Jews...and their Polish experience

David Duke the former KKK and white pride leader, great man to be looking to for your enlightenment. This thread should be closed as any intelligent discourse stops when the name David Duke, starts. Kruk will be watching you Witek and your racist cronies.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

for more on Grand Wizard Duke check out the link.

I may have called Witek something meant for The egyptian please forgive me so many posts I confused the two !! In any case David Duke is a racist former grand wizard of the KKK. If i misguided my reply Witek please forgive me, if not my comments stand

"6 million jews is a blown up figure. Millions of poles did not "die" at the hands of germans. ...The holocaust is a profiting business these days and nothing more. Zions hold it higher then judism."

This is very dangerous territory. If you attempt to deny that many millions of Jews were exterminated, then you are denying history. The Germans kept very good records of the Jews they murdered - read Victor Klemperer's diaries if you don't understand this.

There was much anti-semitism in the UK before the War. There was undoubtedly anti-semitism in Poland too. if you read Norman Davies's books you will learn more; for JEwish youth in the 30s, communism was very fashionable, and thus many Poles, who detested the Russians for their expansionist plans, resented that Polish Jews were allied with the Russians. Hence, there has been anti-semitism. But, as pointed out earlier, no collaboration - as there was, for example, in Vichy France. Poland has nothing to apologise for.

Frank, you have posed a difficult question, I don't think it can be answered concisely in a few words- and to be P.C. From the people I have spoken to eg of my parents generation, from 1920-1939, the Jews had set up a state- their own eg businesses,shops, employing Jews, they were heavily involved in banking, monopolising Polish economy, they had own religion- did not recognise Roman Catholicism- within another state-Poland. Around a third of Warsaw's population was Jewish. On my father's visit to Warsaw he noticed the Jews made a point of not touching Poles. Note Topol's disowning of his third daughter when she marries a Russian in Fiddler on the Roof- yet Marek states this is not a true portrayal of a Jewish family. A well known saying in this period was "Wasze ulice, nasze kamienice", in other words,"your streets, our houses"- this hardly led to conducive relations.
On a personal note, my Grandfather had Jewish business acquantainces, who were entertained in his home. One of them had a son, he came to my Grandfather, who lent money to him, since the money was not repaid, my Grandfather went to the acquantaince to explain the situation. 24 hours later the money arrived via a messenger.

"David Duke the former KKK and white pride leader, great man to be looking to for your enlightenment. This thread should be closed as any intelligent discourse stops when the name David Duke, starts. Kruk will be watching you Witek and your racist cronies"

Please be quiet. This man has made mistakes in the past and has done a wonderful job at zeroing in on zionist's. Nelson mandella is a former murderer ,terrorist and commie. Yet he is a considered a world hero? David duke also has one of the best selling books in the world and has PHd. Go look at the CNN flick where he throws wolf blitzlers words right in the trash on national telivison.

"TheKruk"

If what david duke is saying in that article is untrue ,well why don't you explain what is untrue about it? Rather then making up excuses about a persons past to try to reduce their credibility to zero.


"This is very dangerous territory. If you attempt to deny that many millions of Jews were exterminated, then you are denying history"

Are you jewish? If it is denying history and they are so sure THAT many died why are there people sitting in jail for simply expressing their view on the holocaust? I am aware that places in europe have laws against it. But if they have nothing to hide it should not be a problem. A good majority of jews (not all) create their own anti-semitism through zionism. The IRAN confrence months back was about free speech and having said that free speech is limited and the holocaust was a example. There is no hard evidence about many things is WW2.

These are the main arguments used by what the media likes to call "holocaust deniers".


"PART I - The Holocaust is useful postwar propaganda that started as a systematic, insidious campaign during World War II as one of the tactics employed by moneyed interests to rally the troops and engage the world, specifically America, in what turned out to be, essentially, a fratricidal war.



PART II - There is no proof that the Holocaust, as depicted by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby and the highly politicized Hollywood industry, actually occurred.



PART III - The numbers of "Holocaust" victims are irresponsibly exaggerated.



PART IV - Official state policy towards the Jews in the Third Reich was emigration, not extermination.



PART V - Not a single document has been found with Hitler's signature ordering the extermination of the Jews.



PART VI - Zyklon B was a fumigant. It wasn't a practical agent for mass murder.



PART VII - Zyklon B was highly toxic. This being so, it would have been foolish and counterproductive to endanger Third Reich personnel engaged in allegedly pulling bodies from the execution chambers shortly after they were "gassed."



PART VIII - American execution expert, Fred Leuchter, delivered a scientific break-through in proving that the so-called gas chambers at Auschwitz could not have been used for their alleged purpose."

dont these 2 sort of contradict each other?

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Everyone worth his camels knows that. Bubba, i'm shocked at you, I really am! :)

"dont these 2 sort of contradict each other"

No clue I suppose so. However I did not write the list nor do I agree with all of it. I was simply posting what common things "deniers" use for arguments. I simply think the numbers are exagerated. Much of the anti-german rubbish is the fault of the soviets. A jewish-communist controlled country at the time.

I would like to add if you disagree with the arguments posted. The debunk the deabte with valid arguments. If not then don't bother posting.

Europe awake, seriously, make an account.

What were the gas chambers used for then

That's what all my realtives who lived through it said also.
It's not that they have a deep hatred of jews, it's just that jewish people owned a disproportional amount of polish, german, and czechoslavakian land before WWII. It pissed a lot of people off...including germans who were still reeling from the hardships of getting their asses kicked in WWI. Hitler provided a promise of economic stability, which he kept after taking power. He publicly introduced his racist policies after gaining power.

My great aunt told me stories about how she saved a family of jews by hiding them in their barn. They ended up saving the jews and keeping in touch with them until they reached America. My great aunt died and not one member of the jewish family sent a person to it offering condolences dispite her saving their lives. That pissed everyone in my family off.

History does naturally favor the allies, I mean, after all they got to write the history books.

You are an extremely sick person with nothing but hate or misguided nationalism in your heart. I live in Poland my name is Kruk my mothers Nowicki. Tell my dead ancestors they were not murdered by the Nazi's. tell my grandmother she did not see Nazi stormtroopers murder her friends at the train station in her home town. You are a misguided fool to believe anything David Duke says or anyone who preaches this "Holocaust never happened" or jews want to take over the world nonesense.
The only way for humanity to move forward is together regardless of nation or religion but this is a concept, sadly, man has never learned. So preach your hate White Power is over done a last fart of Hitlers legacy. Besides you'll all probably kill each other at a football match. But as long as you keep raising your ignorance and might I say abject ignorance, How can you debunk lies, how or why debate with someone so misguided and so lost in hate its pointless Europe Awake you are only spreading hate full stop.

Mine too- and not just mine, there is a general consensus- we have not begun to uncover the atrocities committed by the Russians, the problem is -no records, or they still won't release them. Of course Leon Uris doesn't help, spreading supposed anti Semitism by Poles- people forget it's fiction.

Not to be a party pooper, but "White Power" was around for much longer than Hitler's regime. Nazi Germany was just the first nation to make these ideals national policy.

"Are you jewish? "
No. One doesn't have to be to find your arguments pathetic. You must have spent a lot of time avoiding all the works that document the Holocaust. Try reading some of the serious works on Albert Speer, or read Klemperer's diaries, or practically anything that isn't created by weirdos who lurk on the internet.

You missed the point Cas

So called Holocaust did happen, but It's true that some people use It to make money, get special rights etc.

(speaking about David Duke) I would say being elected Grand Wizard of the most notorious hate group in the USA slightly more than a "mistake"
A mistake is a drunk driving citation or not paying a parking ticket.

"You must have spent a lot of time avoiding all the works that document the Holocaust. Try reading some of the serious works on Albert Speer, or read Klemperer's diaries, or practically anything that isn't created by weirdos who lurk on the internet."

Why don't you attempt to debunk the comments above. Do you really think any information that some how shows evidence of the holocaust numbers being smaller would have made it to the mainstream? Give your head a check.

"document the Holocaust"

People from Iran have also documented the holocaust yet their opinion does not count correct?....

"I would say being elected Grand Wizard of the most notorious hate group in the USA slightly more than a "mistake"

Let's not get into hate groups because jews run many of them. Your people are responsible for much blood shed in this world so do not come here crying like you have had it so rough and are so hard done by. Your people created anti-semitism and nobody else.

Oh and by the way your people also killed jesus.

The Edict went public during the week of April 29, 1492. The charter declared that no Jews were permitted to remain within the Spanish kingdom, and Jew who wished to convert was welcome to stay. The power of wealthy Spanish Jewry was inconsequential.

Whether a Jew was rich or or poor did not matter, they all still had to convert or leave. Ferdinand's plans for Spain, as distorted by the Christian racism prevalent in late 15th Century Spain, did not include the one group that had done so much to serve the state.

The Poles killed Jesus ? If you meant that comment for me as I am Polish-American and raised Protestant.

Then why do you follow anti semitism if Jews created it? then your a jew too by that logic. So Shalom

ahh You brought David Duke into this by adding a link to his website and you admit he was Grand Wizard of the KKK and I believe nobody can deny the Ku Klux Klan is a hate group. So really whats your deal whats your agenda White Pride or what be a man or woman admit who you are most other people here have I call you out homey what the heck is in your misguided hate-filled young mind, did your girlfriend run off with an intelligent jewish guy and that lead you over to the dark side? Its not to late open your heart and your mind and life will be better I promise


And how many Iranians were there with eyewitness accounts?

jesus was a jew himself

"eyewitness accounts"

Oh so now we are listening to "eye witnesses" on facts? PLEASE. I am not convinced of anything until it is proven true. These so called "eye witneses" can be exagerateing things. Point being people have brought forth questions and facts on the holocaust in places like germany and have been muzzled and thrown in jail for simply questioning the topic.

"your misguided hate-filled young mind"

Speak for yourself nobody is spewing hatred and foul language here but you. I am by no means young and much wiser then you.

So again since you are so smart and wise to the topic. There is a list for you to debunk and debate. But as shown you know nothing and only hold the mighty shalom as a sheild. If you have evidence of 6 million please show it. Save the stalinlist show trial for a person who cares.

This statement proves your wisdom I bow down to your superior intellect Eyewitnesses are incredibly unreliable. I agree even when I see something I wait 50 years to question if it really happened and trust the Iranian Government to confirm it for me.
Why debunk and debate something my Polish family lived through?
Are You Polish did your grandfather live in Poland during the war?
I apologize but your writings are sophmoric so I gave you the benefit of the doubt I thought only a poisoned young mind could believe this kind of fabrication.

Kruk, are you stating Poles killed Jesus?? This was done through Jewish intervention.

I'm having trouble following your train- are you saying the H. never existed or are you espousing Jewish extermination?

On a lighter note, simmer down boys- go to Funny pics and have a laugh at "White Power" titled "Oops my scalpel slipped" I posted.

Regards, EuropeAwake.

No!!!!!!! Europe Awake said
He thinks because I DO NOT espouse killing Jews I am Jewish. I am Polish-American and Protestant (raised) EuropeAwake denies the Holocaust and he is also much wiser than me because he taught me not to rely on eyewitness accounts to confirm the holocaust actually happened. so today I asked my wifes Babcia (who lived through it in Poland) If the holocaust really happened, and when she said yes it happened I asked her if she confirmed it with the Iranian government., and the former Grand Wizard of the KKK, as EuropeAwake taught me these are the best sources for Holocaust information.

Frank: What is your problem? Why do you attack the Polish people for anti-Jewish sentiments when you ignore the people of Germany, France, Russia, and other European countries. Poland was the first country in Europe to welcome Jews when other countries burned them at the stake during the middle ages...read your history!!!
Fact: Poland was the only country under German occupation which had a death sentence on any Pole who helped a Jew... yet Poland was the country with the most rescuers of Jewish people during the war.
How can you compare Ireland to Poland when Ireland was not attacked and controlled by Germany? You seem to be anti-Polish no matter what the answer is...with no facts to back up your accusations!

Polisham.......it wasn't so much accusatory and yes I acknowledge that lots of Polish people did heroic things for the Jewish population........this is a board about Poland.......hence the question.

I want to understnad.......what happened, attitudes etc as per the post several months ago..., you accuse me of being antiPolish, yet I have visted your country several times and have given employment to several of your countrymen.......anti-Polish......no...why do people jump to conclusions?



Not sure about the first part of this.....wasn't this welcome to other faiths too?

Secondly all over Europe people of many faiths were burnt at the stake...more history readings?...:)

Just going back over a few posts on the first page.....quote from Babylon below.....

"What sick person you are? Typical thinking about "polish antisemitic".""...this is were I was mis understood...what I meant was, was the history of Jews in Poland being taught to in school acknowledging anti-semitiscm at any stage in Poland ....not that anti-semitiscm was being taught now!!!

This is an answer from Gregorscz on page two....who states he is Polish....

"If you ask If there was anti-semitism in Poland, the answer can't be other than yes,""

This is from Aniah.......she doesnt say where she is from.....

"And to this I would add: has anyone ever known a poor Jew?""....I think you'll find more than one poor Jew in the world..........as an entry point for Jews into the UK in the East end of London, there were thousands of poor Jews living, scraping a meagre living just like the local English......another myth.

This from Greg again.............

"but after Piłsudski died in 1935 and quite radical politicians took over the government there were even a few anti-semitic laws passed,"...was wiondering because of what was going on in Germany or Europe generally or just in Poland?




I didn't compare Ireland......again...back to first post...only ever wanted to get views opinions......not here to condemn, or belittle Poland......I now know more.....but not it all.....:)