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Angol2011  Sep 30, 11, 22:47    #1
Hello,

If you are interested, we are holding interviews all next week.

Contact Chris: angol@email.com
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Just for a laugh, why not tell us the wage?
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: delphiandomine  Sep 30, 11, 23:06    #3
Again, time for the usual Chris Bradbury warning.

Chris Bradbury, owner of Angol "School" is a bit of a dreamer. He's attempted to entertain sheiks in the past, he's claimed to be teaching 649 hours a week - all in all, a bit of an utter clown. His "school" (really, a store cupboard in a property agents) does nothing but teach Callan, even though Bradbury himself isn't actually authorised by the Callan Method Organisation to do so. He claims to be a teacher, yet only did some online 'course' with a print-yourself diploma.

Anyone looking for work would also be well advised that Bradbury doesn't have much financial resources behind him - and I strongly urge newbies to steer well clear of him.

Just for a laugh, why not tell us the wage?

http://angolszkola.com/#/oferta/4554519298

Let's not even comment on the fact that even the Polish is wrong on the website.

Anyone wishing to consider this should consider the English used on his website for a start. You'll soon see that he can't even use English properly.

Oh, the same clown claims that his teachers are all qualified. He then posted an advertisement on here for teachers - no qualifications required. Does that really sound like a trustworthy guy?
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Joined: May 30, 08  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Sep 30, 11, 23:18    #4
=delphiandomine]Again, time for the usual Chris Bradbury warning.

Have you ever worked for him?
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Have you ever worked for him?


I had an entertaining chat with him a while ago. I called him, pretending to be an interested teacher, and had an interesting discussion with him. Needless to say, he doesn't have a clue ;) What was telling was that he was willing to hire me, a native "just off the plane" without even meeting me face-to-face. Make of that what you will.
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=delphiandomine]Let's not even comment on the fact that even the Polish is wrong on the website. Anyone wishing to consider this should consider the English used on his website for a start. You'll soon see that he can't even use English properly.

The website is chaotic indeed. Especially this page about methods.
http://angolszkola.com/#/metody/4554519299
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Especially this page about methods - utter chaos.


You know, this belongs in another thread - but this guy shows why Polish teachers are starting to take business away from native teachers. Why bother with a native who may or may not actually know anything when you can get an experienced Polish teacher for the same money who actually knows how to explain grammar properly?
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You know, this belongs in another thread - but this guy shows why Polish teachers are starting to take business away from native teachers. Why bother with a native who may or may not actually know anything when you can get an experienced Polish teacher for the same money who actually knows how to explain grammar properly?



Totally agree.
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Joined: Jan 21, 11  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Oct 1, 11, 06:05    #9
Why bother with a native who may or may not actually know anything when you can get an experienced Polish teacher for the same money who actually knows how to explain grammar properly?

Excellent. The sooner you are made unemployed and leave poland the better.
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Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂ 		 Oct 1, 11, 06:46    #10
Specialist English

We offer both group and individual classes for learning language within a certain area. We will first conduct an analysis of your needs and then we will work to develop all of your key areas. We structure your lessons so that they coincide with your professional subjects. At the end of every month our lectures will provide your company with a progress report for all of the students you have learning with us. This report will show the students progress and also the student’s attendance for the month.

i particularly liked the quote above taken from his website
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i particularly liked the quote above taken from his website

Surreal, isn't it.

Of course some bod in an HR department will read that, recognise the buzzwords but assume his/her lack of understanding is to do with their own English skills rather than the original text being meaningless. Naughty, and one to avoid.
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The sooner you are made unemployed and leave poland the better.

As soon as the Polish teachers can do their jobs properly we will move on
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I was only referring to a paticular arguementative and polish hating delphia, not to you or other english teachers.
Angol2011  Oct 1, 11, 21:09    #14
Hello Delph,

I actually have an excuse for my website being so bad, I had to put it
together in about 5 minutes, because my other website was hacked
and stolen from me. But rest assured, I am having a new website built
and it will be better.

And sorry Delph, I must have caught you at that time of the month again... But
I don't understand why you would lie about speaking to me, when in fact
I haven't spoken to any potential teachers, because my wife is handling the
interview process. Actually, I think in today's world this would be called slander?

I have 2 lecturers interviewed and ready for action, only 3 positions left...

Rgs,

Chris
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I actually have an excuse for my website being so bad, I had to put it
together in about 5 minutes

That isn't actually a sensible reason. Sounds more like an untruth.

And BTW, isn't it a bit unusual to call in-company (or even language school) EFL trainers 'lecturers'?
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I actually have an excuse for my website being so bad, I had to put it
together in about 5 minutes, because my other website was hacked
and stolen from me. But rest assured, I am having a new website built
and it will be better.


There's no excuse for a bad website - you can get a website made and uploaded within 72 hours in Poland. I know this, because I have three websites to look after - and they were all completed and uploaded within 72 hours. That's including DNS propogation time. And there's really no excuse for the text being so bad and full of mistakes (and reading badly) - is there?

And sorry Delph, I must have caught you at that time of the month again... But
I don't understand why you would lie about speaking to me, when in fact
I haven't spoken to any potential teachers, because my wife is handling the
interview process. Actually, I think in today's world this would be called slander?


This was a while ago, when you were still trying to entertain sheiks for a living.

I have 2 lecturers interviewed and ready for action, only 3 positions left...


How do they feel about working 649 hours a week?
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Joined: Aug 13, 11 ♂ 		 Oct 1, 11, 22:36    #17
Jesus, why do we allow creatures like delphiandomine to cyber bully other native speakers on this site? It is clear this guy is using this forum to fight competition. Is the business so bad Michael? Maybe you can shed some light on the qualifications that you had when you started teaching in Poland?
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Jesus, why do we allow creatures like delphiandomine to cyber bully other native speakers on this site?


Yawn. Do you know who Chris Bradbury is? Do you know about how he posted a catalogue of nonsense on this site for years, including claiming that his online TEFL course was "equal to the CELTA" and claiming that he knew English grammar while making horrible mistakes? No? So...silence.

It is clear this guy is using this forum to fight competition.


What competition? He lives 300km away from me, hardly "competition" - and anyway, he can barely use the English language.

Maybe you can shed some light on the qualifications that you had when you started teaching in Poland?


The standard.
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Jesus, why do we

Have a look at the original post. The person who advertised it has a certain amount of history on the forum and if Delphi's advice saves one newbie EFL teacher from making a bad decision, then he has helped someone.

Of course it could be a dream job, but everything suggests otherwise. Someone without experience in PL may not be able to see that, so we should be thankful for comments from someone in the business.
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I actually have an excuse for my website being so bad, I had to put it
together in about 5 minutes


you Sir are a chancer
Thank goodness you decided to teach English rather than work as an air traffic controller or a doctor or a pilot
or any job which results in people getting hurt when you inevitably make a complete knackers of everything
all you have to worry about is your students realising that there are woodland mammals which
could probably teach English better than you

if only it were possible for English teachers to be struck off for bringing the profession into disrepute
by jingo that would make a lot of people sweat
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Actually, I think in today's world this would be called slander?

libel surely, if it's written down?
calling efl teachers 'lecturers' IS a bit odd.
For once I will agree with Delph, the guy sounds like someone who will rip off students and teachers alike.
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calling efl teachers 'lecturers' IS a bit odd.


exactly, it sounds that the lecturer is standing in front of the class talking at them
perhaps it is just a question of semantics
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It's not odd, it's plainly wrong!
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Even many universities with EFL departments don't usually call them lecturers. EFL people are mostly employed as Instructors (a pay grade lower in most places). They're lecturers if they teach it as a degree subject.

And the advert in the original post is not from a university. Or even a well known language school. What's with the name anyway? 'Angol' in Poland is usually a perjorative word. Every bit as odd as a Pole setting up a business in the US and calling it 'Polacks inc'.
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Of course it could be a dream job, but everything suggests otherwise. Someone without experience in PL may not be able to see that, so we should be thankful for comments from someone in the business.

I'd actually say that this would be fine for someone who knows the score in Poland - someone who isn't afraid to send the "demand for payment" as soon as he's late with one payment, someone who won't buy excuses and someone who isn't afraid to tell him straight that they know that he's a bit of a chancer.

But for a newbie, it could be dangerous - if he can't be bothered to proofread his site (and worse still - there are some hideous mistakes in the Polish too that even I spotted) - can he be bothered to run a business properly? Let's not mention how (unlike almost every credible Polish business) there's no NIP and REGON listed. And the "business" operates solely from mobile phones, which hardly instils confidence.

if only it were possible for English teachers to be struck off for bringing the profession into disrepute
by jingo that would make a lot of people sweat

Without a doubt. I know one school director who makes a point of asking potential teachers the difference between two tenses at the start of the interview, chosen at random. If they can't explain it - they're shown the door. It's no surprise that the school has a fantastic reputation as a result.

For once I will agree with Delph, the guy sounds like someone who will rip off students and teachers alike.

You know - I don't think he will rip off teachers. I think it's more likely that he simply won't be able to handle things professionally - and teachers could end up in trouble if they rely on him. He doesn't instil confidence - if he can't be bothered to get a proper website developed (ffs - I got a website made and uploaded in 24 hours for 220zl not so long ago) - can he be bothered to pay teachers if one of his clients doesn't pay (which happens a lot?).

The fact that he doesn't bother to even mention what contract is on offer (be it umowa o dzielo, umowa o prace or umowa zlecenie) says it all. I actually posted a job advert on here a while ago - and everything relevant was mentioned.

I noticed he hasn't denied advertising "we have qualified teachers" and then asking on here for teachers with "no qualifications needed".

But making mistakes in the Polish is just absolutely unforgivable. If you can't be bothered to get their language right on your website, why bother at all?
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I know one school director who makes a point of asking potential teachers the difference between two tenses at the start of the interview, chosen at random

Ahem.. English has only two tenses (present and past) - maybe you mean aspects or verb forms?

Anyway thanks for the bulletin that EFL is full of cowboys! In other news, many students are lazy
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Ahem.. English has only two tenses (present and past) - maybe you mean aspects or verb forms?

Aa, come on, this thread isn't the place for such discussions ;)

http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/2182-how-many-tenses-the re-english-language.html - interesting discussion about this here. English is so terribly clumsy!

Hey, Bradbury, how do you think Callan book 3 deals with the thorny issue of English grammar being different to Polish?

many students are lazy

Never fear, Chris Bradbury's revolutionary Callan Method will let you learn 4x as fast!

(until he takes all your money and you realise that you've been conned)
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For once I will agree with Delph

Agreed. I'm still not impressed with his "Polack" stuff, but I'm definitely 100% on his side here. Everyone knows about the "famous" Bradbury on here :)


What's with the name anyway? 'Angol' in Poland is usually a perjorative word. Every bit as odd as a Pole setting up a business in the US and calling it 'Polacks inc'.

I tried telling him this once, but he wasn't having any of it. Probably because his next business venture is going to be the ŁOP School of Italian, lol :)
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Everyone knows about the "famous" Bradbury on here :)

Ah, just for kicks, let's show what kind of guy he is -

Angol English School - Looking for spanish teacher - Konstancin Jeziorna

Hey, Chris - are you going to pay these teachers cash in hand, too?

(seriously - this guy is so much of a clown that he publicly admitted that he was planning to commit tax evasion)
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What's with the name anyway? 'Angol' in Poland is usually a perjorative word. Every bit as odd as a Pole setting up a business in the US and calling it 'Polacks inc'.

As an aside: Where is your famous British sense of humour? You may want to google okiem Angola - Jamie Stokes is funny both in Polish (wiadomosci.wp.pl) and in English (http://www.krakowpost.com/writer/Jamie-Stokes).

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