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martinfThreads: 1
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Joined: Dec 21, 10 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 10, 23:29    #1
Hi,

I hope to move to poland early next year and am just looking for advice on what would be the best move for me,career wise as people tell me that a native speaker job would be good and as i am from Ireland i would have a good chance.If anyone has any advice,jobs or websites that could help i would appreciate it.

Cheers,

Martin.
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Joined: Sep 21, 09 ♂ 		 Dec 21, 10, 23:53    #2
Hi Martin,

Send me pm if you want. We can have a chat over the phone. I am married here and have been working for a number of years in such work so if it's Warsaw you are thinking of coming to then I can give you some tips.

Best wishes.
martinfThreads: 1
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Joined: Dec 21, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: martinf  Dec 21, 10, 23:55    #3
That would be great thank you i'll try now.

Martin.

EDIT:have to post twice to send a pm if you could reply i should be able to then thanks.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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martinf:
I hope to move to poland early next year and am just looking for advice on what would be the best move for me,career wise as people tell me that a native speaker job would be good and as i am from Ireland i would have a good chance.If anyone has any advice,jobs or websites that could help i would appreciate it.


First things first : do you want to be a teacher, or are you looking at it as a way to survive in Poland? If you want to do it for a career, and already have some experience with it - Poland's not a bad place to come. But if you're coming here, having never taught anyone before and looking at it from the point of view of "mmh, it's a job" - then it will be much, much harder. There's a lot of competition out there for work, and students can tell a mile off as to why you're doing it. Certainly, the days of "hello, I'm a native, I'll take 20 hours a week, thanks" are over.

There's a certain element of culture shock involved - no doubt you've visited and enjoyed it, but when you have to work with Polish people day in, day out - you'll see a different Poland to the one that you've visited. Some of the practices can be unbelievable - it's not uncommon for schools to say "oh, we can't afford to pay you" - even when they do have the cash.

What do you do at the minute in Ireland? It's not impossible to be relocated to Poland - many multinational companies have significant Eastern Europe bases here. Or if you have money to invest, Poland can be a profitable place. Labour is ridiculously cheap here - you can pick up a freshly graduated fluent English speaker for about 500 euro a month.
martinfThreads: 1
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Joined: Dec 21, 10 ♂ 		 Dec 22, 10, 00:03    #5
Hi,

Yeah i was thinking of doing it as a career change for me.I have spent most of my life working in bar's.My girlfriend is Polish and she is thinking of setting up an english school to teach kids at montessori level so i was thinking of helping her and teaching students at higher levels.
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Joined: May 21, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: warszawski  Dec 22, 10, 03:47    #6
delphiandomine:
no doubt you've visited and enjoyed it, but when you have to work with Polish people day in, day out - you'll see a different Poland to the one that you've visited.


These are very true words.

martinf:
My girlfriend is Polish and she is thinking of setting up an english school to teach kids at montessori level so i was thinking of helping her and teaching students at higher levels.


If you are thinking about doing this in Warsaw, it will be difficult, there are already schools closing down.
inkrakow  Dec 22, 10, 14:48    #7
martinf:
teach kids at montessori level


To me that sounds like a very good idea - I know that friends in Krakow were desperate to send their kids to a Montessori school (not preschool) but there isn't one here. The Montessori preschool seems to be doing very well.
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warszawski:
If you are thinking about doing this in Warsaw, it will be difficult, there are already schools closing down.


From what I've seen in Poznan - there is demand, but the expectations are huge. It's not enough to just open "a school" - it has to be very well equipped and capable of meeting all the parents demands.

inkrakow:
To me that sounds like a very good idea - I know that friends in Krakow were desperate to send their kids to a Montessori school (not preschool) but there isn't one here.


If I'm right, it's very difficult to open a Montessori school because you need to comply with the Polish ministry of education requirements. Same with the Steiner/Waldorf schools - there exists a "Polish" interpretation - and this has to be followed to get the ministry accreditation. There doesn't seem to be much demand for non-accredited schools, unless you have the money to operate from a large building.
FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12
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in all honesty, if someone is looking to come to Poland and you're an English speaker, explore what else you could do besides teaching.

the market isn't what it used to be and after doing it for 4 years, i can say the lifestyle is crap. early mornings, late nights, inconsistent schedules, one good month is followed by a bad month.....try and find a company that will hire you and give you a job with a normal schedule. at least then you'll be able to enjoy your time more while you're here.

i was offered a couple jobs outside of the teaching world over the past year or so but i guess as a newbie just entering the country, might be tough to find these sorts of things.
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FUZZYWICKETS:
in all honesty, if someone is looking to come to Poland and you're an English speaker, explore what else you could do besides teaching.


Yep, it's definitely worth doing this. I know that it's not impossible (with some serious networking) to land a job managing a cafe/pub - I know an Australian girl in Krakow who is doing just that.

FUZZYWICKETS:
i can say the lifestyle is crap. early mornings, late nights, inconsistent schedules, one good month is followed by a bad month.....try and find a company that will hire you and give you a job with a normal schedule. at least then you'll be able to enjoy your time more while you're here.


What do you think his chances are of landing a job with a normal schedule with no experience? I've got a fairly normal schedule now (earliest start is at 8, latest finish is at 6:30) - but it took two years to get into that position. It's also constantly under attack by students who want to move classes - "can we move the class?" is a constant request.

Probably for a newbie, they should be warned that horribly early mornings (7:30-8am starts) and late nights (9-9:30pm finish) is about 'normal' if they work in-school. Split shifts are pretty much routine - which is fine if you live 5 minutes from the school, but how many people do?

FUZZYWICKETS:
i was offered a couple jobs outside of the teaching world over the past year or so but i guess as a newbie just entering the country, might be tough to find these sorts of things.


Yeah, it's not going to be easy. It does happen quite a lot to people who are here for the long run - but for someone new, it's going to be hard to find such opportunities, because they're normally the result of good personal relations with someone.
martinfThreads: 1
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Joined: Dec 21, 10 ♂ 		 Dec 22, 10, 20:26    #11
Hi,

I am wondering if anyone knows of an Irish bar or any bar looking for english speaking barmen in Krakow and where i could look to find some information on this?Or if there are any bar owners out there looking for staff contact me here.

Cheers,

Martin.
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Joined: Dec 21, 10 ♂ 		 Dec 22, 10, 20:27    #12
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Irish Seeking bar work

Hi,

I am wondering if anyone knows of an Irish bar or any bar looking for english speaking barmen in Krakow and where i could look to find some information on this?Or if there are any bar owners out there looking for staff contact me here.

Cheers,

Martin.
delphiandomineThreads: 42
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martinf:
I am wondering if anyone knows of an Irish bar or any bar looking for english speaking barmen in Krakow and where i could look to find some information on this?Or if there are any bar owners out there looking for staff contact me here.


I can tell you one thing - Krakow is absolutely oversaturated with people looking for such work. There's a hell of a lot of international students there, and it's the #1 destination in Poland when it comes to moving here by people like yourself.

Do yourself a favour, and stay away from Krakow.
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delphiandomine wrote:

Do yourself a favour, and stay away from Krakow.

Krakow is beautiful but yeah....dime a dozen-like scenerio. jeeeeednak....gdyby on mogl mowic po polsku...nawet troche.....inna bajka....
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delphiandomine:
Split shifts are pretty much routine - which is fine if you live 5 minutes from the school, but how many people do?


I do, which makes the split shifts more tolerable as I can go home after my morning lessons.
mafketisThreads: 17
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Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂ 		 Dec 22, 10, 21:27    #16
With no Polish language skills, Krakow could only work if you'll be able to live rent free for several months (as in living with girlfriend's family if she's from there). On the other hand, that would be a major challenge in itself though it could help you gain some of the necessary linguistic skills...
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scottie1113:
I do, which makes the split shifts more tolerable as I can go home after my morning lessons.


You're a lucky lucky man :)
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Joined: May 21, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: warszawski  Dec 22, 10, 23:33    #18
delphiandomine:
From what I've seen in Poznan - there is demand, but the expectations are huge. It's not enough to just open "a school" - it has to be very well equipped and capable of meeting all the parents demands.


I do not Know the Poznan market, so I can't comment. In Warsaw there are so many schools that have popped up and closed down. I believe in this type of business it is always better to start small and grow year by year. The problem with many of these schools is they sell themselves as english speaking schools and all the kids are Polish, so once they establish they are all Polish, they speak Polish to one and other.

martinf:
I am wondering if anyone knows of an Irish bar or any bar looking for english speaking barmen in Krakow and where i could look to find some information on this?Or if there are any bar owners out there looking for staff contact me here.


Martin, bar staff in Krakow, probably earn 6-8PLN an hour (1.50-2 euro) as someone mentioned earlier there are so many students.
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warszawski:
In Warsaw there are so many schools that have popped up and closed down. I believe in this type of business it is always better to start small and grow year by year. The problem with many of these schools is they sell themselves as english speaking schools and all the kids are Polish, so once they establish they are all Polish, they speak Polish to one and other.


Seems to be the same story here - the real success story has been in those "social" schools. In fact, the first IB-accredited school here closed down this summer.

Add to this - the problem that the teachers often put their own English mistakes onto the children, meaning that real English natives won't put their children in such schools to avoid them picking up "Polish" mistakes.
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Joined: Jul 20, 08 ♂ 		 Jan 8, 11, 21:42    #20
LOL English Native Speaker Teacher is the O-N-L-Y job you can get over there if you dont speak Polish at proficiency level, been there.
jonniThreads: 26
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trevorisimo:
is the O-N-L-Y job you can get over there

Which is very much the wrong reason for doing that job. Best left for those who teach because they want to teach rather than because they can't find anything else.
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Stay away from Warsaw, it has changed so much in the last 6 months, a lot of english schools are closing down and people just want to pay you peanuts... also a lot of people from China are appearing and they will work for 5zl per hour, this is pushing people out from labouring type jobs.,,, Investment may be a good idea, perhaps shares in a building company as things are taking off.
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wielki pan:
away from Warsaw, it has changed so much in the last 6 months, a lot of english schools are closing down and people just want to pay you peanuts... also a lot of people from China are appearing and they will work for 5zl per hour, this is pushing people out from labouring type jobs.,,, Investment may be a good idea, perhaps shares in a building company as things are taking off.


I can't believe it. As low as wages are in Poland they're importing Chinese to lower wages even further? And than they'll blab all day about political situation in Belarus. What a disconnect.
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Chicago Pollock:
I can't believe it. As low as wages are in Poland they're importing Chinese to lower wages even further? And than they'll blab all day about political situation in Belarus. What a disconnect.


yea. the country is a mess and now the crooks in government will hope, that the unemployed will just move to Germany.
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Joined: May 8, 09 ♂ 		 Jan 10, 11, 17:06    #25
An bhfuil Gaeilge agat? If so, might be able to fix you up with something. PM me.
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Hi,

My boyfriend is Irish, and we are going to move to Poland in july. We have a place near Katowice. We haven't a clue what is he goin to do here or how to make a living. Do u have any idea where he could start? Hes 30 and working as a builder and plaster for 14 years. But he wouldt mind workin in a pub :)
Thanks a million for any answears:)
good luck:) Kasia
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Joined: Feb 1, 12 ♂ 		 Feb 1, 12, 10:57    #27
Thare are a lof of good private schools in Poznan, Poland. All native speakers shoud try to search there.


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