March of Tolerance in Krakow

Yes there are. According to them, genetics make some individuals predisposed for homosexuality. What will then catalyse it (or not) and make a person become homosexual is the relation she will have with the environment while growing up and building her identity as the image of herself given back to her by the environment. A friend of mine (she's a psychologist) says that in many cases where a man is gay, it's a trauma caused by having the combination of an absent or despising father with an authoritarian and over-protective mother.


The examples you quoted are indeed extreme. I don't stand by this extremism. I consider my views as rather moderate, as the "all-free society with legal amendments allowing each specificity to be lived to the maximum" is just the opposite form of extremism. That was the point of my comments in this thread, and I certainly don't want to forbid those gay people from demonstrating or celebrating in public. ;-)

And I will stop here.

Even if being gay is soley psychological (which its not) it harms no one! There are heteros who develop strange fetishes that if advertised would b pretty repulsive but no 1 bothers them about it or tries to say they cannot get married if they take part in that!
Gays don't change either once they r gay most of them stay that way! Let em get married! IF a church doesn't want to marry them they don't have to get married IN THAT CHURCH! Keep religion and government seperate! There is no good argument y gays shouldn't b married if u put religion aside!

Bravo my Nederlandse mate.



HHmm,yes,because straight parents are clamouring to raise gay kids arnt they.....

er,Yes.

Sorry boyo,Leon Degrelle is long dead and you make a very weak rexist.

Poland doesnt need gays or any other clowns damaging the culture or society.
Screw tolerance.

oh WTF they took my post out! There r millions of gay ppl in poland right now having sex jacekin! U better learn to accept it it has been part of polish culture and every other culture in the world for a long time!

March of Tolerance in Krakow

Was there a large consumption of kielbasa before, after or during the march?

"March of Tolerance" What a bogus name. As if healthy society should tolerate the speading of disease. You don't have to be a doctor to know that same sex attractions are unnatural. No society can exist with only homosexuals. Thus it is clear that this is unhealthy, as a purely homosexual society would die out.

The vagina and penis are matched pairs, one meant for the other. The physiology is obvious. It's no wonder that homosexuals spead horrible diseases among themselves, as the rectal lining is damaged during their perverted version of sexual intercourse.

Homosexuality used to be treated as a mental illness, and victims of it were even given treatments to cure it. Modern "medicine" doesn't do so anymore, and then just ignores the problem. This is probably the only disease that people willingly don't get treatment for.

Blah blah blah rhetoric! U don't base ur conclusions on evidence u base it on wat is "moral" under your biased christian state of mind! The reasoning for your beliefs is either the bible or church! I know a few gay doctors! They don't see themselves as being unnatural! Even if being gay is unnatural so is flying in planes or driving in cars! Under your logic those should be illegal because god never gave us wings so we shouldn't fly. Oh god never gave us the internet either its kind of unnatural that u can communicate even though we might b on opposite sides of the world! So right now ur acting unnatural!

Considering how there are millions of examples of homosexuality in animals but there r no examples of animals communicating from opposite sides of the globe being gay is more natural than blogging! Actually gays have kids its called a surrogate mom or a sperm bank! I just demolished ur arguments dude lol



Yes yes we know that this isn't about physiology its about civil rights! Okay so ur not allowed to get married if your going to have anal sex? OKAY EVERY1 WE NEED TO KNOW WAT GETS UR FREAK ON IF U WOULD LIKE TO GET MARRIED!!! There are millions of str8 ppl going home tonight to have anal sex! LOL Not just gays have STDs there are children born with them as well as millions of str8 ppl who get them from their partners!



Yes just like mental illness used to be treated like demonic possession! Just like how around that same time they would put leaches on ur skin in an attempt to remove "the bad blood". U just made urself sound like a moron! Homosexuality isn't a disease it doesn't fit the description for one thats a medical fact! If u are going to provide arguments against gay marriage provide premises to ur conclusions!

He said nothing about morals in the fragment you quoted. His statement is self evident. If you don't believe it try to screw a male friend of yours and see if you have offspring. Make relevant post 9 to 10 months from now.


You're mixing ideas here.
Humanity can survive without flying but it cannot survive without heterosexual relations. That's what's unnatural in homosexuality. It is against the basic principle of life - perpetuation of the species.

Its not necessary for life but there have been homosexuals in every society through heterosexual relations gays are produced! Society itself produces gay u cannot have a society without them. Homosexuality isn't against the basic principal of life! So if u were to have sexual relations without the chance of pregnancy its unnatural and against the basic principle of life? Thats all anal sex is sexual relations without any chance of pregnancy. Is it unnatural for sterile couples to have sex? Its not against the principal u are the one mixing ideas!


He obviously didn't use the world moral but his morals are very well implied here he obviously believes just wat the priest tells him!

Obviously I hit a nerve with you, and now you are chimping out on the forum. I made no mention of "sin" or "moral" and used logic and reasoning to defend my position, not religion.

You obviously can't handle the truth of my words, and I think you should visit a mental hygienist to deal with your illness. At the very least, you must realize that you are ill before you can get treatment.

okay then i'll use ur logic yet again. All things that are unnatural are things that must then be illegal. So therefore you are acting illegally under your own system of logic by even responding to me lol. Okay if ur logical then put a few of your statements into symbolic form indicate wat symbols represent the various implications. If u can do that and I can do a deduction that comes to no conclusion or a to different one ur reasoning is invalid.
ANSWER MY QUESTIONS VANGUARD! Wat reason should gay marriage be illegal besides the hazard to ur health and ur opinion it is unnatural? Should magistrates delve into the bedroom businesss of people who want to marry then?

You just don't get it.

Read my original post.

Use your head.

I won't throw any more pearls to swine like you.

OH i did, but u don't answer my questions in ur original post. =) Ur funny im swine? Call me wat u will but it won't change who or wat i am. I am still going to own u in give or take 10 years=). IF I ever have homophobes in my workplace im going out and recruiting a gay couple to work right next to them!!! THen if the moron says anything im firing him on the spot! The homophobia will end it is going to take time though!

I THINK YOUR GAY AND U JUST CAN'T COME TO TERMS WITH IT!

I doubt it in your case,the vagina is probably far to large for you.....


You have flawed logic.I suppose Catholic priests should also be outlawed and sent for mental health care because they dont(publicaly) reproduce......

So are blow jobs but I bet none of us dont turn them down.

OHHHH zdarius PWNED! Catholic priests should b sent to mental hospitals! Sanity is relative to culture and I am sure most modern day people in the USA would believe a man who doesn't want to have sex b/c of an imaginary friend is insane! Either that or they really do have sex which would mean they are liars!

Yes you can.


Correct. Sex is pleasurable but from biological standpoint it's not about pleasure but about procreation. The purpose of anus is not sex, btw.


My logic isn't flawed at all, yours is. I'm talking about biology, you're talking about human law/ethics.

And yes, celibacy is against the basic drive of life too.

If these gays are so tolerant, they should be tolerant enough to accept that Poland is a Catholic country. Why force someone to accept you. You want to be gay that's fine(even though its a psychological problem), keep it in the bedroom. No need to brag about it, because it just makes me laugh.....

Their was an incident in New Jersey where a straight couple was harrassed by the gay community walking down the street. They where called breeders(meant to be derogatory) and some other few choice words. What is the world coming to if your being made fun of being straight. Just shows how good the gays have it and shows how their pressing their luck...



I agree, how can being gay be genetic, gays can't reproduce (homosexuality has been around for a thousands of years, if it was a genetic defect after such a long time the gene would be diluted because of the lack of homosexual reproduction) .... Haven't you notice how some lesbians hate men.... obviously they had a bad experiance growing up and this is a way of them coping with the situation. Fu*k grow up and be a little tougher, I had bad a experiance with a couple of my girlfriends, and I still love women... You want to help gays be accepted, help them understand they have a problem.....

URL

Link above explains how homosexulality is a envorenmental trait and not a genetic one.

We shouldn't punish homosexuals or anything but at the same time we should'nt be forced to accept it as okey, because it's not...

Guys, come-on.... stop trying to over-analyse it. In the words of Stonewall's current campaign, some people are gay - get over it.

And as for catholicism.... come on... all those buff young priests in the Vatican City. If you don't believe me, check this out: http://www.calendarioromano.co.uk/

Same thing can be said LondonChick that some people don't accept gays, get over that......

why force someone to accept you... it's counter-productive.... honestly do they really need a parade????? If so parade around in the bedroom..... and keep it private.....

Do you see straight people having their parade..... I don't think so, the gays would cry discrimination..... I'm not going to be walking around on egg shells just to make sure homosexuals aren't offended.... (homosexuality is not genetic, it was very clever of them to claim that though) because how can anyone argue with that....

Okay then accept things as they are..... let women get beat let people oppress other people. I guess things never need to change! We should stay in Iraq forever and have george bush as a president forever. POLAND MAY HAVE A CATHOLIC MAJORITY BUT THEY ARE NOT A CATHOLIC COUNTRY! THAT WOULD MEAN THEY ARE A THEOCRACY!


HA that is a rarity but it makes me laugh! Matthias u and I both know this is probably a one in 50million occurance! U can't site an extremely rare occurance and use it as an example of reverse discrimination currently happening! U can but it's a terrible and easily disproveable argument! Ive been the the Castro in SF at least a few times every year since i was young and there are str8 couples there all the time! I have never once seen them be harrassed! I know thats a hasty generalization but I think we are pretty certain gays are more likely to be discriminated against than to discriminate!


That link doesn't prove a thing! There are experts on both sides with studies done by credible ppl. The nature vs nurture debate is still raging and I don't forsee an end for a few decades. Wether or not its "okay" is your opinion. Just as it is the opinion of a muslim that it is not "okay" to not cover your face if your a woman! Just as in the opinion of some people that the war in Iraq is "good". The effects of something only go one way. Wether or not those effects are good is a matter of opinion. If your making 50 billion dollars off the war in iraq u might not think it's a "bad" war u might think it is "okay". If your a psycho soldier who has to maintain his honor and win a war just to win it u might think it is okay too especially if u think honor is priceless!

Hey calm down....

I bet you still got a boner when you clicked on the think that I posted above, eh?

are we killing gays in Poland or something, no we just don't want them parading around town.....



okay, regardless of their religion they don't accept homosexuality, why force it on them???? no one is being hurt....... except the homosexual's feelings? fu*k that.... if it comes to the feelings of the majority of the feelings of a tiny minority I think the answer is pretty clear.... Now if people were advocating attacking gays than that would be a different story but their not....



just showing how good gays have it in the US.... fu*k that... I don't care if its one incident or not, that shi*t is not going to fly in Poland....



Um those studies that have been done linking homosexuality to genetics have been dis-proven or the experiment could not be reproduced... If you took any science course you would know that if an experiment can't be reproduced than it can't be used as evidence.... all factors must be carefully controlled....

btw, I'm not making any money from Iraq, if anything I'm losing money(when you consider the taxes I pay)...... But Im willing to make the necessary sacrifices......... it's the least I can do



are you feeling okey???? I am calm...... stop being a cry baby....

Yes,everyday you see public face sucking in the street......

lmao, I not a fan of PDA (Public displays of affection), its nauseating either way gay or straight... just much more disgusting when you see two guys doing it......

Poland is a Catholic country, they have a right not to have to accept it..... all the gays can move to UK, since its so acceptable there......... Poles aren't attacking gays they just don't want to be forced into accepting it as normal.... because it's not....

yep,

Im not a fan myself,but,were not in nazi germany so,it cant be one rule for some ....
Incidently Mattie,2 foxy chica's,,whats your view? ;)

thats true, Im not here to advocate discrimination against gays..... My parents even have one gay friend(coolest guy ever).... However I personally don't want to see it with my own eyes when their kissing and being affectionate.... It's a fair point you bring up..... it's only fair, but somehow that's not convincing me...



man, I was hoping no one would bring that arguement up....... cr*p..... somehow that doesnt bother me......

best compromise I cant think of, leave the status quo.... let's not discriminate but I rather have the gays keep it in the bedroom....

I respect the wishes and understand the gay community but they need to be just as understanding of the Catholic community....

Oh there is no absolute proof or disproof for either belief dude! If there had been a completely conclusive study that proves without a shred of a doubt it was either nature or nurture or a combination it would b in the spotlight right now LOL.


Well too bad freedom of speech dude! They do have that in pooland right?



I am sure the catholics hurt more gay feelings than gays hurt catholics feelings! =) At least under all rational thought. Gettin your feelings hurt because of wat some1 else does in their bedroom because its a sin is ridiculous! It's not okay to discriminate though and I believe thats pervasive in poland!

actually all the studies that where conducted to prove a link between genetics and homosexualities have been disproven. However the research done linking envormental factors and homosexuality have not been disproven... Their is no conclusive evidence either way but the evidence points to the environment.... Also tell me how being gay can be genetic.... gay people don't reproduce and how can they pass the gay gene..... I probably know what your going to say, but Im going to wait for your post before I respond.



actually you don't know what freedom of speech means..... that's called a verbal assualt(a crime)........ there are certain things that cross the line... Even US law recognizes that..... first learn the laws in the US before you ask me about the laws in Poland....



I don't have a problem as long as its in the bedroom.....