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Easy_Terran
  May 8, 08, 12:53  #151

BubbaWoo:
whatever role polish people played in this chapter of history, this is a problem that poland has to come to terms with.
That's sounds pretty serious, as if Poland played a key role in killing Jews.

BubbaWoo:
Mr. Kwasniewski has spoken forthrightly about Polish responsibility for Jedwabne, as has Prime Minister Jerzy Buzek
And this is that history that Poland is coming to terms with? Do you even know what happened in eastern part of Poland between 1939-1941?

Kilkline:
3) The Poles were next on the hit list of ethnic groups for liquidation.
Not quite. Poles were the first. Jews came into play in 1941.


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BubbaWoo
  May 8, 08, 12:55  #152

Easy_Terran:
That's sounds pretty serious, as if Poland played a key role in killing Jews.


the important word was 'whatever'

Easy_Terran:
Do you even know what happened in eastern part of Poland between 1939-1941?


i have absolutely no idea. perhaps we should discuss it on the forum sometime

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Easy_Terran
  May 8, 08, 13:08  #153

BubbaWoo:
i have absolutely no idea. perhaps we should discuss it on the forum sometime

Perhaps we should. Fact is that accusing whole nation without confronting the whole story, without getting familiar with the realities of those times, without knowing geo-politics of 'em - is simply unfair.

Poles killed Jews in Jedwabne? Oh, mother*****s. I hate them.

Why did it happen?
What was going on there?
Was there any reason?
Who exactly was there?
Did Jan Kowalski wake up on one Tuesday and said 'I am bored. Gonna organize some pogrom today'? or did he have a reason?

I am not justyfying the murder of 300 people.
Spitting on some people without knowing the whole picture is not a good move, though.


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BubbaWoo
  May 8, 08, 13:15  #154

actually there was a degree of irony when i said i had absolutely no idea, perhaps its something to discuss

the point being made again and again and again is about the denial and excuses

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celinski
  May 8, 08, 13:23  #155

BubbaWoo:
denial and excuses



Bingo, this is what I'm waiting for. We are not talking small #'s here. 1.7 million and bodies of our loved ones in unmaked graves. Tell me this nation does not know. Poland can speak out and 300 Jewish is a very small number to throw back.

Not that each and every one should not be remembered and the ones responsable held accountable, I never want to be as cold and uncaring as the ones ignoring the plight of my family. but my God look at eastern Poland and what took place.


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BubbaWoo
  May 8, 08, 13:27  #156

celinski:
Bingo, this is what I'm waiting for.


yeah but you havent addressed the constant denial and excuses for any polish wrong doing C, youve immediately reverted back to the plight of your family

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celinski
  May 8, 08, 13:59  #157

BubbaWoo:
but you havent addressed the constant denial and excuses for any polish wrong doing


celinski:
Not that each and every one should not be remembered and the ones responsable held accountable, I never want to be as cold and uncaring as the ones ignoring the plight of my family.



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Harry
  May 8, 08, 14:55  #158

celinski:
I believe this is being disputed.

Not by anybody who has half a brain and a vague clue about history. But your posts show that you are missing at least one of those two things.

celinski:
Now onto the Jewish that killed Polish.

Yes, let's all talk about how you've been a victim your whole life and how your poor family suffered so greatly. Do you ever talk about anything else?

celinski:
Like the ones running the camps in Siberia? You see none of this would have been possiable provided the Jewish sitting beside Stalin setting the stage.

Yes, it was all the fault of the Jews.

celinski:
there were no Polish running Siberia with Stalin.

Felix Dzerzhinsky, Iron Felix and founder of what became the KGB, was of course Jewish wasn't he Carol?
Oh, actually, sorry, I mean he was Polish and not a Jew. How does it feel to learn that a Pole created the KGB Carol? What was I saying about having half a brain and a vague clue about history?

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osiol
  May 8, 08, 15:06  #159

Harry:
Yes, it was all the fault of the Jews

Without resorting to sarcasm, can you answer any of the other questions you've been asked, including my slightly ironic question about an Italian POW camp?


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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  May 8, 08, 15:16  #160

Carol, you don't have to stoop down to the level of this savage and respond to his provocations. Just ignore the psychotic creature.

This Harry sews even their "Jews-pre-ameba historians" and anthropologist reservists :)


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Grzegorz_
  May 8, 08, 15:28  #161

True... Screw the clown... oy...


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Harry
  May 9, 08, 03:15  #162

Ah, group hug!

Poor innocent Poles. Say how the Jews are always nasty and the Poles are always nice, and some bastard hits you with facts about the history which Poland would prefer to forget.

How dare the nasty man point out that a Pole set up and ran the Cheka while it murdered up to half a million people!

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Jukrek
Edited by: Jukrek  May 9, 08, 04:48  #163

www.savingjews.org

"Few people know that among all the countries occupied by the Third Reich during the Second World War (1939-1945) only in Poland was any kind of help to a person of Jewish faith or origin punishable by death. This penalty was widely announced by the occupying authorities. What is more, this punishment was quite often imposed not only on the rescuer, but also on his/her family, often on neighbors, and on whole towns or villages. The Germans believed in collective responsibility, trying to eliminate as many Poles, and Slavic people, as possible, making them the most terrorized populations after the Jews and the Gypsies. Close to three million Polish Christians lost their lives by execution, torture, starvation, or overwork in more than 2,000 prisons, forced labor and concentration camps."

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z_darius
  May 9, 08, 09:03  #164

Harry:

Poor innocent Poles. Say how the Jews are always nasty and the Poles are always nice, and some bastard hits you with facts about the history which Poland would prefer to forget.

Many nations prefer not to remember some things:

After much agonizing, the British concluded that the only place they could send the Jews was to the British-controlled zone of postwar Germany, where the Jews could be placed in camps and screened for extremists.

After Germany, many of the passengers were eventually detained in military camps in Cyprus along with other Jews deported from Palestine. When the state of Israel was founded in 1948, the Exodus' passengers were able to move there.

The Exodus' ordeal focused world attention on the British blockade of Palestine and the plight of Jews fleeing Europe after World War II.

source.


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Kilkline
  May 9, 08, 10:18  #165

Grzegorz_:
Kilkline:
and the Hungarians who actually paid the Germans to take the Jews away.


Are you sure about this one ?


My mistake, I meant the Slovaks. The Slovakian government paid the Nazis 500 Reichmarks for each Jew deported from Slovakia. 60,000 Slovakian Jews were handed over to the Nazis at a cost of 30 million Reichsmarks.


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z_darius
  May 9, 08, 10:21  #166

Indeed, Hungarians paid nothing. Mostly rich Hungarian Jews (over 1000 of them) paid to be left alone, while pointing fingers at their much less well off compatriots.

"Eichman in Jerusalem" is a very interesting and revealing book.


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Frank
  May 9, 08, 11:41  #167

Again......what a dividing and unrewarding thread.....

Please point the finger of blame jointly at your wonderful neighbours......Germany and Russia...both the home to the most destructive and craven of regimes in all mankind's history.

How the races, nations and religions of Europe responded to the horrendous results of invasion and long term occupation, is heart breaking in some circumstances, but up-lifting in others.

Please do not beat up on each other because of past injustices dumped on you by other sub-human regimes.

Everyone was a victim.


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celinski
  May 9, 08, 14:55  #168

Frank:
Everyone was a victim.


This is true. Why is it that history does not show this? I am not saying there were not Jewish victim's. Have you tried to ask about Catholic victim's in Holocaust? I have and more often than not if you don't stay on the script written by Holocaust you are called "anti semitic".

Frank can I ask you what roles Jewish had in Nazi or Soviet military?


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ElvisPresley
  May 9, 08, 17:16  #169

im a jew!
but im proud to be of polish distinction,i was not born in poland but my descent is polish.
id fight for poland if i was polish but im not so i cant.
i feel sorry for the polish who were killed in the war and the jews killed.
i see the main perpetrator as the germans.

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Jukrek
  May 9, 08, 17:20  #170

ElvisPresley:
ut im proud to be of polish distinction,i was not born in poland but my descent is polish.

cool :)

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ElvisPresley
  May 9, 08, 17:22  #171

dont see jews as foreign people,we have the same slavic ethnic as most poles.
i know im a pure european

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Grzegorz_
  May 9, 08, 17:23  #172

Good...


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Frank
  May 9, 08, 17:25  #173

celinski:
Frank can I ask you what roles Jewish had in Nazi or Soviet military?


Sorry Celinski, am not an historian.......and can't answer your question......BUT I have no doubt if we looked hard enough we could example many groups/peoples who failed in their duty to fellow citizens or made poor decisions...perhaps you can enlighten us anyway?

Genocides, wholesale destructions of lots of religions/races/nations happened......but the holocaust was perhaps the deepest depth any nation could descend to in pursuit of their aims.

Horrendous.


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southern
  May 9, 08, 17:28  #174

I don't think any Jew in Nazi military would skip Hitler's attention.

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espana
  May 9, 08, 17:28  #175

ElvisPresley:
i know im a pure european

you are "The King of Rock 'n' Roll" an american singer "The King"
you are not european!!!!


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ElvisPresley
  May 9, 08, 17:31  #176

espana:
you are "The King of Rock 'n' Roll" an american singer "The King"
you are not european!!!

haha we have a funnyman
i was born in eindhoven nederland so i european for sure ;)
elvis presley was part jewish which i have no doubt was polish jewish

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Crnogorac
Edited by: Crnogorac  May 9, 08, 17:56  #177

ElvisPresley:
dont see jews as foreign people,we have the same slavic ethnic as most poles.i know im a pure european


Use google search engine and type in Khazar or Khazaria.

Khazaria

The Ashkenazim Jews, who now comprise 90% of the Jews in the world, had a rather strange beginning. Sometime during the 13th Century, the Khazars were driven from their land and they migrated westward with most of them settling in Poland and Russia. These Khazars are now known as Ashkenazim Jews.



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ElvisPresley
  May 9, 08, 18:00  #178

i know about the khazars but im a slav as are most jews i know,a recent dna test in israel of people of european descent 89% had pure european blood.

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southern
  May 9, 08, 18:07  #179

ElvisPresley:
i know about the khazars but im a slav as are most jews i know,a recent dna test in israel of people of european descent 89% had pure european blood.


Very likely.It would be interesting to see R1a percentage among Ashkenazi Jews.
IQ of the latter is 105,similar to Poles who were their neighbours.
Arabic Jews have IQ 95 like Arabs.

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ElvisPresley
  May 9, 08, 18:14  #180

alot of the best boxers were jewish poles,jews have won more boxing titles than anyother race.

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