I got an EU permanent residence permit and it is a flimsy piece of paper

Well...Last year my 5-year Karta Pobytu for EU citizens expired and I got a permanent residence permit for EU citizens. The document itself is a flimsy piece of paper, which does not fit in any wallet and I am supposed to carry it with me for 10 years (automatically renewable). Really frustrating - my previous KP was at least on CC size.

And where to buy here in Warsaw a cover to put it in....
Help.

ask for a piece of leather in a meat store and you can stitch it yourself... :))

Maybe you can roll it and hang on your neck? At least you wont lose it :P

You don't have to - I'm fairly certain that it's not valid as an identity document, so it's pointless carrying it. Anyway, EU citizens have a right to be in Poland - so even if you're stopped, as long as you have *something*, it's fine. Even a colour photocopy of the passport front page and information page is enough :)

An EU driving licence is sufficient enough if stopped anyway - as far as the Polish police are concerned, you can't have an EU licence without having legal residence in the EU.

Welll...I still have my Belgian driving licence, so that will not do... I do not want carry my passport with me everywhere all the time, knowing myself I might loose it one day for sure.

Also have my Belgian ID-card. Which is perfectly acceptable in the airport, but any other official in Poland treats it with suspicion... Could be my photo though :)

This is just because Poland as a whole is still completely unfamiliar with the concept of the national ID card being acceptable for EU travel - witness how many of them still take a passport to places like Germany!

I had a discussion with friends lately. They claim that the permanent residence permit I have (meaning the pink paper) is not a Karta Pobytu. It is true that on the document is mentioned that "this document confirms the right to stay in Poland permanently' and nowhere is written "Karta Pobytu".

But as it replaces my old KP, does it not mean it has the same value?
By the way I am very surprised there are still officials who do not know it. Two weeks ago a police officer asked what it was, and yesterday at Citibank they asked me if it was a photocopy :)

I think, that regulations changed since april 2014 about the permanent residence card for eu citizens.Now it's possible to get a permanent residence CARD and not a flimsy piece paper.

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I can't insert the sample document, sorry!!

Maybe the OP was refering to decisiaj paper the card in 2010 I had to pay a nominal fee to pick up.

bip.gov.pl


bip.udsc.gov.pl/index.php?cid=62


Anyone who has recently applied for permanent residence card for eu citizens?
Someone who can confirm.
thanks a lot!!

Yes, it has changed as of the 1st of May. It took a while for cards to start being issued, but all "confirmations of the right to permanent residency" are now issued on proper plastic cards. cpd.msw.gov.pl/dokumenty/potwierdzajacy_prawo_stalego_pobytu_obywatela_UE contains more information.

I went today to Plac Bankowy (where the EU section of the Foreigners' department now is located). Zero waiting time. The very friendly lady confirmed - Yes the piece of paper I have is now replaced by a plastic card, very similar to the Polish ID card. Theoretically you can only change it for some specific reason, but immediately I had one - my old photo is not me anymore (no moustache). Got the relevant "wniosek". Now only have to make the passport photographs and wait three weeks.

thank a lot sobieski!!
the piece of paper for permanent residence is not for the eu citizens in Poland anymore.
the plastic card will be more useful and practical.In may 2016 i hope to have mine.

Hi Sobieski!!
Did you get your new EU permanent residence card?

Yes, I picked it up two days ago. Quite an improvement on the old one! This at least will survive the next 10 years :)

Do you know if it can be used for EU travel?

Read up he is a EU citizen and thus has a right for free movement.

Thank you for stating the bleeding obvious, pigsy. However, as us EU citizens know (you aren't one, so you won't), we still need to evidence our identity. My question is whether the new Polish card is accepted for that outside Poland.

Harry, no idea. I am using my Belgian ID-card for traveling. Main thing I have a decent card now which will last its 10 years.
But what was quite interesting that the lady in the EU department (very helpful and very friendly) she smiled and told me when I remarked I finally got a decent card, that I got the best card possible and that others got - and she showed a white document without photo. So it seems there is still another kind of karta pobytu in use.

Very confusing this all is. But I suspect the white piece of paper could be a temporary one.

I think the Estonia permanent residence card is valid for traveling outside Poland in Schengen zone.I don't know the polish one.
Sobieski, what color is the EU permanent residence card of? It has the polish flag? could you put the pic here obviously without any data?

thanks..!!

Travel within the Shengen area it would probably be ok, it is NOT a valid document for travel to the UK.

That's how it looks like.
cpd.msw.gov.pl/dokumenty/potwierdzajacy_prawo_stalego_pobytu_obywatela_UE

On the reverse side there is also mentioned (not shown here), your adress where you are registered (zameldowanie), your nationality and your Pesel number. Note that the card is valid for 10 years, despite the fact you have permanent residence. After 10 years it is renewed for another 10 years.

This card is only and exclusively for EU citizens.

Delphiandomine here was not right, as I live in one of the biggest German cities and witnessed many times post clerks unwilling to accept EU id card. One was even complaining that my Polish password has Polish characters which he doesn't know how to write down (ć, ń, ó, ś, ź).

But it's partly understandable, because in Germany they have system of writing German characters with combination of 2 Latin characters (Ä, Ö, Ü, ä, ö, ü can be transcribed as Ae, Oe, Ue, ae, oe, ue).

And variety of EU Id cards is stunning, so it's hard to require from every clerk in EU to know all possible combinations. IMHO it should be unified, for example look at Italian Id:

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Or Greek:

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Finish is more similar to German or Polish, but still layout is quite different:

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Finnish_identity_card.png

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area

Of course you can travel to the UK with a Polish ID card. Many Poles use it when traveling back and forward between Poland and the UK. As a general rule, citizens of any EEA country (including Switzerland) can travel to another EEA country using their national ID card.

However, according to the strict definition, residency documents are not identity cards as defined by the law.

I have a legal opinion from the European Commission on this matter, and the relevant law allowing EU citizens to travel does not mention residency documents, only national identity cards.

However, one would expect that common sense would prevail within Schengen, particularly as the card is biometric and machine-readable.

Common sense would tell that residence permits are not valid travel documents, what with all these "students"urgently asking if their karta pobytu allows them to work anywhere in the EU :)

And Harry I think you would be outright excluded from getting the new card....Without a Pesel you would be lost completely in the application process. Still don't understand why you vehemently oppose having a pesel though.

I got an EU permanent residence last monday in Wrocław.A really nice id card.