March of Tolerance in Krakow

OK. Now I will say something. I took my son for walk in time of gay parade day in NYC. There where some "civilized homos" in rubber uniforms. My 6 year old child asked me: “Hey, Dad, why this lady is on the leash?” “This is her way of life”, I said. How, to hell can I explain to 6 years old, why she is on the leash?!!! Wanna be homo? So be it, but don’t force me and my children to watch your garbage on the streets.

Prove its not!

No offense G , but Puzzler, do you live with G? do you go out with him nightly?

we dont hear every mans story , the media tells what they want to tell. show the
public what they think we should see. unless we witness it, some things will never
be told on national television. so no, we dont know about all the beating of native
europeans, just as you dont know about every beating that occurs in the states
or in canada.. get a grip already!

Now yes, this is where I also draw the line. because there are people who dont need
to show this in public.

to me, whether its man or woman, or woman with woman, etc these are bedroom
fantasies, this should not be something you show to the public.

coming out of the closet doesnt mean you have to share everything you do in the
closet!! we certainly dont share our bedroom experiences as man and woman in
public by wearing leashes to work daily just to prove something..



if you do, then seriously, please involve some help. or contact jerry springer!!

'March of Tolerance' my butt. This is oldfashion agitprop, right out of a University textbook.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop

Godless people with a mental illness pushing an agenda.

Do homosexuals, transexuals, bisexuals have rights? Yes

But their individual rights end where society's collective rights begin.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_do c_19751229_persona-humana_en.html

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/family/documents/rc_pc_fami ly_doc_20001109_de-facto-unions_en.html

z

experience suggests that nothing the vatican proclaims should be taken as gospel

Well, that's true for a christians who protest's the truth that is Christ's church.

But for Christians who remain part of the holy mother church as established by Jesus Christ all documents issued ex cathedra are a matter of 'Gospel'

Gospel: "Glad tidings" or "good news, " The English word gospel is derived from the Anglo-Saxon word godspell, which meant "good news." As now used, it means the message of Christianity and the books in which the story of Christ's life and teaching is found (Rom 1:15, 16). In the New Testament the word is never applied to a book but to the message (Rom 1:1; 1 Thess 3:2,9; Acts 20:24; Eph. 6:15). The message of God's plan for redeeming humanity.


For the record - All Catholics are Christian, but not all christians are Catholic.

z.

ain't that the truth! RE the tolerance march - the church could stand to be a bit more tolerant in its stances towards homosexuality. they dont need to promote it but they dont need to attack it either.

I know some wont agree with that statement but again i say that we all have the right to privacy in the bedroom and not to impose our standards of what a persons sexuality should be.

RE the parades - ive posted my views already in this thread

Exactly. Keep that mess behind locked doors.

i think March of Tolerance in Krakow should be illegal
i hate them all

who... men who wear dresses and have sex with little boys...?

wait... we're not talking about priests... are we...?

have you ever seen real homo???
they want only you, they don't understand that, I like only women:P

actually... i know quite a few wee willy woofters as it goes... including one of poland's better known shirt lifters... i have absolutely no problem with the fact that he wants me... in fact im quite flattered... and definately not scared that he might have his wicked way with me as soon as i turn my back...

Sorry I had to :)

thats not true mate. i know many too and it is not like that at all.

I like only women too and it doesnt prevent being friends with other women who want only men or want only women etc

I'm not supposed to wear a leash?!?!.....................................now they tell me.....

I don't know people, who thiking about them like normal people...
when i thinking about I fell bad and sick ;/ it have been a one beer too much:)

Because you wear pants my friend :up: ---------(that looks really dumb without smilies :( )

look, every man thinking about one, he is a man too:)
i'm going to sleep, becouse I feel bad:)

Do you have trouble with english? Or was it just typos? You drunk?



Sorry, just wanna know what you said is all :)

Everyone is entiltled 2 their own opinion, if we all had the same views/opinions on various topics, wouldnt it be borning? For me gays, lesbians, bi's are people with feelings like every human being, doesnt make them any different or less of a human being. Live to love, love to live. With any sexuality it ok to let others know what you are, but parading and doing sexual acts, exposures, or anything undecent is unnessecary, there's a time and place for it.

here here KJ :) ...i agree with you!

Polish People are National Socialists - they do what S.N. do.

No. It's just that they yet have to come of age. Like Ireland it's a Catholic country that has been listening to idiotic Catholic dogma's and so on for decades. In fact they have listened to it so long that the society is a bit retarded from other societies in this sense that they yet have to come to accept that homosexuality is a normal part of society. That's all. The Polish society just has to come of age.

M-G (does however think that the Polish society drastically has to review it's views on these issues as their views are not contemporary anymore)

Well, that's the problem. It is NOT normal, as it is the result of some psychological flaw. I have personally no hate or disgust against gays. I'm just against the fact that some governments tend to normalize it.

More globally, I have to say I'm now really fed up with that "dictatorship of minorities" which is just to reduce the social frustration of a few individuals, which they encounter as the result of some aspect of their identity.

There was a project in Belgium, to start teaching elementary school kids that homosexuality or transgender is "normal". Yes, to elementary school kids! I can understand the noble goal of this - to praise tolerance - but is it really the smartest thing to do with kids in the process of building their own personality?

Unfortunately, this is the society of fashionable political correctness. Homosexuality is an example but there are many others. Anyway, in Europe today, if you are white, christian, with a job, a family, and if you are a law-abiding citizen because you were educated to be, you should almost be ashamed of yourself and apologize...

STOP! I'm OK for not discriminating against minorities, but don't ever integrate that to the norm. The norm is the majority. Keep society on its track! That's how it was built and still stands.

There you go wrong: it is not psychological; it's a genetic thing. By calling it psychological you are basically saying that homosexuals are mental patients, which is a gross insult to them as there are many who are much smarter than you are and have better jobs than you have.

Teaching schoolkids about the normality of homosexuality is a good thing, I think. It would prevent a lot of hurt and gay-bashing and discrimination in the future as these kids have learned to accept homosexuality as normal part of society, a flaw which older generations have to cope with as they have always been thought that it is a deprivation of some sort. And: just because 1 million ppl believe it's wrong, doesn't mean that it actually IS wrong! The opinion of 1 million ppl is all too often brought forward as evidence that it must be true. But it doesn't prove anything; the only thing it proves is that 1 million ppl think like that. Nothing else.
It's just a matter of respect. If you don't respect somebody else, how can you expect that that other person respects you? Unfortunately most ppl who talk about the "dictatorship" of minorities don't respect those minorities and at the same time expect those minorities to be respectful of them. As long as this crooked way of thinking exists, nothing will be solved and nothing will progress. We need to get rid of it.

M-G

Homosexuality is not just biological, it is caused by environment as well, usually the behaviour and relation between parents and children. To claim that it is 100% genetic is just as ideological as the social acceptance or reject of it. And what about transgender, is it genetic? :)

There is no coherent society without norms and you can't expect to have a functioning society on the long term if it is built on a "help yourself" model, where everybody will choose behaviours like if they were picking from a restaurant menu. I'm not saying that people who don't comply with the mainstream should be abducted, sent to Auschwitz and cut into tiny pieces (certainly not!), I just mean that the mainstream should prevail culturally, legally and morally. Tolerance but not normalization. And at a time where people easily cross the border between freedom and anarchy, I will also regret the fact that "respect for difference" is too often used to merely tolerate mediocrity.

Well that settles it doesn't it? No need to refer to any difinitive studies or research (which there is none of to my knowledge), you just said it so it must be true-in your mind at least.


just like in nazi germany eh? or how about in Rwanda, ethnic cleansing was the norm there too y'know? I realize those are extreme examples but that is the extreme of the logic you've presented. Besides that, i'd say that culturally homosexuality is not the norm nor does this parade seek to turn anyone gay, it's just some gay people saying that they are tired of pretending to be like you or me cause that's how people like you or I want everyone to be.

Beyond that, one really has to ask how the mainstream isn't prevailing in all those areas, i'd say heterosexuality has prevailed in all those areas, and the people who aren't "straight" may be a lil tired of living in a place where everyone considers them strange or wrong, mostly out of small-mindedness, ignorance or in the name of god (which if you think about it, is quite blasphemous to assume one of god's creations [if you believe in god] isn't exactly how god wanted it to be)

I do agree with not tolerating the re-enacting of sexuality on the streets and the uhhh exposing of one's fantasies- and really feel that's an abbuse of people's efforts in trying to be accepting (obnoxious too0. That being said, there is a lot of overt heterosexuality displayed in public that is also best left expressed in private.

The mainstream should prevail legally? Meaning the government has a right to regulate wat u do in ur own bedroom? If thats your opinion ur a very twizted fascist indeed! If homosexuality is completely environmental then how come there are gay animals? I understand there very well may be environmental factors but there is definitely genetic factors in human behavior as well!

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20718

Yes societies have norms but norms are not always morally or ethically right! They are considered ethical for the time but if u look back a few hundred years or even 50 years u will discover those norms would b scorned today! Like certain professions being "males only" and the norm for voters being "white only". "functioning" is an opinion. Yes the old systems of segregation and gender norms functioned but they were very oppressive!

Gays will be allowed to marry in 50 years in most 1st world countries wether or not u like it! The only argument against gay marriage is in religion! Who are you to force ur religious beliefs on other people? A while ago probably a few hundred years ago u HAD to b christian! If u were not the whole town would probably accuse u of witchcraft or they just might all shun u! Norms are never a good thing!

Please provide me one good deduction that doesn't use religious premises or the assumption of a deity. Then come to the conclusion that homosexuality is immoral and i will believe it!
Homosexuality and transgender are 2 different issues that cannot b discussed in the same light! What business is it of yours wat people do with their own bodies?



I love ur opinion on preaching acceptance in schools to children at young ages! Its kind of ridiculous to preach antiracism and not gay acceptance! U cannnot discriminate against gays in the workplace if u do and they get an attorney they can b awarded millions in reparations! U can't even ask some1 wat their sexual orientation is in a job interview!

U better get used to it people gays are everywhere! My dad works with several prominent gays as well as my mom! By stressing about the ethics of it ur just causing urself grief over something that doesn't concern u! We do need acceptance education in schools!

My freshman year in college this FB jock on scholarship was hit on by a gay guy. The gay guy didn't say anything that terrible to him either just "hello gorgeous" or something like that. The jock got really angry but didn't tell him to not say those things and after he sat down at a lunch table and talked to some of his friends he came to the conclusion that he needed retribution. So he walked over the the gay kid and said "don't ever talk to me again" and the gay kid said "chill out im sorry honey" after that the jock grabbed him by the thoat and thew him on ground!

A bunch of ppl jumped on the jock and he walked away really angry! The gay kid went righ to the cops got him arrested. After that he was convicted of a hate crime and booted out of school with a criminal record. He ended up in jail for a while and the kid also got a few thousand in damages! Maybe if the jock had a tolerance class he wouldn't have ruined his life b/c a gay guy called him "gorgeous"! HAHAHAHAHA that homophobe got wat he deserved!

Should we also apply this equally to immigrants, demanding they accept and abide by the cultural, legal and moral norms of their guest country?