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Fat People in Poland?


a.k.
27 Dec 2011 #91
Not really. It's how much you eat no matter when you eat it.

the stomach when is working is burning many calories. That's why all doctors advice to eat little and many meals instead of eating much on a few meals.
terri 1 | 1,663
27 Dec 2011 #92
All the doctors will advise eating 'healthy' foods, plenty of vegetables and fruit.
However, McDo, KFC, Burger King have become enticing as meeting places for people. What clever marketing device that is.
Doctors advise also PLENTY of daily exercise which is hard.
But remember this: in some countries 'fat people' are revered.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
27 Dec 2011 #93
they'll get fat on it just the same. It comes down to caloric intake and fat people don't know when to stop. They also are too lazy to exercise. This is not rocket science.

I agree with the last bit you stated but I think Wroc. Boy is correct as well.

The food found in Burger King is of a lower quality than you'd find in a home-cooked meal of equal caloric value. Food quality matters. You can eat a pile of sugar that has x amount of calories or an apple of x calories, which one do you think will give you the energy needed to be physically active? You're both right but to discount what he's saying about food quality is to ignore a large deposit of the problem.

Is food quality going down in Poland? The more regulation there is, the more the food quality seems to suffer. Odd how that happens, isn't it?
ReservoirDog - | 132
27 Dec 2011 #94
All the doctors will advise eating 'healthy' foods, plenty of vegetables and fruit.

agree only with plenty of vegetables. Plenty of friuts will make you fat, just one during the day is fine. Doctors are not dieticians ;).
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
27 Dec 2011 #95
Doctors are not dieticians

I sincerely hope you're not either if you're doling out the advice you just gave. Take into account a few variables which, surprise, surprise, vary among individuals before stating eating plenty of fruit will make people fat.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,879
27 Dec 2011 #96
You can eat a pile of sugar that has x amount of calories or an apple of x calories, which one do you think will give you the energy needed to be physically active?

it comes down to quantity in the end. 3,000 good calories a day will make you fatter than 2,000 bad calories.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768
27 Dec 2011 #97
I think it is not an "either/or" question but I wouldn't be at all so sure of your proposed scenario. If you eat healthy food, you'll be more inclined to engage in healthy behavior. That is a small illustration of why looking at one's eating habits absent any other variables is not the best way to reach either a diagnosis nor prognosis.
patrick 6 | 113
27 Dec 2011 #98
One thing is for sure; food is freaky in the States. My Polish wife, kid and I are moving there in 2012 and we are concerned about the food. We are going to have a 'fresh food only' rule. Too much of the food there is processed and full of chemicals. My wife very poignantly put it the first time she ate in a restaurant there "All this food is from a box."
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
27 Dec 2011 #99
One thing is for sure; food is freaky in the States.

We are going to have a 'fresh food only' rule

Most food (70%) is processed or GMO. 'A new Gallup poll of over 1,000 adults found that the average American weighs about 20 pounds more than the average American did 20 years ago. Back in 1990, according to the survey, the average American woman weighed 142; today, the average woman weighs 160 (the average weight for men in 1990 was 180 pounds, and today it's 196).'

fitsugar.com/Average-Weight-Americans-20-Pounds-Heavier-Than-20-Years-Ago-20605443
nunczka 8 | 458
27 Dec 2011 #100
One thing is for sure; food is freaky in the States. My Polish wife, kid and I are moving there in 2012 and we are concerned about the food. We are going to have a 'fresh food only' rule. Too much of the food there is processed and full of chemicals. My wife very poignantly put it the first time she ate in a restaurant there "All this food is from a box."

You might be surprised as to the abundance and quality of food in the US. Our Super Markets are chock full of excellent fresh food. What people do with it after they take it home, have no one to blame but themselves
Des Essientes 7 | 1,290
27 Dec 2011 #101
You might be surprised as to the abundance and quality of food in the US. Our Super Markets are chock full of excellent fresh food.

There are also weekly farmer's markes in many parts of America as well as numerous health food stores, but unfortunately there are also places known as "food deserts" where there aren't even nearby supermarkets and poor families are in the unenviable position of having to buy processed foods from convienience stores and gas stations.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,879
27 Dec 2011 #102
People are also just bigger now. Take a look at athletes in the 1980's vs. now for example. Linebackers of the 1980's are 2nd basemen of today. People are also taller now then they used to be.

You might be surprised as to the abundance and quality of food in the US. Our Super Markets are chock full of excellent fresh food. What people do with it after they take it home, have no one to blame but themselves

my wife and i go to farmer's markets all the time, we have them in every direction, and let's not forget about Whole Foods and Trader Joe's, they're almost exclusively organic now.

like i said, it's easier to be fat in the USA but it's also easier to be healthy. I like that my country provides such options.
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
27 Dec 2011 #103
Well with athletes it's different, they're made big by their trainers for a reason. To be bigger and stronger to dominate not just equal their opponents. Look at the NFL defensive linemen these people after their career is over are cripples, 350-400 pound mini dinosaurs. But I know ther point you're trying to make, people are taller now then ever before so weight must also increase but as the article points out people's perception on how heavy (thick) a person should be has changed. That's because if 2/3 going on 3/4 of Americans are overweight what was normal before seems underweight nowadays.
scottie1113 7 | 898
28 Dec 2011 #104
That's because if 2/3 going on 3/4 of Americans are overweight

Patently untrue.
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
28 Dec 2011 #105
True.
4:50 of video

youtube.com/watch?v=slwgXXVXM3I
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,879
28 Dec 2011 #106
Well with athletes it's different, they're made big by their trainers for a reason.

but they're made a lot bigger today than 30 or 40 years ago, which is my point.

we can't just limit this to professional/college level athletes, either. you have to consider the fact that boys start lifting weights now at 12 or 13 years old and have tons of supplements at their disposal waiting for them at GNC to make them bigger, faster. Any kid working a part time job after school can earn enough to buy his protein shakes and a jug of creatine powder each month. If you were to compare a freshmen high school football team in 1980 vs today, you'd see much bigger, stronger more muscular kids now.

movie actors back then compared to now. nowadays, actors have to be completely shredded and muscled up to even have a chance unless you're a fat comedian or something.

cops then vs. now.

firemen then vs. now.

lifeguards then vs. now.

etc. etc.

add all that up and you get millions, enough to certainly sway statistics.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,163
28 Dec 2011 #107
unfortunately there are also places known as "food deserts" where there aren't even nearby supermarkets and poor families are in the unenviable position of having to buy processed foods from convienience stores and gas stations.

Car culture for you.
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
28 Dec 2011 #108
movie actors back then compared to now. nowadays, actors have to be completely shredded and muscled up to even have a chance unless you're a fat comedian or something.

Yea I know but that's just a portion of them. Most don't exercise just take in exes calories and protein which turn into fat.
patrick 6 | 113
28 Dec 2011 #109
let's not forget about Whole Foods and Trader Joe's, they're almost exclusively organic now.

I know that those places have high-quality food, but I can just see all the labels now: "Organic", "Low Fat", "Healthy".

Yes, I know there is plenty of fruit and veg, but so many people eat boxed food.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,854
28 Dec 2011 #110
I know that those places have high-quality food, but I can just see all the labels now: "Organic", "Low Fat", "Healthy".

Trader Joes supply quality foods?

Lol!

I like Americans, but do you guys have your taste buds removed at birth?
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
28 Dec 2011 #111
If you eat food that tastes a certain way for years you forget or even never had the chance to know how it's supposed to taste. I remember the last time I was in Poland and ate fresh from the farm meats and veggies and the meals made from them, I thought I was in heaven. My taste buds were going nuts. Although I have yet to taste a better steak than an American one.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,854
28 Dec 2011 #112
Although I have yet to taste a better steak than an American one

Try an Argie, Irish, or maybe a fillet from Brasil.

Irish beef is the best in the world.

Argie is second.

I spend a lot of time in your nation. And I have nothing but good things to say about average Americans. I am Irish and we are known for our hospitality, but you chaps leave us as the hal'penny place. Americans are great, but the food is muck.

I use the steakhouse two for one deals, when in the states. Its nice American steak. But its riddled with MSG.

Ive got a poor sense of smell but an unreal sense of taste, so I pick up on these things.

Your buffalo wings are a different story......

And a cheese steak from phili!

And brats in WI!
PennBoy 76 | 2,432
28 Dec 2011 #113
Try an Argie, Irish, or maybe a fillet from Brasil.

Found this 'The country that has the BEST beef is Japan, hands down! They have kobe beef, which is so tender that it literally melts in your mouth. It is basically like heaven.

The United States has the second best beef. I have had beef in some european countries such as Poland, Germany, and the UK, and it is okay but not as good as the US. Their beef is kind of grainy and stringy compared to ours.' And I've heard this from other world travelers it's hard to top US beef.
Polonius3 994 | 12,367
28 Dec 2011 #114
The fatso factor is most obvious in the English-speaking world (USA, Canada, UK, etc.), and I wonder why that is. The French just acorss the Channel are still quite svelte.

Poland has a long way to go to catch up with the States, but obesity and overweight are growing, esp. amongst youngsters. Probably the US-style snack and computer-game culture is largely to blame.

Anyoen interested in the porblem can check out:

The Children's Health Center in Warsaw on Monday discussed with overweight and obesity in children aged 7-18 years.

In 2007, the Institute " Monument - Children's Health Center " started the research project " Olaf " , the aim of which was to include determine the prevalence of overweight and obesity in the population of Polish children 7-18 years old . From November 2007 . Until November 2009 . Study was conducted on 17 573 children and adolescents.

bullfrog 6 | 602
28 Dec 2011 #115
Polonius3
In my view, that's because there was an "utilitarian" view of eating in most anglo countries, a bit like putting petrol in the car to keep it on the move. That leads to an attitude where the quicker and the faster you eat the better, to be compared to the countries like Italy or France where eating is viewed as a pleasure and takesa little longer. I wrote "was" because things are slowly changing, and certainly in the UK, more an more people view having a meal as something to be enjoyed as much as just "filling up"..
Harry
28 Dec 2011 #116
Kobe beef is indeed superb. But it is also stupidly expensive and rather likely to have been frozen for too long. Personally I'd say the best steaks I've ever had were from French Charolais and Cesky Strakaty Skot.
nunczka 8 | 458
28 Dec 2011 #117
unfortunately there are also places known as "food deserts"

I have no idea what you are talking about.The only places in America that are lacking in food markets are those that are in minority neighborhoods. They found out many years ago that those stores lose money..The same is true with our once prosperous Malls.. As neighborhoods change.. Businesses move out.
patrick 6 | 113
28 Dec 2011 #118
Yeah, I must admit that I've only been to Trader Joe's once. Talkin' out of my bung hole.
FUZZYWICKETS 8 | 1,879
28 Dec 2011 #119
somebody obviously is because their food is very good.
scottie1113 7 | 898
28 Dec 2011 #120
PennBoy, I watched the video. I differed with you because I thought that you were referring to obese people, not just people who are overweight. Assuming that two out of three Americans are overweight (a figure I don't believe), that could include anybody who's even a few pounds heavier than than their ideal weight up to an 800 pound man. But I'll accept your point.

And it's still about calories burned versus calories taken in that makes people fat. There's no getting around this.

I see quite a lot of overweight people in Poland but vert few who are truly obese, and there's a difference between overweight, fat and obese. Unfortunately, there are far too many people in the US who are fat or obese and it's no wonder that so many of these people have health problems because of it.


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