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Morad83Threads: 3
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Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂ 		 Mar 14, 10, 23:08    #1
Hi I'm a British native currently working as an English teacher at the best ranked private school in Lublin. I work there in the evenings so I am seeking work around the Lublin area during the day in other schools and also private lessons 1-1 and groups. If anyone is intersted please reply or pm me. I look forward to hearing from you :)
PolishNutjobThreads: 1
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Joined: Mar 9, 08 ♂ 		 Mar 14, 10, 23:26    #2
Morad83:
Hi I'm a British native currently working as an English teacher at the best ranked private school in Lublin.

So you work at Callan?
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: delphiandomine  Mar 15, 10, 00:06    #3
Morad83:
Hi I'm a British native currently working as an English teacher at the best ranked private school in Lublin.

Isn't this about as hideously subjective as it gets?

I don't believe any school in Poland is "best ranked" at all - ranked by who?

intersted

Yet another native who seemingly can't spell...
Morad83Threads: 3
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Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: Morad83  Mar 15, 10, 09:17    #4
PolishNutjob
No I don't work at Callan but have been voted the best pivate language school in Lublin. I'm sorry I prefer not to say where I work.

delphiandomine
I have read and looked at various magazines and papers for language students where all the schools in Lublin were ranked in all of the different publications we were ranked the best.

As far as spelling goes don't worry I can spell although when you are tired and human you do tend to make typing errors!

As far as being hideously subjective I don't see what your problem is?
Morad83Threads: 3
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Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: Morad83  Mar 15, 10, 10:12    #5
The post will obviously sound subjective it was posted in hope of finding work so it was written to say exactly what it has to!
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Mar 15, 10, 12:46    #6
Morad83:
No I don't work at Callan but have been voted the best pivate language school in Lublin. I'm sorry I prefer not to say where I work.

Sorry - but if you aren't willing to disclose where you work, then you can't be trusted. It's that simple - as a paying client, I want to know where you work (and what you do) so that I have a degree of knowledge about the suitability of hiring you to do lessons. There's a good reason why teachers that work in 'better' schools are more in demand - but at the same time, anyone can claim that they work in a good school without saying which one.

The fact that you're working there part time also doesn't say much about your abilities.

Morad83:
I have read and looked at various magazines and papers for language students where all the schools in Lublin were ranked in all of the different publications we were ranked the best.

Most of these publications readily approach schools and make it clear that they can buy the top ranking. It's quite a normal practice in journalism. Is the school PASE or Ministry of Education approved? If not, then it's not the best school - that much is certain.

Morad83:
As far as spelling goes don't worry I can spell although when you are tired and human you do tend to make typing errors!

You're also making grammatical mistakes - and you expect people to hire you as a teacher? Remeber - this is a shop window. If you're selling yourself as a teacher, you should be perfect!

Morad83:
As far as being hideously subjective I don't see what your problem is.

The point is that unless the school is either Ministry or PASE approved, it's highly unlikely to be the "best school in Lublin". Maybe the best advertised!

Sorry, but hyperbole really irritates me.
FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12
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Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: FUZZYWICKETS  Mar 15, 10, 12:56    #7
delphiandomine wrote:

Remeber - this is a shop window. If you're selling yourself as a teacher, you should be perfect!

and if you're going to correct someone's spelling/grammar, YOU should be perfect. you really should cut the crap with the grammar/spelling police, me boy. you routinely shoot yourself in the foot.

delphiandomine wrote:

You're also making grammatical mistakes

care to point some of them out? careful me boy.....the gun is pointed at your foot again and it's on a hair trigger!
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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FUZZYWICKETS:
you really should cut the crap with the grammar police, me boy. you routinely shoot yourself in the foot.

Off topic.
HarryThreads: 62
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delphiandomine:
Is the school PASE or Ministry of Education approved? If not, then it's not the best school - that much is certain.

I would very much beg to differ: there is not a single PASE member school in all of Lubelski, so it is guaranteed that the best school in Lublin is not PASE approved.
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Harry:
I would very much beg to differ: there is not a single PASE member school in all of Lubelski, so it is guaranteed that the best school in Lublin is not PASE approved.

Bloody hell, they *are* strict with their criteria. No bad thing, though.
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delphiandomine

I don't understand what you have against me really? I have been here for six months as far as I know the publications with the ratings were genuine not paid for. I would be happy to disclose where I work to any interested students or schools and show my credentials at an assesment interview. I just don't feel like disclosing it online and I think it's fair enough. I recently joined this forum as the people seemed nice and helpful and it seemed as though it was all about helping one another I'm now starting to have second thoughts! Like I said previously I don't work part time I work full time in the evenings though not during the day so I am seeking work then. Not to say if I did work part time it says anything about ones abilities.
HarryThreads: 62
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delphiandomine:
Bloody hell, they *are* strict with their criteria. No bad thing, though.

I couldn't possibly comment on that. Nor could I comment on the vicious rumour that one school in Warsaw was recently inspected by PASE and passed despite having as a native speaker teacher a convicted criminal whose sole qualification is that he finished primary school. However, I could most certainly point out that PASE guidelines would most certainly allow such a person to be employed. I could also point out that PASE schools pay fees: currently the annual membership is 4,550zl plus 3,700zl per each inspection (must be done at least once every three years).
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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Harry:
However, I could most certainly point out that PASE guidelines would most certainly allow such a person to be employed.

Hmm - is there any restriction in Polish law surrounding the employment of criminals?

I'm convinced that the lack of checks on private teachers is going to result in a very nasty abuse scandal one day - even the best schools seem to completely neglect background checks!
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delphiandomine:
Bloody hell, they *are* strict with their criteria. No bad thing, though.

Yeah, they are. last PASE inspection at my school they never observed me (5 bloody lessons plans I needn't have done) and observed the SPANISH teacher twice. Nothing to do with him being, younger, more handsome and sexier than a fat, old bald Brit, I suppose.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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That's a question - are there natives behind PASE at all?

(struggling to see how a Polish observer could really comment on a native's teaching)
TrevekThreads: 33
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I think I've met one.
Morad83Threads: 3
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Me too!!!
FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12
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"Quality in foreign language teaching

PASE (Polish Association for Standards in Language Education) aims to promote quality standards and professionalism in foreign language teaching. In 1993 the Association created a system of inspections and accreditations for language schools. The schools which meet the required modern standards of foreign language teaching are granted the PASE quality certificate.

The schools with the PASE quality certificate have been thoroughly inspected by independent language specialists who:

· observed classes

· checked the teachers’ qualifications

· inspected the internal organizational structure of the school

· and many other aspects of its activity

The PASE recommendation guarantees high standards in language teaching."



Word of mouth would convince me to attend a language school more than some certificate.

Secondly, a school has good teachers and bad teachers. PASE certified or not, let's say you're an A1 and they throw their weakest, least experienced teacher at you. Or, you simply don't benefit much from their teaching methods, personality, etc. etc. What is the significance of a PASE certificate then.

In my opinion, a PACE certificate is a piece of mind that you're not signing a contract with one of those cowboy fly-by-night schools, but as far as "the best", no way Jose. I've seen it enough times in schools I have worked in. Exceptional teachers, really bad teachers, polish people with a master's in English who speak crap English, CELTA certified teachers, natives with no credentials at all, natives with tons of credentials, phenomenal A1-B2 level teachers who fail miserably at teaching C1 and above......ALL working under the same damn roof. i've seen the best fail at teaching a student and the worst succeed. we're all individuals with individual needs.

it's a crap shoot in the end unless you've been attending the school for a while and were able to choose who teaches you, assuming you've even had the opportunity to be taught by other teachers, giving you something to choose from.
HarryThreads: 62
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Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Mar 15, 10, 13:46    #19
delphiandomine:
Hmm - is there any restriction in Polish law surrounding the employment of criminals?

If there is, it is universally ignored.


delphiandomine:
I'm convinced that the lack of checks on private teachers is going to result in a very nasty abuse scandal one day

It is indeed a 'when', not an 'if'.


delphiandomine:
That's a question - are there natives behind PASE at all?

Not that I know of.
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Harry:
It is indeed a 'when', not an 'if'.

To tell a story - I know someone who, on his first day on the job, was told to go and teach a class of 6 year olds. No background checks were done (the school needed a teacher to cover, no-one else could, they'd just interviewed him and liked him) - and he was in a closed classroom full of 6 year olds with absolutely no supervision.

I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg as well, especially in smaller places.
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Joined: May 21, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: Trevek  Mar 15, 10, 13:52    #21
Harry:
a convicted criminal

delphiandomine:
Hmm - is there any restriction in Polish law surrounding the employment of criminals?

Doesn't it depend what the crime is?

We had an activity leader at a summer school in UK a few years ago who had a conviction for violence. The school was BC registered, but it seemed BC didn't check all the profiles.

Still, it seems his conviction was not serious enough to stop him being able to work with kids.

delphiandomine:
To tell a story - I know someone who, on his first day on the job, was told to go and teach a class of 6 year olds. No background checks were done (the school needed a teacher to cover, no-one else could, they'd just interviewed him and liked him) - and he was in a closed classroom full of 6 year olds with absolutely no supervision.

I've never been checked in Poland and I've worked in primaries, private EFL and workshops with teenagers and kids.

Mind you, I've nothing to hide.
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Trevek:
We had an activity leader at a summer school in UK a few years ago who had a conviction for violence. The school was BC registered, but it seemed BC didn't check all the profiles.

From what I've read, apparently BC registration hardly counts for a thing - which wouldn't surprise me, given the way that they operate!

Trevek:
Still, it seems his conviction was not serious enough to stop him being able to work with kids.

I think it's discretionary - and probably dependent on what they did, as you say. I'd question the ability of someone to work with kids if they have a conviction for violence, though!
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delphiandomine:
From what I've read, apparently BC registration hardly counts for a thing - which wouldn't surprise me, given the way that they operate!

Funny, my thoughts are similar. Just a badge ofr the gullible foreigners.

delphiandomine:
I'd question the ability of someone to work with kids if they have a conviction for violence, though!

Yeah, you need to be able to do the violence and not get caught.
HarryThreads: 62
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Trevek:
Yeah, you need to be able to do the violence and not get caught.

Sadly these days you can't just get away with not leaving any marks either.
TrevekThreads: 33
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Harry:
Sadly these days you can't just get away with not leaving any marks either.

I use an inflatable hammer. They actually think it's fun to be hit on the head with it!
ukpolskaThreads: 51
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Joined: Oct 23, 06  Gold Member MEMBER ♂ 		 Apr 27, 10, 17:31    #26
I find this thread quite funny where a school voted the best Language school in Lublin.

This prestigious award was awarded to my old school the NewEnglishSchool (yes it's callan school) by Newsweek Polska and I spoke to the owner of the school and asked her what was the criteria that swung it in favour of our school and she answered me straight - clean toilets and a coffee machine !!!!

Go figure on that one lol
Morad83Threads: 3
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Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂ 		 Apr 27, 10, 22:46    #27
Ha ha ha! That's a great way to rate a school lets ask the coffee machine and toilets too teach see how they do!!!


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