I'm looking job in Northampton

I'm 23 years old women and i looking for job in Northampton since 12 may 2006. I have experience like as store-keeper and care assistant, i looking for job like picker, paker on warehouse or in factory, i finish The Higher School of Banking in Wroclaw ( poland ), i have driving licence category B, insurance number, home office and accound number.

..so this is one of the hundreds of those "generic" schools of "higher" education where all those who weren`t able to pass the entery exam onto a normal university end up..

I`d call paying for that kind of "education" - a bad investment - all of that money - and all of it wasted.. ..they haven`t even teached you how to write in a foraign language properly.. and you`ve ended up as a picker in the UK.. Jeez.

Our country needs highly trained welders and turners - if you didn`t had enough brains to pass the entery exam - you could have tried applying for a school that would teach you some useful knowledge..

and now - look at you...

Such schools schouldn`t have recived the license in the first place...

Well, in the US for example, every second school is "generic" :|. Academic business (just like health business) is blooming there...

Here all of those sh*tty schools appeared right after the end of communism - the most part of them only devaluates the meaning of higher education.

Well, I`m pis*ed of by this, cose yesterday I`ve made my Masters degree in Management - on a real university, I have higher education and I would like to start up my own company, but what does it mean to have higher education when at the same time there are so many screwups who after graduating some sh*tty business schools - in legal sense - are able to say about themselves that they have higher education as well.. You know, It takes away a large part of the whole idea of having higher education...

I know - you get the money, you get a diploma. In a similar way - you get the money, you have the right to live; if not, die...

No. It`s about respect and social status but whatever.

Oh dear- this is the worst kind of intellectual snobbery.She will probably make more money as a picker in England than you will make as a genius in Poland.Just because you are well educated you think you are better than others? Sorry but out in the real world some of the most successful people had little education but worked hard.You think you deserve special treatment just because you went to a fancy university?I think you will find working life a big shock.

I understand that you are a picker as well.

If I was I would still be earning more than the non-working snobs....... like you

How do you know that - I don`t have a job ? What else do you know - can you tell me the color of my underware or what have I eaten for breakfast ?

Maybe you do have a great job-that's why you want to start up your own company

The real money here is being made by entrepreneurs and specialists. The point is that anyone in this country can become an entrepreneurs or with enough effort a specialist - which in my opinion should enjoy a certain respect becaouse of the higher education and becaouse of their efforts - but there are also a lot of screwups in this country who are devaluating the word "higher education".

I understand what you are saying,but I would respect someone because of their efforts-not because they have higher education

Ok - but what kind of effort is it to graduate some kind of shi*tty school and then work as a picker in the UK ? Wouldn`t it be better to get some kind of useful (though perhaps not higher) education and then work in a normal job here - which if you take into account lower living costs are quite well paid as well - if someone indeed is a good worker and puts an effort in constantly widening his skills - instead of making a monkey out of himself/herself in the UK..

I would rather take advice from someone who had only worked in a particular job for 3 years than someone who had only studied it for 3 years.
My only experience of the work climate in Poland is speaking to Polish people here in the UK who once had good,skilled jobs in Poland but tell me there is now nothing in their area of Poland-unless they work for Ł100-Ł150 per month.So many people have said this they cannot all be lying!
Yes,its better to be a picker in the UK than unemployed in Poland.

Well, first of - you have to study 5 years before becoming a Master - and I had a couple of jobs during that time.

Secondly - Ł100-Ł150 is 590 - 885 PLN - do you know how much that its ?

Yes-its Ł100-Ł150 per month.If someone gets the lowest paid job on minimum wage in Britain they will earn around Ł700 after tax.If they are aged over 25 they will get another Ł160 each month tax credit.Thats Ł860 minimum.If they have children they will get more.

The average wage in Poland - 3 years ago in PLN were dependant on :

Age 17-23 24-26 27-29 30-35 36-40 41-45 46-60
women 1367 1827 2407 2876 2818 2900 3239
men 1655 2305 3124 4203 4707 4688 4509

Education basic higschool liceum technikum bechelor d., university stud, higher, higher diploma (i.e. a doctoral degree)
women 1611 1843 1794 2057 2635 3049
Men 2062 2292 2412 2888 3997 4984


Job stanowiska basic specialist, manager, director general, CEO
women 1683 2411 4216 6618 7231
man 1893 3010 4885 8451 10742

...well the CEOs earn much more that it is shown here - but this is a different issue - and it has to do with tax-evasion..

..you`ll have to take into account that the living costs in Poland are equal to some 60% of those in the UK..

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But what`s more important is that there is a thing in Poland called "taxes" as well as social security - they take away about 1/2 of the loan - but they don`t have to pay for the education, healthcare as well as their pension.

An average Pole who is comming to the UK - is an unskilled, lowskilled, a person with higher education who graduated some kind of useless study (i.e. Bulgarian-filology) or as here someone who graduated some shi*tty school - in most cases those people don`t take into account that those people are paying taxes!

Beside that - you don`t understand the Polish mentality - especially the Polish peasantry mentality... you don`t understand that it is against Polish culture to openly talk about money.. ..You also don`t understand that it is a Polish rural tradition to complain about everything and exaggerate everything... ...take the term "we`re immigrating to be able to earn for our bread" as an example - that is being used by the Poles who are searching for work in the UK - do you think that they really are searching for work becaouse here they would die out of hunger here ? ..No - it`s an old XVIII-XIX century saying used by the Polish peasentry who migrated from one village to another in search of work which allowed them to survive during the winter...
...Part of my family lives on the land - they have 100ha of land , a forest, a lumber mill, 2 very large houses, farming equipment worth a coupple of million PLN and 5 cars.. ..do you know what they say when they are asked about their business.. or how`s going ? ...They say it`s TERRIBLE - and it`s getting WORSE - and it`s that way since the time I can remember.

You have to understand those people - it`s against their menbtality to say it`s "OK" or it`s "GOOD", cose this is the way they have been raised - and the reason of that are the traditional social conditions - that are in existance in Polish villiges at least since the XVIII century.

To understand what I mean by "traditional social conditions" I`d recomend you to reading "Chlopi" (Peasants) by Wladyslaw Reymont (written in 1909) or viewing the movie "Wesele" (the Wedding - made in 2004).. or living together with a Polish rural family for a while.. ..then you`ll understand

Ok Wujek,you know more about this than I do so I will take your word for it.Hopefully these people will become less negative and more positive as Poland prospers.

Yeach, and I understand that the employeers are respecting that rule while hiring immigrants Lets say that you`re earning 1000 pounds per month wothout taxation.. so in other words - you`re earning 5900 PLN.. if you`d take into account the living costs in the UK, it`s 5900*0,6 PLN = 3540 PLN (without taxation) ..the average pay in Poland is c.a. 2400 PLN (without taxation) For an average worker - is it really worth making a monkey out of himself/herself in the UK ? I don`t think so.

No they don`t - in case of the Polish farmers - they would find a reason to complain - even if they would all drive Ferraris and have learjets at their disposal.. they would probably say that the gasoline costs are killing them - it has been always that way and it always will.

You need to add tax credits to these wages.For example a person over 25 with 2 children on minimum wage (Ł700 after tax)would get another Ł500 per month tax credit.The total is Ł1200 after tax on minimum wage NOT average wage.

We`ve got something similar - it`s being called "kwota wolna od podatku" - you simply aren`t paying any taxes from that sum - it`s for all - not only families with children ..and you can have taxreturns on various items you`ve been purchasing ..and there are various social benefits. In some professions the employees recive 13 or more monthly wages per year.. ..and now, each family with a newborn child recives 2000 PLN after the childs birth.. education as well as healthcare is either 100% or partly funded from the state budget ..I don`t know about all of the social benefits in the UK - but I can tell you that we`ve got a lot more of them than you do.

An immigrant in the UK - especially a person doing a shi*ty job can only recive a minimum wage or less - making a monkey out of himself/herself.

Beside I was counting 1000 pounds, not 700.

A worker with 2 children on the minimum wage in Britain will get:
1.Ł700 per month wages(after tax)
2.plus Ł500 per month (tax credits payment)
3. Ł110 per month Child Benefit (regardless of income)
4. Schools and healthcare are also free here
5.For a newborn baby you get an extra Ł545 for the year plus a Ł250 baby voucher (to invest)

So why are these people pouring into Britain? Do they come here and stay because they enjoy making a monkey of themselves?

So in other words it`s 700*5,9*0,6 PLN = 2478 PLN netto..
In Poland an average worker would recive about 1000-1200 PLN netto..

..in the first case this worker would have to do a sh*tty job ..i.e. cleaning crap..

in the second case the worker would have to do a normal job i.e. he would have to work as a baker..

Is it worth to making a monkey out of himself/herself becaouse of an additional 1200 PLN per month - In my opinion - not.

Wujek for President (or Premier!)

According to statistical research only a small portion of them wants to stay in your country.

And why do they go to your country in the first place, well there are various reasons:

- often it`s stupidity and the lack of understanding of basic economic principles - cose - earning 6000 PLN per month for someone with basic education sounds nice - but they often don`t realize that those 6000 PLN are only on paper - and in fact they are earning only 1200 PLN more per month - under far worse conditions - as if they would work in Poland - so they often live in appealing conditions - and they are saving on everything - even food - to bring as much to Poland - sometimes they land on the street - in that case - if they are from rural background - they prefer to live on the street rather to return to Poland to their families - becaouse their faliour would lower their "image" (or the respect) in their family among their neighbours and in their home village.

- it`s 1200 PLN more than you`d earn working in Poland - some students or fresh graduates are willing to take a shi*tty job in your country - for a couple of months - to be able to gather some money to start a new business or gather some capital fast to make their new living at home.

- people in some proffesions - like nurses - have better career opportunities in the UK than in Poland


Reason no. 1 is most common though.

btw.



Is it really so ? I know that I could check that - but is the highschools, technical universitie and college education in the UK being financed from the state budget as well ?