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in Polish slang, what is the difference between Siema and Siemka?


nikola Activity: 3 / 18
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13 Feb 2008  #1

I'm learning Polish and I talk to polish friends online, i'm just wondering what context to use Siema and Siemka in.

One of my polish friends said 'siemka' is diminutive or something, but i dont know what that means :S haha

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JustysiaS Activity: 14 / 2,252
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13 Feb 2008  #2

One of my polish friends said 'siemka' is diminutive or something


yes siemka is a dimunitive of siema. it makes it sound more 'cute'. its like my name Justyna, if you say Justynka it is a nicer way of saying it. just like calling a guy called George Georgie. Understand? lol
osiol Activity: 56 / 3,957
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13 Feb 2008  #3

Same kinf od difference between siemano and siemanko?

just like calling a guy called George Georgie

The only example I can think of is Georgie Fame & the Blue Flames. Otherwise, there are better examples. Sorry to pick holes, Justynka (which sounds quite bad in English, so I'd rather not say it in an English-0language environment).
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13 Feb 2008  #4

Sorry to pick holes, Justynka


i dont mind other people helping me out. and yes thats why i use Justysia instead, i know just what the other one sounds like.
osiol Activity: 56 / 3,957
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13 Feb 2008  #5

There was Georgie Best as well :)

I was originally going to type that, but being more of a music man than a football man, I decided to change my mind, especially as the song 'Yeah Yeah' came into my head. I didn't want it to suddenly become a huge list of Georgies, thus undermining the lesser of the two points I was making in that post.

The more important point being the one about Siemano / Siemanko.

Hang on - talk about undermining my own posts - there was a third point, but that's probably best left alone for the time being...
JustysiaS Activity: 14 / 2,252
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13 Feb 2008  #6

The more important point being the one about Siemano / Siemanko.


its the same situation like with siema and siemka, where siemanko is a dimunitive of siemano. siema and siemano is the same thing really.
osiol Activity: 56 / 3,957
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13 Feb 2008  #7

Is it just a conglomeration of the words: się + ma(sz) + no?
It's just the 'no' I'm wondering about really.
I often get sidetracked into learning fairly useless things like this. Distractions, distractions...
Vincent Activity: 10 / 797
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13 Feb 2008  #8

excuse my ignorance...but I always thought dimunitive meant smaller/small.. so why is siemanko a dimunitive of siemano when it has an extra letter , making it bigger:):)
osiol Activity: 56 / 3,957
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13 Feb 2008  #9

so why is siemanko a dimunitive of siemano when it has an extra letter , making it bigger

Why is słoń such a small word? What would be the diminutive of this? Słonik?
edit:
I ask about elephants again, partly because I like them, ever-so-slightly because the question is almost relevant to the topic, but mostly because no-one asnwered this question last night.
Davey Activity: 14 / 391
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13 Feb 2008  #10

i know just what the other one sounds like

hahah I didn't actually catch on until I said it out loud
osiol Activity: 56 / 3,957
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13 Feb 2008  #11

Sounds like "Used in car."
JustysiaS Activity: 14 / 2,252
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13 Feb 2008  #12

I always thought dimunitive meant smaller/small


in Polish dimunitive is "zdrobnienie". that comes from "drobny" which means "tiny". the cause of a dimunitive is not to make a word shorter, but to describe something "tiny", which usually results in adding to words. dimunitives will often have extra endings "stuck" to them, such as: -ka, -sia, -czka, -ek, -siek. Im gonna come back to my name again, im 22 and most people will call me Justyna or panna Justyna (miss Justyna) because im a grown up. Justynka is what people would call a Justyna who's for example 5 yeras old, because its a "tiny" Justyna. Whats "tiny" is often "cute" too (no rude comments here :P), so when it comes to siema and siemka or siemanko, the longer the version the "cuter" it is. And no it doesnt matter how big is the person you are about to say it to. I hope this helps.

Is it just a conglomeration of the words: się + ma(sz) + no?
It's just the 'no' I'm wondering about really.


yes you are right osiol. i wouldnt worry too much about "no", it coulve been any other couple of letters and it wouldnt make any difference to the actual meaning of the word. its like saying "hey" and "heya", the extra "a" does nothing to "hey". its a dimunitive.
lowfunk99 Activity: 10 / 382
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13 Feb 2008  #13

Osiol or Orsiolka?
JustysiaS Activity: 14 / 2,252
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13 Feb 2008  #14

if anything it would be Osiolek or Osioleczek . you could say Osliczka if he was a laydeee ;)
osiol Activity: 56 / 3,957
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13 Feb 2008  #15

Osiołek

edit: I believe there is an opposite of diminutive - a kind of 'big bad' form some words can take.
Discuss in no more than 400 words.
lowfunk99 Activity: 10 / 382
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13 Feb 2008  #16

I know that, was being funny!
JustysiaS Activity: 14 / 2,252
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13 Feb 2008  #17

I believe there is an opposite of diminutive - a kind of 'big bad' form some words can take.


yes there is, its called "zgrubienie". fine be like that, i wont explain it then.

:P
osiol Activity: 56 / 3,957
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13 Feb 2008  #18

Please explain it.
Pretty please.
Prosiaczek!
Shawn_H  
13 Feb 2008  #19

zgrubienie

Please, give us an example.

Take the common Ass for example (not the animal kind...)
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13 Feb 2008  #20

I hope this helps



yes it does ...many thanks for detailed explanation :)
JustysiaS Activity: 14 / 2,252
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13 Feb 2008  #21

Ok, zgrubienie works just like zdrobnienie (dimunitive) - you have extra endings that are being added to words, but it gives them a mostly negative meaning, or in some cases it underlines "greatness" or "big size". The endings will be for example -isko, -izda, - al, -ska. How about we use my name again ;). It would be Justysica or Justysizda, and depending in what context you use them they will be either negative, or just playful/sarcy. More examples: nose(nos) - nochal(big nose, ugly nose), zamek(castle) - zamczysko(huge castle), król(king) - królisko(big king), osioł- oślisko(huge donkey, ugly donkey). As you have probably noticed, by adding a dimunitive or a zgrubienie (not sure what that would be in English), not only you get a few extra letters at the end, but often the whole word looks different and some letters that were originally in it get replaced by others. yet again, hope it helps!
osiol Activity: 56 / 3,957
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13 Feb 2008  #22

zgrubienie (not sure what that would be in English),

Not really English, but I occasionally borrow a German uber-
I am the uberdonkey!
Doesn't work in a serious context.

hope it helps!

Yes, but then there is the rest of the grammar to throw into the mix.
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13 Feb 2008  #23

Yes, but then there is the rest of the grammar to throw into the mix.


i know and its not fun at all. didnt even wanna start on that.
Krzysztof Activity: 2 / 978
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13 Feb 2008  #24

zgrubienie (not sure what that would be in English)

pejorative

mostly negative meaning, or in some cases it underlines "greatness" or "big size"

definitely the first option (negative meaning), diminutive is more two-ways (smaller or nicer).
zamczysko(huge castle), król(king) - królisko(big king)

zamczysko - dark, unpleasant castle (with nasty ghosts, for example :)


Take the common Ass for example (not the animal kind...)


dupa - ass (arse, bottom)
dupeńka, dupcia - diminutives
dupsko - pejorative

osioł - ass/donkey
osiołek - diminutive (to underline that it's a nice ass)
oślątko - diminutive (to create "baby" version of the big animal, so a young offspring of donkeys)
cherutto  
17 Feb 2008  #25

what is the polish word for asking-what?
ksanjay Activity: 2 / 21
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17 Feb 2008  #26

A very informative/useful discussion.
Thanks Justysias.
Feel like starting my polish lessons again, which I had stopped some time back :).
JustysiaS Activity: 14 / 2,252
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17 Feb 2008  #27

Thanks Justysias.
Feel like starting my polish lessons again, which I had stopped some time back :).


ha ha glad i could help, i still surprisingly remember stuff from school so i thought i would share. thank Krzysztof, he's smarter than me by the looks of it ha ha.
nikola Activity: 3 / 18
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23 Feb 2008  #28

thanks everyoneee :)

what is the polish word for asking-what?


'Co' pronounced 'tso' i believe :)
Shawn_H  
23 Feb 2008  #29

dupeńka, dupcia - diminutives

Thanks K, I missed this one!
cinek Activity: 2 / 301
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4 Mar 2008  #30

Justysizda


Would you really like to be called like that? ;-) (you know what I mean: .izda)
I think a better (and the only I've ever heard) example would be 'Justycha'.

Other examples:

Kasia - Kacha (Katy)
Gosia - Gocha (Maggie)
Basia - Bacha (Barbara)
Zosia - Zocha (Sophie)
poduszka - poducha (pillow)
gruszka - grucha (pear)
dziewczyna - dziewucha (girl)

i tak dalej.

Cinek



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