cunning ploy - they killed several million of their own population so that no one would think they were complicit - the sneaky Poles then created WW2, and blamed the Germans. In order to continue their genocide, they installed a communist puppet regime so that they could then disavow responsibility by saying that the communists were to blame solely because they had no popular mandate. In the final act of infamy, they promulgated show trials of Polish war heroes, and cast 100's of 1000's of Poles around the globe to lend hand to the misconception that Poland was actually a nice place to live".

You are right in your posts to "Harry". Sadly I feel Harry comes into the posts just to insult and degrade the Polish people. Don't let him get to you.

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's about learning to dance in the rain.

Great job defending our families, Thanks.

The implication? I’ve made it very clear that Poles ran the camp and Poland as a nation was responsible for the camps being in operation. Of course the people in the camps were mainly Poles too. Do explain why it is racist to say that Poles ran concentration camps where Poles were locked up.


No Dan, you making assumptions based on your prejudices causes these breakdowns.
For the record, I was not born in was not born in Britain, my parents were not born in Britain and only one of my grandparents was born in Britain (not in England either). So the chances of me being a Pom are rather remote, aren’t they?



You assumed that my grandfather would have ‘sidelocks’ because (in your mind) all Jews have ‘sidelocks’. You assumed that my mother would not speak Polish despite the family living in Poland for decades because (in your mind) only a Jew of Polish extraction would speak as I do and Jews never bothered learning Polish. See how your racist assumptions lead you astray?

I said that I’ve learned a lot about Poles, some good and some bad. I look forward to you explaining how that is a racist attack.


I’ve never written a flyer in my life. The last writing job I was commissioned for paid £3,500. Know any flyer companies which pay that? If so, I’ll start writing flyers.


Sorry but that bit had to be cut for reasons of boredom.

Interesting to see that despite all you had to say, you didn’t even have a word about your assumption that Jews could not be Poles.

This was similar to internment of Japanese American in the US.
Poland was an occupied country with huge changes being forced upon the nation. The camps were organized by Soviets and some administrators were Poles, some were Russians, others were Polish and Russian Jews.



Not all Jews, but the fact is that most didn't speak Polish like American Jews speak English.

It seems that you don't think very highly of your country men now do you Harry? Misplaced sense of loyality, pointless sense of honor and standing by ones word? That would fit a character from a romantic novel but certainly not a british PM or any other british politician for that matter.



It's simple, it was just a logical continuation of the british "balance of power" politics that dates back as far as the rule of the "Virgin Queen" Elisabeth I and is probably valid to this day.

Britain only intervenes in the affairs of the continent when the balance of power in Europe is endangered. Britain could not afford to let Germany dominate the continent in the 20th century, as it would affect its empires position in the future. To sum things up, it was just a matter of time when Britain and Germany would come into a conflict and the british government decided that it is better to engage in it now than wait for Germany to swallow the continent and strengthen.

I certainly would not call them my countrymen.


Up until 1914, Britain only intervened anywhere where there was a reasonable chance of shooting the locals and nicking their country. Or at least of getting the Welsh and the Scottish to shoot the locals anyway.

Why was conflict inevitable? Hitler wanted an empire to the east of Germany, not where Britain had her empire.

Correction, Hitler and Stalin wanted. Try to remember who ended up controlling Poland and her people reguardless of who they felt "God" is.

Jewish hatred of Polish I fear has nothing to do with religion. IMO "anti" comes into play whenever historical facts are brought up in a conversation.

I must repeat, Polish people were the victims and as has been said, Jewish have grown used to being "the victim". How many Jewish were military in Germany, Soviets or Poland? Has anyone ever segregated Polands Catholics from the numbers and looked at the loss of life, country, or freedom?

USA "Holocaust" does not count "non Jewish" and "other" is very small compared to the death toll. They also don't include "Soviet" crimes, unless the victim is "Jewish". Why is that, if Jewish victims commited by Soviets is included, you would think also "Catholic" would be listed? Any numbers out there?

Like former sense of loyalty to Czechoslovakia or later to Greece and Yugoslavia?



Not exactly pointless.They engaged 30 million Poles against Germans.



Since this word was to fight actively defending Poland.A lot of standing here.



Ha,ha,ha.Hitler had told them exactly what he wanted and had proposed them a good share.



A reliable view that the Empire was less vulnerable than continental Europe to german attack because of the sea barrier between Europe and the island and the naval superiority of British.And a very grounded hope that US would back up any military effort actively and possibly enganging in the war.And most important hoping the days before the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact on a likely clash between Germany and Soviet Union that would leave GB's interests untouched.

What do you think about Napoleonic times?



The best way to answer your question would be by trying to emulate what questions the british government was forced to ask itself in 1939, namely:

Can Hitler be trusted?
Are his peaceful plans sincere or just a way to secure his western front so that he can focus in the east?
Even if his plans are sincere, will his plans regarding GB stay the same once he will gain dominance on the continent?
Is it good to have agresive superpower basically just under your nose?

The correct translation of INRI is 'Jesus, the Nazarene Ruler of Judea'...as far as genealogy, Jesus was a descendent of the tribe of Judah, which is not the same a being a Jew...David was not a Jew...He was an Israelite...Abraham was, in current terms, an Iraqi, but as he was a descendent of Eber, he is sometimes classified as a Hebrew...as far as 'Jews' having the right to judge Jesus, the Pharisees and Saducees had no right to judge anyone, although under Roman law these 'religious authorities' were given the leeway of making judgements as far as their religious affairs went...they convicted Jesus in a kangaroo court in the dead of night, and, because they were sons of the devil and inverterate cowards, they used their 'powers of persuasion' and implicit threats to sway Pilate...no, Jesus Christ was not a 'Jew'...if you want to argue that He freed the Israelites from the bondage of the religious system that is now called Judaism, you have a point.

No.They knew already this since he broke Munich treaty.



In reality:Are his intentions to attack the Russians sincere or



His western front was already secured due to unwillingness of the allies to attack him.



Exactly.Let the beast focus on the east and fight the red beast.Let the two beasts exterminate each other and then intervene to restore the balance of power in our favour.



Yes.Hitler was persistent in the same plans till his death.He would not touch the British Empire unless the Soviets accepted his proposals for codominance.



Is it better to have a red or a black superpower under your nose?This was the question that tortured the British throught the war.

Can Hitler be trusted? He's dead, LOL

The only person who could be trusted in this period was paradoxically Stalin.He kept all of his promises both to Hitler and the allies.

Stalin trusted, are we referring to Joseph Stalin. Killer of millions, Stalin? Stalin was a brutal dictator that lied every step of the way.

Yes,he promised to kill millions and he did it.He did not alter his promises.Anyway.

No, he just said Germany did it.

Stalin told his comrades.Trust me,I will kill millions of party enemies and Trotskists.
Then he told Hitler.Trust me,I will kill millions of everyone who opposes our alliance.
And then he told the allies.Trust me,I will kill millions of Germans.
In all cases he kept his promises.

I explained why in the first post that you replied to with the above. YOu never said that Poles were locked up. You said words to the effect that the Gerries set the camps up and the Poles took over. To me, that means the Poles as a nation (not the Communist government, which you should have said) were blameworthy, and that the Poles perpetuated the mechanics of the concentration camp system. There's another lesson for you - give the whole picture and context when you make accusations. Not only are you racist against Poles, but you have added discrimination to the equation.

I also recall another post of yours on another thread referred in a derogatory form to the Poles line of thinking/reasoning. I'm sure a casual glance at some of your posts will show what I mean.



Not really. I made those remarks based on your posts, and your failure to communicate clearly. You assume to attribute certain characteristics on me based on what you think my state of mind is. I base them on what you say. Which basis has the greater merit?



Refer to my point in the danger of assuming based on the state of mind of someone else.



Never said it was, so no explanation needed. Dont try to 'throw me' with obtuse points Harry - it doesnt work.



Was I supposed to comment on this previously? Again, make it clear which points you require a response on. I'm unaware of any assumption from myself that Jews could not be Poles. Of course there are many Jewish people who aren't Polish - it doesn't need my comment to point this out.

My view is that there needs to be a sea change in academic writings on the history of Poles and Polish Jews. I'd like to see some scholarly works on their co-existence and co-operation. There's some great stories from WW2 on this issue, but they're treated more as anecdotes. Dedicated work should be given to this topic.

Sadly, your response is typical:

Harry, your futile efforts to stir up this Polish community isn't working; you can't make us see your way.

So, pfft! Go away, and stop attempting to rewrite history, and attempting to mess with people's heads.

History has already been written. It tells of Poles who took over and ran German concentration camps after the Germans had left and didn't close the last of those camps until 1956. Those are the historical facts. Clearly you don't like them but that doesn't make them untrue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_death_camp


you can contact organianstions mentioned in this article and check ... your "historicial" facts.

If you are historician ... and I doubt in that.

Is it also "Marienburg" and german or is it "Malbork" and polish?

Pure curiousity...