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Polson
  Sep 27, 07, 16:01  #61

Quoting: lech
What do you have against old people?


I like old people, but some react as if we were still in 1950.... ;)

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lech [Guest]
  Sep 27, 07, 16:13  #62

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Go Jaro !

Yeah go, Jaroslaw Kaczynski will make you go to Iraq. To hell with that!

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Polson
  Sep 27, 07, 16:20  #63

How a normal today person can support this...man ?...(wondering)...

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lech [Guest]
  Sep 27, 07, 16:21  #64

Quoting: Lukasz
nothing ... Kashubian=Silesian=Mazowian=Polish

If kashubians are Polish why does Tusk call himself a member of a minority?

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Matyjasz
  Sep 27, 07, 16:21  #65

Quoting: Polson
Are you sure of that ?


Yes, Grzegorz is right.


Quoting: Polson

No, i mean i don't care if Lech and Jaro are Christian !! I really don't care, but when they take decisions, it would be great to put their beliefs aside, and think like normal people !


Oh I love that kind of statements. It's OK for a Christian man to engage into politics as long as he thinks as an atheist. Sounds like a clear sign of discrimination if you ask me. But lets put your argument on its head. Imagine a country where 99% of population is atheist and politicians are allowed to engage in politics only if they think like, lets say, Catholics for example? What do you think about that? Silly idea innit?

Me thinks that a lot of westerners have a strange attitude when it comes to the separation of church and state. In Poland this term means that church doesn’t interfere in the politics and in fact this is the official doctrine of Polish Catholic Church. Unfortunately there are some priests that don't obey that rule, like father Jankowski for example, but this is a topic for another interesting debate. The bottom line is, that this rule doesn’t concern lay people. If there are people that want a Christian party in the parliament, then it’s their right to vote for them. You can't forbid them to do so. You may not like it, but as far as I know its what’s democracy is all about.

Quoting: Polson
Euthanasia and abortion are special and difficult subjects. It should be a choice for both : if a person suffers from a disease, and can't bear it anymore, wants to die, how you, the normal and healthy person can decide he or she has not the right to stop suffering ??!



Yes, it's certainly the case with people that suffer from a great pain. But what about paralyzed people, people in comma, etc... A lot of them have suicidal thoughts because they don't feel needed. Imagine how easy it would be just to give them a document to sign about their death during their depression.... One signature and the problem is solved. No more worries... for us of course.

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Polson
  Sep 27, 07, 16:27  #66

Quoting: Matyjasz
Yes, it's certainly the case with people that suffer from a great pain. But what about paralyzed people, people in comma, etc... A lot of them have suicidal thoughts because they don't feel needed. Imagine how easy it would be just to give them a document to sign about their death during their depression.... One signature and the problem is solved. No more worries... for us of course.


That's why i said it's a difficult subject, cause we can't just give a paper to sign to this kind of person. We could let the family discuss with the concerned person, the doctors too, and maybe a psychologist...

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James123 [Guest]
  Sep 27, 07, 16:58  #67

Quoting: Polson
How a normal today person can support this...man ?...(wondering)...



Please define how you understand normal! I support the twins in their effort to rid us of certain figures from the communists past who still hold positions of influence in Poland. Am I to understand that's not normal?

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James123 [Guest]
  Sep 27, 07, 17:01  #68

Quoting: Truth
Probably the biggest dim wit and and incompetent bigot modern democracy has seen.



Absolute rubbish! Stop making outlandish statement that have nothing to do with reality!

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Polson
  Sep 27, 07, 17:03  #69

They may do things not that bad sometimes (even if i don't know if it's very useful to know who did something 20 years ago), but they do many things that are not very "good", and somebody else could do what they do, or better than they ;)

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truhlei
  Sep 27, 07, 17:07  #70

Quoting: James123
I support the twins in their effort to rid us of certain figures from the communists past

What efficient have they done for that?

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James123 [Guest]
  Sep 27, 07, 17:07  #71

Quoting: Polson
They may do things not that bad sometimes (even if i don't know if it's very useful to know who did something 20 years ago), but they do many things that are not very "good", and somebody else could do what they do, or better than they ;)



What are you talking about? I deal with these horrific individuals on a daily basis. They have positions in all state institutions and in many other areas.

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James123 [Guest]
  Sep 27, 07, 17:10  #72

Quoting: truhlei
What efficient have they done for that?



Dealt once and for all with the digusting way Russia seeks to use it's energy muscle within the EU. Stood up to a European parliament bending over backwards to do business with the former KGB mafia in Russia

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Polson
  Sep 27, 07, 17:14  #73

So the only good thing done by the Kaczynskis is "fighting" the ex-communists ! Great !

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truhlei
  Sep 27, 07, 17:16  #74

Quoting: James123
Dealt once and for all with the digusting way Russia seeks to use it's energy muscle within the EU. Stood up to a European parliament bending over backwards to do business with the former KGB mafia in Russia

I asked you only about Jaro's real activities against communist mafia in Poland? What has he done besides the victory over marasmatic sinecura at military intelligence?

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James123 [Guest]
  Sep 27, 07, 17:16  #75

Starting to impliment certain laws that stop members of the former criminal communist party from hiding behind the non access to secret police file. Finding those guilty of crimes against the Polish people during the communist period and punishing them accordingly. Soon we will have laws to lower their state pensions or even in some cases stop the pensions altogether

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truhlei
  Sep 27, 07, 17:18  #76

Quoting: Polson
So the only good thing done by the Kaczynskis is "fighting" the ex-communists ! Great !

A'm long away from Poland. I don't have information about that fight against ex-communists. What are the efficient steps against post communists?

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truhlei
  Sep 27, 07, 17:19  #77

Quoting: James123
Finding those guilty of crimes against the Polish people during the communist period and punishing them accordingly.

Who was found guilty?

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tornado2007
  Sep 27, 07, 17:19  #78

you guys think you have a problem with good candidates over there, take a look at our candidates,

Gordon Browne (Labour)
David Cameron (Conservative)
all the others don't matter because they don't stand a chance :)

not much of a choice really

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truhlei
  Sep 27, 07, 17:20  #79

Quoting: James123
Soon we will have laws to lower their state pensions or even in some cases stop the pensions altogether

What types of people will be under this measure?

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Polson
  Sep 27, 07, 17:20  #80

Quoting: truhlei
I don't have information about that fight against ex-communists



Don't live in Poland either ;)

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James123 [Guest]
  Sep 27, 07, 17:22  #81

Quoting: Polson
So the only good thing done by the Kaczynskis is "fighting" the ex-communists ! Great !



The is the most important issue if Poland really wants to move forward politically and economically and not end up as a failed latin American experiment. Certain individuals need to be brought to justice before the country can move into a new era.

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truhlei
  Sep 27, 07, 17:22  #82

Quoting: tornado2007
you guys think you have a problem with good candidates over there, take a look at our candidates,

Gordon Browne (Labour)
David Cameron (Conservative)
all the others don't matter because they don't stand a chance :)

not much of a choice really

You had to give that advice earlier. In this case these gentlemen could become candidates not only to Polish prime ministry but also to Russian one

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Polson
  Sep 27, 07, 17:23  #83

So politics sucks... :p

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truhlei
  Sep 27, 07, 17:24  #84

Quoting: James123
Certain individuals need to be brought to justice before the country can move into a new era.

What individuals and how their punishment will help you to build your personal future?

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James123 [Guest]
  Sep 27, 07, 17:25  #85

Quoting: truhlei
What types of people will be under this measure?



Former members of the SB secret police, individuals that took control, illegally, of former state companies while preaching communist values to the masses, former members of the legal profession, high ranking army officers and many more.

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tornado2007
  Sep 27, 07, 17:26  #86

Quoting: truhlei
In this case these gentlemen could become candidates not only to Polish prime ministry but also to Russian one

really that sounds outrageous, that could lead to all kinds of funny business if one or two of them were candidates for both countries, how is this allowed to happen?? sorry for my lack of knowledge here

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truhlei
  Sep 27, 07, 17:29  #87

Quoting: tornado2007
really that sounds outrageous, that could lead to all kinds of funny business if one or two of them were candidates for both countries, how is this allowed to happen?? sorry for my lack of knowledge here

Cameron is better. Blair-Browne semms to be a little obsolete.

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tornado2007
  Sep 27, 07, 17:31  #88

Quoting: truhlei
Cameron is better. Blair-Browne semms to be a little obsolete.

tend to agree but Cameron seems weak to me and a country with a weak leader can only lead to big trouble. What happens if the country is hit by a crisis, i don't think Cameron would have a clue, at least Blair would take action, whether its the right/wrong action i don't know :)

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James123 [Guest]
  Sep 27, 07, 17:32  #89

Quoting: truhlei
What individuals and how their punishment will help you to build your personal future?



I will never except the fact that former communist criminals received state pensions of up to 10 times the national average. That they have the right to enter positions of public office, positions they once had and used to destroy the country economically and create a moral void that ripped apart society by the use of secret police.

They were incompetent in all areas of economic management and their removal will benefit economic prosperity

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truhlei
  Sep 27, 07, 17:34  #90

Quoting: James123
Former members of the SB secret police, individuals that took control, illegally, of former state companies while preaching communist values to the masses, former members of the legal profession, high ranking army officers and many more.

And party members who made their career anywhere thanks to party participation. What is the moral difference between them and secret police officers?
Why opposition persecution is criminal and teaching children Darvinism by teachers-party members isn't criminal?
And what about young children of former "criminals"? They made good careers in business thanks to their parents' influence in transitorial perioud. Should they loose them? How to do that if yes and what about the effeciency of all these measures if no?

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