delphiandomine Threads: 39 / Posts: 10,844
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Jul 31, 2012, 02:40am #59
Hmmm... you say that it's not comparable, but then you compare how much US specialists' make to Polish doctors, with Poles making oh... 1/8 of what Americans what.
1/8th? I don't think so. The latest figures are showing it to be more like 2/5ths of the USA - and the gap is narrowing year after year. Those figures don't even take into account the roughly 25% of the Polish economy that is "black". Then again, keep on rocking the tired old "oh, Poles are so poor, they can't afford anything" line.
If you need some hard evidence, compare the cars on the road in countries such as Greece compared to Poland.
But then again I can point out the thousands and millions of zlotys Poles had to hand out in bribes and present to receive standard everyday healthcare. Or those who couldnt wait 2-3 years for an operation and had to pay for it privately. I know dozens who had to do this.
How can you compare the two systems? Yet again - the NFZ system does what it can on a tiny budget. As for the bribes - this practice is eroding, just like it did with the police and other officials. Again - comparing a democracy of over 200 years to a very young democratic country is just insane.
But the system IN POLAND is rotten. Im interested in the "countless others" you mentioned, can you mention some specific cases. Because the de rigueur of what I'e seen is this: mention "NFZ/ZUS" to anyone and all you'll hear are groans and pleas to skip to another subject or a few hours of recollecting stories about treatment that would've left the SS impressed.
I can hardly mention specific cases because it's a public forum, but needless to say - hospitals and clinics alike, treatment has been fine and no bribes have been asked for. But you won't believe me because you choose to believe the (often embellished) stories of Poles instead - who are notorious for exaggerating alleged poor treatment.
Uhh, wtf. That's why they're doctors. That's their job, to diagnose and treat my medical problems, which in itself requires a bit of personalized human contact to understand why I may experiencing a certain afflication. I'm sure your detective skills have been honed by watching CSI, how about House? You noticed that the whole "patient's medical history" plays oh I dont konw, a huge f-ing role in medicine? Delph, how old are you, 19? Btw, yes, I remember every client of mine.
I think that's a pretty unrealistic expectation of a health care system that exists to treat the masses rather than the few. I've never, ever expected any doctor to remember me - the case notes should tell the story. And they do. Perhaps you should enquire why your doctors don't seem to have access to your case notes?
Personalised human contact? That's in the world of ridiculously high insurance premiums and "care" that exists to earn as much money as possible.
The ones you teach English to are certainly not poor. The ones you dont, i.e., 75% of the population, makes 2000zl net and dreams of buying a 10 year old VW Golf or going on their first vacation outside of Poland. Of course youd have no chance of talking to normal everyday Poles, so I dont know why Im bringing this up.
I know people earning that kind of money who go on vacation outside Poland all the time. Again - it's the tired, boring old "oh, Poles are so poor, because I base this on the old woman who has to pay for 2 alcoholic children and a moron of a grandfather that I see" story. Poles are simply not poor - end of story. If they were, why did I see countless Polish plates on a roadtrip recently?
Considering it's 5% of an average Pole's median salary who nonetheless pays for health insurance that ought to cover it in the first place, that's it's for more like 10 minutes, yea that's grossly overpaid.
It does cover it, but I'd rather see a specialist when I want rather than when the NFZ wants me to. Public consultants tend to work public hours - which don't work for me. And no, it's not grossly overpaid - although it does sound like jealousy when you say that.
Average Pole? The average Pole earns far more than 2000zl. Then again, these numbers just don't support the tired old story, do they?
Suggesting that Poles live in poverty is simply insulting to those that do.
At the end of the day, the system in Poland does what it can on the money that it has. It's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than people have got elsewhere. In terms of comparable facilities, Poland is just...fine.