Jews...and their Polish experience

Yes because you were cowardly looking and did f**k all. Just accuse from your warm island, easy isnt it?

You asked the questin - we answer you, you are wrong, there is no more antisemitism in Poland than in Europe, in fact there is less. Jewish nation confirmed that in article I posted.

The same rabin who was attacked said in this article that Poland is seen WRONG by Western Europe as anti-Jews country proof is that he feels safe in Poland and during so many years living in Poland was attacked once.

And btw how can you make 40 million nation responsible for the one who attacked. Sorry but this question comes : Are you dumb?

No....you can't come to that conclusion......the only reason other countries fought was because they were attacked..........you logic is completely missing?

Did you big bear Russian neighbour come to your aid...no.....did any other ...no...who declared war and at least stood up to germany...?...whose people were part of that army....?...well there ya go!



That is great to know.....but I did ask about 100yrs ago...pre war...and during the communist period..........any feedback?



Ah...I see I am edcuating you Ola...glad to be of service...........am only asking questions Ola....not attacking you, your family or Poland.......




Eeeemmmmm...it appears you've asked yourself this question...and answered in the positive!

OK, the headache is not so terrible, so here we go...

Jews were invated to Poland in the Middle Ages, when they were persecuted in the most of Western Europe, they even got special rights, which other people didn't have, sure that wasn't pure love, but Poland was losing many people in countless wars, so simply needed more people, but anyway facts matter. Without that Jews If survived would be something like native Americans today.

It got worse in 19th century, when Poland lost independence and Poles realized that minorities, especially Jews didn't really care abou that. That's when the whole Polish nationalism was born, before people in Poland were first of all divided into nobelmen and peasants, not into nationalities. Jews not only weren't patriotic, usually they didn't even bother to learn the language and assimilate.

During WW2 not so many people were helping Jews, but very few collaborated (Poland was the only country without collaboration government or any other serious collaboration forces) and most were just trying to survive, 3 million Polish "goys" (non Jews) were killed and they couldn't help themselves, so how they could help someone else ?

If you ask If there was anti-semitism in Poland, the answer can't be other than yes, but Poland and Poles generally did more good than bad for Jews and anti-Semitism in 19th and early 20th century was maybe not justified but let's say not surprising in that situation.

Unfortunately many Jews (especially American) today is spreading anti-Polish propaganda, which especially in case of WW2 and a country, which lost the most and a nation, which suffered less than only Jews and Gypsies is shocking and simply disgusting.

Let's take a look at this from your first post:
"Post war only 4 of the 700 survived. He returns to his home after the war to find it occupied by 3 families who denied him access and berated him for wanting it back."

For a western reader, who has little idea about situation in Poland during and after WW2 that's of course "Polish antisemitism", the author knows that, so of course he "forgot" to add that about 50% of buildings in Poland were destroyed or seriously damaged (in Warsaw over 90%), so people were moving to whatever was still standing. What these 3 families should have done ? Got frozen looking at the empty house, whose owners were probably dead ? Or take their children and leave to the forest, when mr. owner came back and wanted to have a large house only for himself ?

By the way, about attack on a rabbi... you know how he was "attacked" ? Some guy threw a few fu*ks at him, pushed him and run away, there are probably a few thousand of such "attacks" every day in London alone and that this was "widely reported" is not a prove of anti-semitism but rather anti-Polonism.

Grzegorz,

Very informative. Thanks.

Grzegorz_...a big thanks for that fulsome and hopefully useful post , to both me and other board users.

I am only trying to cut through, the hype, propaganda, one off experiences and denial that encircles our lives, and indeed history in general.



This I am aware of........as indeed where other faiths in Eurpoe over many centuries.



Didn't know this.....why, what were they...how did the local population react?



So, the populace and government, church though it ok to be anti-semitic? Or....more complex....





This is what I am trying to ascertain...ie are the history books correct, or selective.....was/is this taught in schools?




Why is this......what has your governement, media done to correct or bolster their own view?..........



I only quoted a small part of a review...so don't condemn him on this. His personal experience is as valuable and useful as anyone elses...frequently...more useful, as he isn't a full blown historian/government figure.



I can see your point...but another wrong...won't make it any better or right.....!!

Please fill us in on other points or queries I raised...I want to understand...and welcome other views....

Attack on Rabi:

Some Pole screamed at him: "Polska dla Polaków", and after that he punched him, one single shot and not so much heavy. After 10 seconds the Pole run away, and the Jew was chasing him for a few meters. The same day Rabbi is on TVN24 - the best Polish TV and widely reported about this, President said: "In Poland there is no place for Anti-JUDAISM". The Pole was prisoned very fast.

I'm wondering if GYPSY can count the same if they will be attack by Polish Rascal?

And to this I would add: has anyone ever known a poor Jew? Wedel the most famous chocolate company in Poland was owned by a Jew (now owned by Cadbury).

This post isn't even worth comment on...laughable.......

So you'd be equally dismissive of a Catholic priest being attacked....?....breathtaking....!

and why exactly is it laughable? And can you please stop using so many punctuaction marks in your posts or ...................is that...............an Irish thing??????????.....)))????

perhaps you are hiccuping when you type?

Not at all...its a spurious...racist, anti-semitic comment.....typical of the poster...

No decent human being would condone attacks on another human being and I certainly do not approve of anyone attacking Jews, whatever their status or financial situation. However, it is a fact that Jews are normally clever, talented and industrious people and you would be hard pressed to find a poor Jew. Therefore the ones claiming the houses back after WWII were certainly not poor either.

Racist? Don;t make it laugh. My best friend is Jewish. Idiot.

It is nothing wrong with Jews to be poor- they usually work hard for it.

.......................errrr..............oh.......................... .......ermm.............OK...Frank

Another racist comment............really you're quite removed from reality...aren't you....




He/she doesnt need any enemies then....



....aww....you wasted all your time posting this......

So you'd be equally dismissive of a Catholic priest being attacked....?....breathtaking....!


Frank,

You take things bit out od context. Yes it was racist attack but how many racists attacks of BNP supporter happened in Uk...? .shoutling England for English? I would guess quite a few.
Each country has these kind of people - very right racist wing. But as it happened that it was jewish rabin- it got blown out of proportion. POLISH SUCH A RACIST NATION

Frank,

Are you Dr jekyll and me Hyde? .....from your over tolerant boring pose to very rude and unpleasant one.

But your are just little boring moron playing some tolerant poses.

Frank, I think you have been on the booze. Ease off, will you, and stop attacking us. Why do you come on here again? I mean what is your Polish connection?

Why...though.....?...who did the blowing out of proportion? He's a religious man, holy - who should be held in esteem, but was attacked...I would expect the same reporting on anyone who holds such a position....catholic, protestant etc.



I was only refering to anti-semitic sentiments....



You're having a laugh..........



And any of your arguments are infantile...typical of someone who isn't able to debate, argue, answer queries in a reasonable fashion....

Free speech....if you feel attacked....it wasn't me.......got a guilt complex...?

And any of your arguments are infantile...typical of someone who isn't able to debate, argue, answer queries in a reasonable fashion....

You answers are reasonable.....

You are very boring person....sad to say this.....

no sense of humour, boring with lots.......which mean nothing.....and rude.

Lol.....well needless to say you're way off target...wonder who were you aiming at........perhaps it was a boomerang shot..and its rebounded back to you?

Are you going to make any contribution to my questions or just sulk....come on Iwona you can do better........am always willing to give people a chance to redeem themselves......

You attacked me first. I never start personal attacks at people -it is very low- but when attacked I get angry.


Grzegorz post was very sensible and reasonable -it is not much to add.
I don't have anything against Jews they are hard working people and yes lots of them are rich but they work hard for it.I respect it. But...some poeple are jealous and don't like it.

Of course Rabi is holy person who should be hold in esteem...the same like catholic priest...pastor....but I would be careful at these descriptions. What is the difference between Rabi being attacked and some old foreign lady being attacked? - both attacks are based on racist attitude.No jsutification for it.

What grzegorz said:
Unfortunately many Jews (especially American) today is spreading anti-Polish propaganda, which especially in case of WW2 and a country, which lost the most and a nation, which suffered less than only Jews and Gypsies is shocking and simply disgusting.

It is true. How many foreign people are racially offended or pushed in London every day?
But PROPAGANDA- makes one accident to be bigger that other.


The problem with some jews is that they like to make themselves to be always seen as victims.I don't know why? I guess it is something connected with their history, problems with no having their own country...

I found this unworthy of you iwona and surprised that you made it......or did I mis-construe it?...perhaps I got angry?...?

Thank you for your follow up contribution,

Again, must assume this man was recognisable as a Rabbi...ergo attacking a leader/symbol of that faith.....ergo seen as an attack on all things/aspects of that faith.......totally anti-semitic in origin.....?



I don't know how true this is........they have asaying in Israel...."never again"........referring to the holocaust and how they were virtually wiped off the face of European map...understandable!

Thank you Iwona...

found this unworthy of you iwona and surprised that you made it......or did I mis-construe it?...perhaps I got angry?...?

It was my fault, my grammar structure of this sentence was bad- I meant to say that they are rich but they work hard for it. For us polish it is second language so sometimes we we made stupid mistakes.


The problem with some jews is that they like to make themselves to be always seen as victims

I think that they are a little similar to polish. Their history is rather sad and in our past we were so many times invaded by our neighbours ....that is why we can feel sometimes a bit like a victims.

Frank how about your countrymen that attack Polish immigrants and their children, they are so scared that they send their childred to catholic schools with....police! And at times Irish thow something and abuse Polish childeren that go to school. Polish people that come to Ireland are often attacked for being catholic, at times they are afraid to go outside. It happens now in your country, in Poland any foreigner is not treated like that.

You being Irish how dare you saying us about racism?

First look at your sins before you point finger at other nation.

You didnt come here to discuss, you come here to accuse and stick little pins in every post you write.

Yes I agree...this is unacceptable..and I hate to see it happen........its usually when Catholic Polish people have moved into Protestant areas when NO catholics are tolerated full stop...so your countrymen need to do some research before they arrive.....

This history goes back to the Normans...in 1170...then more recently......16th century when tens of thousands of people from Scotland, England effectively took over all the land of use, in Ireland....



Nope...have not done this... I asked about anti-semitism...only....look closer at my post...Ola...out of context...mis-representing me...again....!!!!



And...no...afraid you got this wrong too........am asking for info, experiences...read my first post again....please Ola......