Jews...and their Polish experience

HOW TRUE. Nobody gives a damn but when you start questioning the jews people start shouting denial ,nazi , etc. The list goes on. I agree the holocaust happend but until I start to see realistic numbers im not buying into the thought of 6 million.


"Last week Iran's ambassador to Lisbon, who in the past served as a diplomat in Poland, said in an interview on Portuguese radio that according to his calculations based on a visit to the camp, now a museum, it would have taken the Nazis 15 years to burn the corpses of 6 million people."

link
http://www.rense.com/general69/hl.htm

Excuse me for that



Yes i am, talking about WW2 and the holocaust makes me antisemetic.



I am denying the scale on which it happened



Fine ill add



Oh alright, well i wanted you to read a book called Dyktatura Niedotycalnych by Henryk Pajak. It talks about the jews and their polish experience. Its in Polish though.

Questioning numbers and argueing about topics in WW2 make you anti-semetic? Give me a break. I guess you must be one of the "chosen" people that have made themselves immune to criticism through the holocaust.

This is your original...anti-semitic comment, coupled with"being careful" not to deny it...but say it in another fashion, as it if didn't matter just how many died as long you were happy the figure was exaggerated....and for what reason?.....



Where did this come from.....seems a reasonable to thing say about a race that was nearly wiped out...no.......



You believe by this comment that they are not entitled to reparation......they were plainly the victims of the greatest crime in the history of humaninty...yet you belittle it...

THEY were the victims of the greatest crime, i mentioned Earlier that the Ukrainian Holocaust caused by Stalin resulted in the death of 1 million more people, but you dont see them getting even one penny in reperations.



Are you saying a father of 3 children should risk his entire family to save one old jewish man from a nazi? I think the parents and 3 young kids are more important then one old Jewish guy, but yet he is still demanding money from them. And their are many other cases like this one.



This time in English and without the pointless .........

Good, you got back on thread...leave Joe out of it...tough...eh...put that one on a Russian/Ukrainian board!

You give examples of War myths as if they happened to every Polish person...so debatable.....anyone would do anything to save themselves......not just Jews who were about to be exterminated!

Dunno about your last point..if there was one.

My point of saying it was that he killed more people then hitler did, so the jews were not the victims of the greatest crime, the Ukranians were.



But my point is that now in the year 2006/2007 they are demanding money from the Poles for not protecting them, that is some really stupid crap.



I ment i didnt understand what you were saying. You keep making pointless dots ".........."

Perhaps...but was exterminating the entire Ukrainain population his aim....?...no....ergo not in the same thing...one was a race...another a country.........ie typical "war" casualty number...



I don't know anything about this......references?



Ah...the lines of fullstops has gotten to you too?....lol

Yeah 7 million was just a big pile of colateral damage? Give me a break joseph stalin was worse then hitler.

Hey....Bojownik...you've gone off thread again..............


Feel free to start one on J Stalin!

Yes it was.



They were both a Race.



There was no war going on, Stalin sent his troops to destroy Ukranians food supplies in order to starve them to death.



Lol. im only laughing because you have confused me further.

Ok....points taken.....however I am sure there were lots of races living in Ukraine who died too, not just ethnic Ukrainians...(?)....wereas Jews...were all singled out,..on thread....not really...........?....off to bed....nite!

Nope He was only after The Ukranians. He specifically wanted them all dead. The only Jews involved were Stalin and his buddies.

The number of all Jews killed in the camps is probably 3-3.5 million, the total number of Jews killed during WW2 is 5-5.5 million.

OMG, that is ANTISEMETIC, you cannot question that 6 million died by Zyklon B gas.

I know.

Glad you understand, lol.

Guys, again deflecting from the thread...................questioning, demeaning, laughing at another races agony....isn't on...so its ok to brutalise and demean the millions of Polish people who lost their lives?

NO.

frank its great to have you on board, but are you polish and what is your interest in this forum?

Right back at ya......Lef...is there a test to pass to be allowed to post?

no test, no nothing providing you have a genuine interest, a sense of humour helps.
Its nice to have the irish on board, as a matter of interest two of my cousins live in ireland and they love it, didn't even want to return to poland for christmas(bit of a worry)
I have a few friends who are Irish and I enjoy there company.

Good, I've met a few guys off the board, been to Poland 3 times, will go back in the spring, enjoyed the country, the people and the differences....

Am also looking for a flat there.......plus we do have to try and reverse the flow of Polish to Ireland.....you know...Irish to Poland...!

Poland is at its moment of re-awakening...it won't be easy, said this many times before, but if Polish people hold firm to their values, see themselves as equals and engage, then the Polish eagle will soar just as the Celtic tiger roared!

Gone off thread......I do like to get a feel for the history, particularly this difficult period/relationship between a single race and a single nation.

I feel it displays the Polish soul/psyche....................am interested, not here just to throw stones...

Thanks for the insight, I admire people who show interest in polish affairs, I found the biggest problem facing non poles living in poland is the language barrier, and no matter how well you speak polish, people will detect an accent. The other one is understanding the polish mentality, nothing wrong with it, but just different.

Thats whats its all about...differences.......BUT...not letting them get completely in the way of living, being civilised and understanding that if everyone was the same....the suicide rate would soar overnight!!

Language is indeed the great barrier for anyone trying to integrate..........but Polish...is extremely difficult to the newbie!

I think we should meet up, get a beer, and talk about the jews.



Lol, good luck with that.



Yes we must try to make Poland a better place



Many years ago when the Jews were kicked out of European Nations, The King Of Krakow at the time invited the Jews into Poland, saying it was a safe haven for the jews. So many jews came and setteled in different parts of Poland. One place which got a major Kosherizing was a town called Lejzask, which even to this day has a very famous jewish cemetary and a large jewish Population that pilgrimiages to this cemetary every year.

The jews in Poland were always considered outcasts by the Polish people and many Poles disliked them for centuries even this day. There have been many massacres of Jews by the Polish people, especially after the end of WW2. The last Polish President Kwasniewski was in fact an orthodox jew, who changed his name and dropped orthodox clothing so he could become president, if a jew ran for president, nobody would vote for him except the 40,000 jews in Poland. Kwasniewski apologized to the jews for what Poland did to them, even though we saved them from extinction centuries before when they had no home land to go to and many enemies after them. Pope John Paul II who was Polish apologized to the jews for Christian crimes against them, and also i beleive under him it was stated that the jews did not kill Jesus Christ, even though its quite obvious that it was.

Thats a brief history on jews living in Poland

Not a pretty sight then......is it?

Lots of religions were kicked out of lots of nations......what gave the Polish the edge in this hatred?

Is it the same as now...Poland...only for the Polish.......?

But you are now in the EU...all your young folk have gone to other countires to earn a living......should the rest of Europe treat Polish people like the Jews were once treated?.........short answer no.......

We saved them, then they began to leach off us, we realized why they were kicked out, and did the same.



Example



Yes Poland for the Polish, Ireland for the Irish



They should send them back, like they should send the pakis back to pakistan and everyone else to wherever they came from.

...too ..too...late.............its all over now......Poland for all of the EU.....

Still peddling your anti-semite views.......pathetic.

Nah, Soon Turkey will want to enter and the Union will collapse, as it should.



You sound like a rabbi i once talked to, he just kept saying ANTI SEMITE ANTI SEMEITE ANTI SEMEITE, no matter what i said, i couldnt debate with him at all.

All you've done is peddle examples of anti-semite views.........sort of proof of the pudding is in the eating......