King III. Jan Sobieski - the stopper of Turkish Janissaries!

Hmmm, very interesting, Sobieski stopped turks at vienna, if he didnt we would be there now :) However history is history, he was a good commander i think :) King Sobieski do you have any word to say :)
My friends look yourself well :)

hmm very strange he became king with election....

Oh we stoped your muslimforces many many times, for proof check info about keep Kamieniec Podolski.
Vienna was simply a separeted example when Turks went againts the austrians and the rest of western europe and didnt even come close to our borders... so who did austrians call?




Well we had Nihil Novi contitution since 1505 which put noble democracy in place,
I'm sory we didnt have monarchy or tyrany like the rest of countries living in the dark of middle ages.

And Austrians were so gratuful that in the next century they occupied our country and finally gave us Adolf.

what can be interesting Sobieski didnt want to help Austrians, he had good contacts with France, and he rather prefered cooperate with them. That means, let Ottomans smash Austrians ... In Poland, kings position was weak, and our nobels prefered to help christian brothers (Austrians), so Sobieski just enforced our nobels decision. He did it in grate way ... but it was horrible mistake. Strong Ottoman empire would be problem for Russians and definately Austrians.

In separate wars against Russians, Prusians or Austrians. We would smash them ...

History is interesting and likes to repeat.. question of time :)

Regards

still a monarchy man.

speaking of sobieski and the turks.. a few years back a saw tents and other stuff from the vienna skirmish at a special show at the Chicago Art Institute.. turks had some awesome gear.. the hussar gear was actually the other thing that i just loved from that exhibit.

i want to attend such exhibitions but i dont have chance due to my studentness....

it was a few years ago.. i'd guess all the artifacts are back in poland.. warsaw castle.

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Sobieski's intervention was his huge political mistake.

He could also wait patiently till Turks recover their forces after capturing Vienna and attack us. Then call for German and Russian help, I don't know how Gerries but Russians are always willing to help their Slavic brothers. :)

No. He should have waited for Austrians, Saxons, Germans and Turks to bleed a little longer. and then, reluctantly, hit Turks. At the time Turks wouldn't have dreamed of attacking Poland, so soon after their latest defeat.

This calculation look so easy :) Nobody could guarantee that he would defeat the Turks in different conditions, many issues should be analyzed. Different strategical position, improved morals of Turkish army and many more.

Guys, Sobieski was a great Polish warrior who kicked Turk butt...you couldn't expect him to be God and know all details, twists and turns of European intigue so that he could plot a 'long term strategy for Polish dominion'...Warriors are not usually politicians.

They're doing a movie about the battle of Vienna now, and Mel Gibson should play Sobieski O.o

Why not, he was Braveheart after all...

Next up Mel plays Genghis Khan

It's his movie. 3rd part, after Pasjon, Apocaliptico.

Christians vs Muslims

United Europe vs muslim world.

Sure, there are no guarantees. Just like there were no guarantees when Sobieski went on the trip to Vienna. I still think the British got it worked out the best: divide and rule, which loosely would apply here.

HAH Sobieski wanted to stick to French. We had noble democracy in Poland and nobles decided to help Christians.

Kings were elected in Poland by the aristocrats - at its peak 20% of polands inhabitants were aristocrats (12% is the average number mentioned in history books I think)


Intrigues after Sobieskis death led to a powershift away from the Poles resulting at the end in seperation for 123 years - the Sejm was allways influenced by foreign powers in this time. The French were no saints in this, for exmple even Sobieskis wife, a french aristocrat, opposed her own son becoming the next King of Poland.

Also Austria and Russia historic enemy the Turks were weakened and both had spare military power left. And instead of invading Turkey for a change or forcing against it at least, they took Poland apart...



What did Poland learn out of it AGAIN and not for the last time?

Not to trust anybody.

We should not forget - be aware of our roots - and not become germanized, europenized or whatever.

History is left in History who cares...live your life and try to be happy in this short human life:)