Katyn- forgiven and forgotten?

yes, because he would love nothing better than to keep hatred alive and well and a never ending cycle of war and suffering.

learn from the past so as NOT to repeat it. never forgetting is one thing, fuelling hatred is not an option.

He was the one who discovered and made Katyn worldwide known.He knew what it meant.It is part of his legacy.

im not going on about that am i? im talking about NOT fuelling hatred, repeating cycles of revenge for revenge etc.

Not to forget, but learn from mistakes people have made in the past NOT to repeat them

surely you wouldn't wish such attrocities ever happening again?

Anielka and other people really caring about the subject, the Katyn genocide shall not be forgotten by the Polish people. Nor shall be forgotten the - perhaps even worse - monstrous genocide by 'Ukrainian' bandits associated with the Germans of some 500.000 Poles - including a large number of small children - in the Eastern Borderlands in the 1940's.

And any crypto-Nazi type can babble hypocritically about our alleged 'hatred' as much as he please.
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may it never be forgotton. Im agreeing. we should never forget
we should learn from this atrocity and pledge NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN

how? well we cannot avoid this by spreading hate can we?

They are called Banderas.They are national heroes now in West Ukraine.

Southern, don't you think that when daffy 'preaches' about spreading hate in the said context, he in fact gives evidence of his Polonophobic hate?
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WHAT? im talking about NOT spreading Hate

NOT SPREAD hate!

where did i say i WANT hate spreaded? prove it!

Well, I can prove it very easily, but what's the use? You most probably will keep on denying in a Goebbels-like manner. - Your suggesting that our remembering Katyn is something bad and hateful on our part seems to be proof of your hostility towards us Polish people.

How about if your Irish remembering vividly the English mistreatment of you is something bad and hateful? Is it or not?
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Really? cos i can PROVE the opposite :)







And proven it i have



we rememeber and look at Ireland and England now - friends and members of the EU. Look at the northern ireland assemby. spreading hate doesnt work puzzler and they realised that and worked TOGETHER in peace.

Well, by accusing me slanderously of spreading hate you are spreading hate.

Is it genetic, I mean this sort of virtual terrorism you practice here?
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Puzzler, i only ever quoted you. if your qoutes seem to spread hate - that is your opinion. I only ever present your own words

you have not quoted me.

I think Puzzler asks.Should Poles remember Katyn or not?
Daffy answers yes in order to avoid atrocities.
O.K. but there is a small problem.The atrocities in Katyn were not made by Poles.

re: And proven it i have

- Pardon me, what's the 'it' you have allegedly proven?

That you're a Polonophobic hate-monger, compulsive liar and suppressor of free speech?
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By the way, I'm putting your ramblings to my archive.... How about an essay topic: 'Some Aspects of the Internet Psychopath's Rhetoric'? :)

I can see you don't remove the hateful ramblings of the extreme Polonophobe calling himself 'Michal'? So it's true this board serves the purpose of promoting Polonophobes like him and suppressing folks like me? Another proof of your Polonophobia.

i know that - i wasnt saying such. im saying that people should remember in order to avoid atrocities as you say also.

hatred fuels hatred, fear fuels fear. if we dont activily TRY to STOP it will never end. STOP SPREADING HATRED is another aspect (capped so that puzzler doesnt think im spreading hatred)

we need to remember but we need to prevent any future hatred

which i did. see above post

prove that
they have been removed and we are still reading through many more.

erm that would be puzzlerabhia...whereever you come from has nothing to do with it. you couldbe from france or austraila its your postings that are getting you attention

re: The atrocities in Katyn were not made by Poles

Southern, precisely so. But daffy has turned it round and from what he scribbles one can conclude that he believes it's the Poles who committed the Katyn genocide.

What wonder that some folks call Auschwitz a Polish death camp?

I think daffy and those like him (are there many of them in Ireland?) are actually fascists.

Well, I think I've got enough of talking to this racist.

If this were a real Polish forum he would be kicked out from it in no time.

But he is the 'moderator' here.

That's why this forum is as it is.
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no i havent. prove that i did?

i infact have said the opposite.


stop lying puzzler


you are wrong


you are wrong, a liar, attacking my character without proof


why? if you read my posts you'd see i love poland.

re: if you read my posts you'd see i love poland

- Oh boy. Save us God from such friends.
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why are you such a mean and spiteful person when all i am doing is advocating peace, tolerance and forgiveness? That we learn from mistakes and move on.

why are you being such a bad person?

come on puzzler , daffy is a good person and he love poland , ( that what i think)
i been banned in the pass from this forum and if i have to blame somebody is just me, not daffy and not adm,,,,,just me.
can you do the same please?

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i infact have said the opposite.Quoting: daffy Quoting: southern.The atrocities in Katyn were not made by Poles. i know that - i wasnt saying such. im saying that people should remember in order to avoid atrocities as you say also.

- Well, you wrote that the atrocities in Katyn were not made by Poles, but only after you suggested something opposite.

Aren't you a compulsive liar and word-twister?

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re: Puzzler, i only ever quoted you.

- Not true; you have also called me a liar, etc. And yes, you have quoted fragments of my postings. So what does it signify? Why are you informing me about it?

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re: if your qoutes seem to spread hate - that is your opinion.

- And what do you mean here? :)

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re: I only ever present your own words-

- Not true; as I mentioned before, you have called me a liar, etc.

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re: you have not quoted me.

- Even if I haven't, what does it signify?
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no i did not - where did i do that?

no, that would be you as shown in my previous post


informing you that you are lying about me. twisting my posts and calling me a nazi, a polinaphobe, fascist are unfounded lies. are hurtful, against forum rules and indecent

reasons you were banned for in the past i might add.


i mean simply what i have stated just above. you read what you read and twist meaning into baseless lies (ie that im a nazi which YOU created WITHOUT evidence or basis in reality


I call you a liar when you call me names. I quoted your alleged racism many times in the italian thread which you falled to deny and resorted to calling me a racist etc WITHOUT proof and twisting me words


it shows that you cannot back up your statements for starters

re: why are you such a mean and spiteful person when all i am doing is advocating peace, tolerance and forgiveness? That we learn from mistakes and move on.why are you being such a bad person?

- Daffy, why are you playing this sentimental comedy, pretend being hurt by me? Do you think I don't know who you are? - It's you who are cynical, callous and a bad boy. And you quietly enjoy it.

Stop pretending, brother.
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You make it sound as if the Poles did it.

Was justice served to those that did? No, never- the Russian murderers sat at the judges bench, hand in glove with the Americans and Brits, instead of being judged themselves. So we serve our own form of justice- myself by ensuring that as many people know of the greatest WW2 war crime- including my children- as possible.
A good friend once said to me if she had to dig up every square inch of Katyn forrest she would.

Perhaps you do love Poland but in this respect you do not understand the Polish psyche.

being called a nazi? i dont think anyone PRETENDS being hurt at such a thing!\

lies! no proof and i object to your twisting and horrible behavviour!

I have not done anything to merit your obtuse behaviour

I am not pretending puzzler - i am offended by your name calling and accusations against me, UNFOUNDED accusations against me i might add.

Alrighty then..... so why don't we wrap this up and move on :) This will be a never ending arguement between you two.

Maybe a discussion over an actual topic would be nice ;) ?

I'm leaving work to go and finish moving into my new flat, so I'll have to catch up with this tiff another day :)

take care you two :)

...and Espana

well anielka that is not my intention and you should know full well that i know and we all know that the poles didnt. I am saying that the poles should not hold hate in there heart.
that all of us should not forget the tragedy but that we do not fuel hate

is that wrong of me anielka?
perhaps you just plain misunderstood my post which i think has happened.



and rightly so! i want justice too. but justice and hate do not go hand in hand.
justice must be free of emotion

The Russians always claim there is a russian soul.I think there is time to recognize there is polish soul too.

How did the Russians show peace and goodwill to their Polish Allies- by herding our Officers to a forrest, stuffing their mouths with sawdust, covering their heads with their greatcoats to stop them from warning others, bayoneting them, shooting them in the back of the head while their hands were tied behind their backs in a noose and kicking them into mass graves. They showed their guilt by covering these up and planting pine trees.Our C.I.C. Sikorski and General Anders moved heaven and earth to find these missing Officers- on learning the truth Polish soldiers whilst serving the West almost mutinied- Sikorski calmed them down, advised by Churchill- what did he fear?

Tolerance and forgivenes only comes with atoning for the crime, since this did not happen I see no reason to. "Moving on" can only occur if a matter is resolved- I have no intention of.