Jewish Hatred toward Polish

We live in 21 century and less and less people understands what happened durring WWII. As I know (there is something about it on this forum) that some British kids don't know who Churchill was. It is better to use name German concetration camp and German army in France than. Polish concetration camps or French army fighting against Allies in Normandy. Fortnuatly UNESCO think as we, and problem is solved. Harry is the best example of how harrming name "Polish concentration camp" is. And now I can post him article that UNESCO changed name because ... (look on posts on previous page).

The Jews just died in that time-honoured Polish tradition: the pogrom.


Face facts: Poles ran Auschwitz after the Nazis abandoned it.

ok but when some commie officers were Polish some Jewish (both were Polish citizens) and of course there was main force Soviets ...

some facts looks much differen ... it wasn't fight between Poles and Jews. It was conflict between commies and other people ...

when we look on Jospeh Borman it looks much different.

After WWII hundrets thousends people were murdered in Poland. It would never happen in free Poland.



I will quote again article you posted



so he was Pole or Jew ? Of course this camps had political character Soviets just used infrastructure Germans left ... but we can't say Poles continued what Germans started ... because in this camps mostly native Catholic Poles were killed. Guards were commies.

LOL !

Not only Poles. Don't be so modest.

You didn't make it very well, right from the start.

I used to know the farmer who owns a patch of land just outside the English city of St. Albans. This patch of land had, during WWII, been used for a camp for Italian POWs. After the war, it became disused, so its function changed. It's now used for storing horsesh!t for using around the farm.

Is this man guilty of running a prisoner of war camp? Does he get complaints in the Italian media?

Ok Harry If you are looking for more reliable sources than Wikipedia

you honestly should go to translator

http://fzp.net.pl/spot12.html

as I said it is offcial website of Jewish community in Poland.
Names we discussed here are mentioned

Morel ... Berman ...

it is discussion between well know Polish Jews/Jewish Poles

Piotr Paziński from Jewish newspaper - Midrasz (Jewsih magazine in Poland)
http://www.midrasz.pl/_new/
Krzysztof Srebrny teacher in Highshool im. Witkacego
Robin Ringer member of Jewish students Union
Michał Bilewicz from Jidełe (Jewish magaizne in Poland).

and they will admit facts about camps after WWII and some officers there and victims of this camps.

If you honsetly write book as you claim it will be very good help.

So in fact you are Polish as of now :)


Actually, the word "pogrom" is of Russian origin. Pogroms occurred since the antiquity in all of the Old World. Nothing specifically Polish to either the word or or the nature of the pogroms.


You are a cheap sensationalist playing with words you don't understand.

Second, Nazis didn't really abandon Auschwitz. They ran like crazy.
And finally, Poles and Jews are still running Auschwitz to this day.

I have a Corylus colurna in my garden. It's more commonly known as Turkish Hazel. This species originally comes from Turkey. This particular specimen began its life in France. Is it my Turkish tree, French tree or English tree? By the way, I call it Grzegorz because it has interesting bark. Maybe it's Polish.

I have a "Judas" and it's the most beautiful tree. Named after Judas that hung himself after betraying Jesus three times.

The wording suggests different comprehension of the words used.
For example,

1. "Polish Concentration Camp victim" means two things:
a) a victim is Polish [a Pole];
b) a victim had survived Polish Concentration Camp

The naming is NOT clear, hence it should NEVER be used, for it creates misinterpretations.

2. "Polish" could mean a place, it also could mean a doer. Hence it should never......

2a. Japanese car STAYS a Japanese car even if it was put together in a factory in Texas, or New South Wales. The factory belong to Japanese owners, the idea is Japanese and Japanese is the technology. NO-ONE would EVER call a Toyota made in this place a 'Texan car', or an 'Australian car'.

2b. Guantanamo is NOT a Cuban camp, it is an American camp IN Cuba. Following your logic, this SHOULD BE CALLED a Cuban camp, or Cuban prison, or Cuban base.

3. The name itself.

Polish name of that town is OŚWIĘCIM, as you perfectly know, as few of others here. If it had been a Polish concentration camp, it would have been called 'Oświęcimski Obóz Koncentracyjny', or Concentration Camp of Oświęcim [Oswiecim], or Oswiecim Concentration Camp.

'AUSCHWITZ' suggests IMMEDIATELY WHO had built the camp and WHO had run it, for it is a German, GERMAN!, name.

4. Those lands where the camp is located (and many other KLs) were annexed by Germany in 1939, hence whatever happened there, IT HAPPENED ON GERMAN SOIL, or I guess you could say 'on Polish, German Occupied Soil' - but now, vide 2: the name is confusing right there.

the wording can suggest 2 things. agreed.

polish sensibilities to offense to the word polish

it is perfectly legitimate to refer to something in poland as polish.

guantanamo WILL be referred to as the cuban camp for that very reason.

if auschwitz suggests IMMEDIATELY who built the camp and who ran it then WHATS THE PROBLEM ffs!!!

I guess the problem would be media that reports numbers killed in "Poland/Polish Concentration Camp". When reporting it should be "Nazi/Soviet Concentration Camp, in occupied Poland". To report any other way is slander to Poland and her people.

by the definitions agreed above it is perfectly legitimate to refer to it as a polish concentration camp. it was in poland. that is not slanderous

By definition language is used to communicate, to communicate successfully one need to use language properly, for example avoid double meanings if possible. (and this is possible if language is advanced enough )

fair dinkums

It wasn't in Poland. There was no Poland when the camp started to function.



That's the problem:

Not to mention the Polish that were killed within the camps, this conversation is absurd. Poland built a camp so their bodies would not end up in the streets. Please out of consideration to the Polish that died within the camps, can we just show some respect.

Thanks for the links, I'll pass them on to our researcher.

To be honest we'll only be briefly covering the post-1945 camps. Nobody comes to Poland to see them and a lot of people get very pissed off when the things are mentioned. About the only people who don't get pissed off are Germans but we're not planning to have the text translated into German (or any other languages for that matter). The recovered territories and the flight of the Germans needs to be covered but I think it'll only get about 6 to 8 pages (by comparison the '39 to '45 camps will be getting at least 30 pages) and the post '45 camps 3 or 4 pages at most.

There's a very fine line between telling the truth and pissing off so many people that nobody wants to buy the book and nobody wants to stock it either. That said, to paint over the history of the post '45 camps completely would be wrong and there are things to see at the sites of those camps, so they do have to go in.

The Jews did the same.So why does israeli youth not visit the camps where Jews kept the Poles?Are they far for them?

its in poland now



whatever role polish people played in this chapter of history, this is a problem that poland has to come to terms with.

slowly poland is acknowledging and admitting it too played a role in the persecution of jews during WWII. its been hard for them to do, and there has been much denial but the facts are coming out and slowly the truth is known

False Poles haven't been operating any Nazi camps durring WWII (as UNESCO pointed out).


It is good material ... maybe as you pointed out not popular.

True however the fact that the camps were in Poland has nothing to do with Polish anti-semitism which is what has been suggested by Harry (is that name taken from the cockney rhyming slang?). The camps were built in Poland because:

1)Poland had the largest Jewish population
2)Poland had an effective rail infrastructure for the moving of the 'cargos'.
3) The Poles were next on the hit list of ethnic groups for liquidation.

If we want to talk about anti-semitism during WW2 we should be looking more at the French who were willingly handing over Jews to the Germans faster than the Germans could process them and the Hungarians who actually paid the Germans to take the Jews away.

Can you give me a link to what you are referring to?

query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E0D81430F93AA25757C0A9679C 8B63

I believe this is being disputed. Now onto the Jewish that killed Polish. Like the ones running the camps in Siberia? You see none of this would have been possiable provided the Jewish sitting beside Stalin setting the stage.

It seems Jewish felt they are better than the non Jewish. Even today Gaza see's starving on one side of the fence. I am not saying that Jewish were not victim's, but there were no Polish running Siberia with Stalin.

yes carol, by the likes of you who refuse to accept that anyone polish could ever have done anything to to anybody

but it seems kwasniewski, JP2 and polands primate (which is another word for monkey) have no problem holding their hands up to being jew burners

You are right and I do not disaggree. My point is lets not forget the whole ugly truth. Be it the Jewish or the Polish. We are aware of what the Polish have done for the Jewish in Poland. They tried to give them a place to call home in Poland. This was not enough as you can see in "The Other Truth" by Jagna Wright and Aneta Naszynska. Jewish wanted their own country within Poland.

Now tell me what the Jewish did for Poland. Can you say they respected non Jewish?

yeah but lets not dwell on it and talk about nothing else.

i know that the jewish wanted their own country within poland but dont kow a great deal about it. whether this would have been a good thing for poland or not i can only speculate.

what the jews did for poland whilst there i have no idea and to brutally honest i dont really care. whether they respected the non jewish i dont know either but given their current record i tend to doubt it. but again, i dont really care... its just all a mass of people moaning about how hard done by they are and proclaiming their innocence from any sort of wrong doing.

It did indeed but vast majority of such cases happened after Gerries took over a part of Poland, which had been occupied by Soviets. And that's not surprising for anyone, who knows what was going on there in 39-41. But obviously somebody "admitting Polish role" is "in the west" seen as "progressive" and "cool" almost as much as he would be a garbage selecting and tree huging gay when somebody pointing out huge and very well documented Jewish collaboration with Soviets is "anti-Semitic" of course.



Are you sure about this one ?

in the 'west' we believe that acknowledging and accepting is an essential step in moving forward, but not necessarily cool and progressive. cool and progressive is dropping a stinky in mixed company and owning up to it