Jews...and their Polish experience

I won't Matyjasz.

Thank you for the single most informative post...I've seen on nearly every board I have contributed to.

I will re-read this several times and try at least to remember those people who did their best and indeed gave their lives....all heroes....every last one.



Respect to your people.

I'm sure there are western history books about that.

Wanna bet ?

How about the Poles killed by the Jews during WWII?

Take the village of Koniuchy where the whole population, a few hundred men, women and children, were murdered by the Jews- 'partisans'?

According to Norman Finkelstein, when somebody remarked to the famous Jewish writer (but plagiarist and con artist) Jerzy Kosinski that the Poles had done little to help the Jews during WWII, Kosinski (who by that time, i.e. shortly before his suicide, seemed to feel some remorse about his slandering Poles in his book 'The Painted Bird') asked snappingly what the Jews had done to help the Poles?

Jerzy Kosinski should've known better. - He and his parents spent the war protected by Polish villagers, whom young Kosinski later villified in The Painted Bird. And reportedly his father, who after the Russian 'liberation ' joined the Soviet 'security' apparatus murdering Polish patriots, helped arrest and ship to Siberia the very Polish man who had hid him from the Germans.

Sparrow, what do you mean by 'western history books'?
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Great posting, Matyjasz.

Books wrote by historians from Western Europe and USA, who wants to forget that so little western Europeans, has helped Jews during II world war.

"An eye for an eye" by John Sack

w w w.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n1p-9_Sack.html

There are tons of examples of Western Europeans who've helped jews.. From my experience in this part of Western-Europe I could name Anne Frank hiding in Amsterdam, jewish children being given a new identity & hidden in Antwerp & Brussels, the nuns in Bruges & northern France hiding refugee jews.

Another conspiracy theory?

Call it what you want but go and read what Matyjasz wrote and then complain. How many of Western Europeans know about polish sacrifice for Jewish lives? And I am talking about numbers!

I read the entire thread & I'm no intrested in complaining. I've been educated my entire school life in Western Europe & I've been thaught about the sacrifices of Europeans to save jewish lives. Those of Poles as well. So when someone says the W-Europeans aren't aware of it, I beg to differ. 0.02c

Irena Sandler

So, how come so many Western Europeans still call us the bigest anti-semitic country of the world? Where on the world anti-semites die for Jews? And in Israel they wanna make us responsible for Holocaust. How do you explain that?

I'm not a historian or sociologist, I wouldn't know the definite answer.

I travelled a lot & I've lived in different European countries & I have a lot of friends from all around the world. No one considers Poland as the biggest anti-semitic country in the world.

However there have been articles in the past about anti-semitism in Poland, or when Kwasniewski visited Jedwabne or Radio Maryja being hateful towards jews. We do get those kinds of information once in a while.. I read 2 papers every day & I'd have to think really hard when it was the last time I read an article about it though.

All I can say is that children here are thaught of the sacrifice people have made to protect jews from the Nazis, including Eastern Europe, I'd have to dig up my school papers but it's defnitly there :). It's not uncommon to make field trips to Auschwitz either.

Do you have an article or source about Israel wanting to make Poland responsible for the Holocaust? I'd like to read up on that.

Overall, what is your point? Albert Speer was an EYEWITNESS! He was at the Wannsee conference and admitted his own guilt. Norman Davies has documented the numbers in the Holocaust with reports from eyewitnesses, as have others like Anthony Beevor. How can the Holocaust have been a conspiracy, when it was well-documented by photographers, when the actual scale of the slaughter came as a shock?

I'm not angered by your ignorance, I'm saddened. When I was a kid I remember seeing my dad attract racism by Brits who didn't realise that, as a Pole, he had fought to keep their country free, and to get rid of the Nazis. Now you're attempting to perpetuate the same kind of pathetic behaviour. And doing a good job if making all Poles sound racist...

With pleasure. I will post here informations about it when next article will be available.

What could be more factual than actual eye witnesses? How do you think some people get proven guilty & convicted in a court of law?

There was an article with a holocaust cartoon in one of the Israeli newspapers - Haaretz. It says about bad Polish people who want to kill young Jewish girls and good German who helps them.

I find it disgusting and think that the author is trying to shift the blame on Polish people.

(I read about it in Rzeczpospolita where you can see one picture ww.rzeczpospolita.pl/gazeta/wydanie_070510/swiat/swiat_a_9.html)

Unfortunately I cannot find the source with the pics on the Israeli newspaper web page (maybe someone else can).

Outrageous Jewish behavior in Poland. Young “tourists” from Israel demolishing our cities?
In polish: w w w. wiadomosci.onet.pl/1409686,2677,1,kioskart.html

Don't let that Europeawake get to you he is a lost cause

Matyjasz: Your comments were very well stated. Bravo!!!!

I wonder if anyone knows something about the Jewish population in Poland, when it started and how many of them lived there and how a staedtle could exist?
thanks for an answer

This should keep you busy for an hour or so

Jews in Poland

w.holocaustforgotten.com

More severe punishments should be inflicted upon those who dare question The Holocaust, utter Seig Heil, Heil Hitler and all that rubbish, sport Nazi paraphernalia and insiginias. Being thrown in jail is mild in my opinion. Severity, harshness and an iron fist for those who dare question THE TRUTH!

And obviously those, who glorify the system, which killed 80 million people are "cool", aren't they... ?

Somebody clean this mess. Anyone registred as a nazi wouldn't stay here for lomg, so no doubel standards please.

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edited by moderator The post itself does not break the rules. The user name is the choice of the individual. If they wish to call themselves 'a nazi' as you suggest. They are only bringing trouble on themselves.

Why so? It's ridiculous.. before I begin my endless rethoric.. I'm on your side, but seriously it's so one-sided. Every man on earth can change his view on history except when it comes down to the Jewish/Armenian Holocaust (& others)

Now, don't get me wrong, I despise people who question the holocaust or try to tell me that not 6 but "only 3" millions were killed or w/ever I think it's disguisting & it's wrong & they're pretty much ****** up..

But is it worthy of punishment? I one wants to rewrite French history, he can.. but if one wants to rewrite Holocaust he gets imprisoned in some countries. I cannot state enough that I despise these people.. however, you should be able to write -whatever you want- on a sheet of paper & not be imprisoned for it.

It's what Europeans fought for, for decades & no one is going to take that away from me.

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hes for it or against it?

Sparrow once again you make a grand point. And as painful as it is I agree too.

To those who would deny that the Holocause ever occured, I would point out to you that recently the Swiss banks acknowledged that they had money and assets from Jews who were victims of the German death camps. They paid back retrobutions. Do you think for one minute that a Swiss bank would part with one cent if it were not true?