Jews...and their Polish experience

im glad to hear it :-)

I personally don't have a problem with Jews except the fact that any criticism against Israel is automatically branded as anti-semitism and racist. I definitely have a problem with Israeli foreign policy. Their similar to the palatines and both sides are almost equally responsible. But to be honest the US UK and Russia are responsible for their decisions at the Yalta conference. Almost forgot Germany witch started this whole mess.

A brief history of "ww2 history":

1939-45 Germans attacked Poland and killed Jews
1950 - German Nazis attacked Poland and killed Jews
1960 - Nazis attacked Poland and killed Jews
1970 - Jews were killed in Nazi occupied Poland
1980 - Jews were killed in Poland
1990 - Poles killed Jews
2000 - Poles like killing Jews

I am so confused with any neo nazis in Poland. Don't their parents or others say anything. Its one thing to not like Jews but why have Hitler as your hero. Don't they know Hitler didn't like Poles either. Don't they know Hitler killed Poles. **** its bad enough your a extreme racist at least have the deceny to worship a racist that didn't murder poles(this is somewhat satire)

One think I liked about communist Poland was the law against anything nazi. People could get a lengthy jail sentence just for a nazi salute.

Darius Im with you on that law. Also quick reply to previous posts. The Israeli don't target inncocent people purposefully they are just caught in the way because arabs use them as human shields and on the otherhand the arabs specifically target civilians. However if Israel withdrew to their original borders the arabs would not have any excuse to attack them. Not saying they would stop but their would be no logic to it except revenge and the whole world would see the arabs are unreasonable. Then I think more countries would support Israel. However if the arabs did stop the attacks then their would be peace. its a win win for Israel. So by them not willing to withdrawel they are just as guilty as the palatines. Like to add if you would withdrawel and they still attacked I would personally join the Israeli army. If allowed.

yes,you could join one of the many IDF units made up of Arabs......

That was part of the logic behind our withdrawal from southern lebanon a few years back. But Hizbullah started fighting again after they used the quiet to build bunkers and rocket launchers all over the south. When they attacked in summer 2006 there was no Israeli soldier in Lebanon.
It was also the logic behind the withdrawal from the Gaza strip, which included uprooting several Jewish towns and farming villages. There is not a single Jew in all the of the Gaza strip since then, and yet Hamas is firing rockets from there into civilian targets in Israel every day.

The arabs don't need an excuse to attack Israel. Israel's existence, inside any border at all, is the excuse. It's not a win-win situation. Wherever we withdrew, the situation got worse. Controlling other people is not a good situation but it's better than being hit with rockets.

2008:Poles killed Jews and Germans.

You're right that the story changes as people's perspective changes. In the end you can't even recognize the original events.
Today it's become fashionable for "enlightened" people to take the blame for all the world's problems. When I visited Auschwitz, an American girl on our tour said "We're all to blame for Auschwitz", meaning the whole world. I argued with her on the spot and told her that if we're "all to blame" then really no one is to blame. You can't let the Germans off that easy. They were to blame, and so was anyone who helped them.

here we are, Poles don't feel responsible. Polish point of view: 3 mln Jews killed 3 mln Poles killed. Polish home army was killing collaborators. Do you feel guilty because of Jewish Police collaborating with Germans in Gettos ? no because most of Jews were vitims.

I didn't say anything about Poles. I said that whoever helped the Germans to do what they did was also to blame. I think you can agree with that.

yes

even though the israeli governement withdrew they did not withdrawal to the original borders. so the terrorists keep using that as an excuse and for the west its hard to argue with that. so if israel did withdrawal then all in the west would have no choice to agree with israel if the attacks continue because they would be convinced that the arabs will never agree to peace.

In Gaza we pulled out completely to the old border.
In Lebanon we also pulled out to the old border and the UN confirmed that. Then the Hizbullah claimed that the Shaba farms area ( a tiny area of a few square kilometers overlooking the northern galilee) was part of Lebanon too. But the UN and Israel say it's part of the Golan which was taken from Syria in 1967. That piece of territory is subject to negotiations with Syria, if and when that happens. So you see, the Hizbullah will use any excuse to attack. If we gave them Shaba, they would claim that some villages in Israel are also theirs (they already started talking about something like that).

kaliszer wrote:

In Gaza we pulled out completely to the old border.

Sure, Kalizer...but why stay in Gaza when you can surround it with troops, jets, helicopters and bulldozers when you cna go in anytime you want and decimate the city and the people, while operating from a safe distance?...tell me, do your Noachide laws come into play when you attack Palestinian women & children, not to mention the men?...or, are they idolaters subject to death?...now, many Palestinians ARE radicalized,
but when dealing with a state that has as it's ultimate aim expulsion of all Palestinians,
what would a reasonable person expect?...the Jews are still collecting money from Germany for it's racist policies: why shouldn't the Palestinians get a billion or so a year from the Israeli government for reparations?...after all, you took their land...you are from Lithuania, Poland, Latvia or somewhere in Eastern Europe: this is the land of your forefathers, not the Holy Land....fair is fair.

the situation is complicated all I advocate is return to orginal borders created after ww2 what ever they are I would have to see the orginal ww2 document. not only in lebanon or gaza but everywhere you occupy since the arab israeli war. if you do that then you will have my complete support. even will serve in your army once you do that to keep the peace.

I read this and thought of a certain post I just recently read on another message board.


"The reason why the Jews were unable to revolt is because no one was on their side.

When the Germans came to Poland to take away the Jews, the Poles LET THEM. They helped round them up. They helped make it all happen. Same in Czechoslovakia. Same in Russia. Same thing everywhere the Nazis went.

What you fail to understand - all of you - is that NOBODY CARED ABOUT THE JEWS.

Well...not nobody....but nobody big enough to be willing to fight for them.

It was only when the real atrocities started to be known that anyone started to care. Or rather, should I say, once the faint outline of the atrocities came to be known. In truth, I believe that very few people actually knew what was going on in the camps until after they were liberated."

z_darius wrote:

A brief history of "ww2 history" 'Polish-style':

1939-45: Nazis & Communists view Poland as 'piece of meat' at the butcher shop and take turns hacking at the carcass.
1944-45: 'Big 3': Roosevelt, Churchill agree Poland is worthy of only betrayal, so they
decide that 'Uncle Joe' Djugashvilli can bring it permanently ino the 'Communist orbit'.
1939-45: Nazis come hunting for Jews in Poland; Communists use them as 'fifth column' to 'pacify' Poland

NOBODY CARED ABOUT THE JEWS.

This is true to a large extent...and if they did care, it was in a negative way...but which
Jews really suffered?...it was the average, poor Jew who didn't have the means or con-
nections to escape or buy off the authorities...remember this: it is always the poor people who suffer most in war, because they are just so much cannon fodder...but let's
not forget the millions of poor Poles, Germans, Ukranians, Russians and others who were just meat for the grinder also...when the well-armed criminals come, woe to the
average decent person.

Looks like your trying your CNN tactics' and warped logic here again to confuse the forum and come out looking like the victim.

Lets talk facts....forget about 1967 for a minute....and try to get to the roots of the issue...

The population of Israel is now 80% Jewish, from the original 2% in 1870. That's serious population growth it sounds like enthnic cleansing...so you were talking about keeping the Shaaba Farms which you took in 1967.

its not ethnic cleansing lol their has been mass immigration to israel from poland russia usa and many other countries.. not defending israeli policy but lets not make up sh*t. also for you who said the ethnic cleansing comment. tell me what you would do if rockets and sucide bombers target your country. I see it as self defence. my problem is that you wouldn't need to defend yourself if you went back to your original borders.

There were no borders at that point. At the end of WWII the palestine mandate included all of what is now Israel, Gaza and the West bank. The UN voted to divide the area between a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews accepted this compromise and declared independence on the day the British left. All the Arab countries and the local Arabs as well refused to accept the UN decision and invaded the jewish state in order to destroy it. Jordan took over what they conquered west of the jordan. Egypt took over gaza. Neither country allowed the creation of a palestinian arab state.When the fighting stopped, there were ceasefire lines that became known as the green line, which was the defacto border between Israel, Egypt and Jordan till 1967 when they attacked again. This time we conquered all of what was in the original mandate.

So going back to original borders would mean going to the ceasefire lines of 1949. Some Israelis advocate that too. I don't. Those weren't international borders but an arbitrary ceasefire line. I personally favor autonomy for arab areas west of the jordan, but not a separate state, which would only be a base for endless terrorism. I don't agree with your assumption that a return to the ceasefire lines would end the terorism since experience has shown that withdrawal has the opposite effect. But this is a legitimate argument and you're entitled to your opinion.

Okay, what you all can even say about Jews. Probably never meet any. So many people think bad of them but i fu*ck don't care on such hypocrites. Why? I'm a Jew.

So you like to think... :)

I have no idea what are you trying to do now.

Nothing! Im not trying to do anything.... ;)

I know well you are at work right now. So move your as*s and do things which they pay you for.

This is acceptance after murdering British soldiers on a scale even the ira never managed,British soldiers who were there to keep the peace between armed arab thugs and armed jewish thugs,often leaning with their support to the jewish organisations only to be literaly stabbed in the back. Israel was created by terrorism,why is anyone surprised it is still experiancing terror? The whole idea of its creation was an ill concieved pipedream and deeply hypocritical as the world had just come out of a devastating war that cost the lives of countless millions against the evils of land grabbing and forgiegn invadors thinking they had divine rights over someone elses homes.

OMG how can you writte such a things about your nation ... yes it is true converts are the worst.

isthatu I agree with you what do you suggest getting rid of israel. it was a mistake of the parties at yalta. its to late israel is not going anywhere, we must except that and learn to go from here. just as the palastines arent going anywhere and we must accept that.