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jdepiver
Edited by: jdepiver  Oct 11, 07, 16:55  #31

Hi there,
I am a Nigerian student studying in the UK and in love with a polish lady(working class).I have planned to marry her here in the UK anyway.Is it possible for a student to marry here in the Uk now that poland is part of EU now.Can i apply for residence permit after we are married here in the Uk.Although i have about 2 years more on my students visa.Can i marry her before my Visa expires that is since i still got like 2 years on my students visa can i marry her even though i still got Visa on my passport.I need advice please..jdepiver@yahoo.com


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Wroclaw
  Oct 11, 07, 17:04  #32

Quoting: jdepiver
(working class).


Not married yet and you've already put her in her place.

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niceguy123 [Guest]
  Oct 17, 07, 10:55  #33

Hello I am an Amercian man living in the Untied States and i want to get married to my girlfriend who lives in Plonad. If we get married in Poland would that be better or should she come here to marry? Thanks

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witek7205
  Oct 18, 07, 21:12  #34

Quoting: duckieaga
My question is whether I have to do anything through Poland as well if I am already a US citizen.


You don't have to if you don't want to.
However you can legalize you marriage in Poland, too.

sorry in Polish only.
http://www.polishconsulateny.org/index.php?p=57



Quoting: duckieaga
My other question pertains to citizenship of any children from our union.



They will have polish citizenship.

http://www.polishconsulateny.org/index.php?p=43


A child of parents of which one is a Polish citizen, while the other is a citizen of another state, acquires Polish citizenship by birth. However the parents may, in a declaration made in conformity before the proper authority within the course of three months from the day of the birth of the child, choose for the child the citizenship of the foreign state of which one of the parents is a citizen, if according to the law of that state the child acquires its citizenship.

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uniserve [Guest]
  Oct 21, 07, 13:02  #35

"Hi, well miss Krysia i appreciate answering my question..
i am not european or american. i fell in love with a polish student in Germany as we were studing together and we are planning to get married, but i am not planning to go to Poland. so will i be eligible for the polish citizenship after 3 years of marriage although not settling in Poland? another question: directly after marriage will i be able to move among european countries (schengen) without visa with or without my wife?
thanks for your time"

Yes, I'd like to know the answer to that question too. I'm a North American citizen who may be interested in marrying a Polish woman. Does marriage after 3 years plus the paperwork automatically qualify me for a Polish passport? If so, can I work in the EU without ever having set foot in Poland? And...which of these countries are Polish Citizens eligible to work & reside in? Which countries are they NOT eligible to work & reside in? Will there be more countries where Polish citizens will be able to work in the EU in the near future? THX.

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witek7205
Edited by: witek7205  Oct 22, 07, 21:06  #36

Quoting: uniserve_quote
will i be eligible for the polish citizenship after 3 years of marriage although not settling in Poland?


No, you will not. First you have to live in Poland for certain number of years to be able to apply for Polish citizenship

Quoting: uniserve_quote
directly after marriage will i be able to move among european countries (schengen) without visa with or without my wife?


No. Marriage does not give you any priviliges. If EU requires you to have a visa, you have to have it.

Quoting: uniserve
Does marriage after 3 years plus the paperwork automatically qualify me for a Polish passport?


No. It is similar to GreenCard process. To get Polish passport you have to be polish citizen. To be polish citizen you have to live in Poland on permanent residency card for xx years.
Quoting: uniserve
If so, can I work in the EU without ever having set foot in Poland?


No, you can't. You are US citizen and you can stay as a tourist for 90 days in UE without a visa. After that you have to apply for a visa or apply for residency card in Poland if you stay in Poland,

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satya
  Oct 25, 07, 06:33  #37

hi everyone, especially Reid

i am indian living in ireland from last 4 years, having a polish girl friend. we have been together 1 year now. polish girls are very nice girls as first i can say. anyway, i just reading about this forum today because i have some couple of querries in my mind always blinking time to time. if i marry my girl friend in future, what i have to do with EU marriage law..like should i have to go poland live there for couple year to get permenant residency/ citizenship/ passport..etc.. or once i marry my girl i will get all of these list of things which i am free in poland. its bit complicated isn't it.

can anyone answer my questions please...

all the best for who is getting married soon..

take care..

dzien dobre, jak sie masz, and also some bad words....hehe

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donsirlisir
  Oct 29, 07, 17:14  #38

Thread attached on merging:
Hi Good people(important)

Please could someone let me know if it is possible for a foreigner to wed a foreigner in Poland.

I hope I get cool response soon

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murilao [Guest]
  Oct 29, 07, 21:56  #39

hi my name is Murilo and i have a question. Im married with a polish woman for 2 years , and i want to apply for polish citizenship, but we live in the united States. Does Polish law permit that i became a citizen?

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witek7205
  Nov 7, 07, 02:29  #40

Quoting: murilao
hi my name is Murilo and i have a question. Im married with a polish woman for 2 years , and i want to apply for polish citizenship, but we live in the united States. Does Polish law permit that i became a citizen?



No, it does not. You have to live in Poland for 5 (?) years as resident to be able to apply for citizenship.
It is very similar to green card and citizenship in the US.

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KasiaG
Edited by: KasiaG  Feb 23, 08, 06:03  #41

Hello everyone. I will try to revive this thread as I need some advice and hope that maybe someone here might be able to help me. I will appreciate every single reply.

I am a Polish girl, who travels frequently to the USA (on av. twice a year). Sometimes on business, sometimes for pleasure. I have a valid tourist visa, speak very good English, and never had any problems with immigration, though I do not take it for granted.
I plan to move to US this year and marry an American. I've been told several times in the past that there's no use playing with the fiance visa. The easiest way is to just come to the States on my tourist visa and get married. I read up and know that I should have my birth certificate with me, divorce statement (no kids) and valid passport/visa.
Now, my questions.

1. Do I need to have the documents translated into English by a court interpretor? (and if so, should I do it in Poland, or would it be better to do in US?)
2. Will I need the documents confirmed by the Polish Embassy? And if so, do you know how it works, would I have to do it in person or does sending by a courier works?
3. Can they deny marrying us for any reasons (provided I have all the above mentioned documents)?
4. I realize applying for green card and residency (later on) requires time, patience, money and knowledge. But I also know a call to USCIS is always helpful. But, if my boyfriend is a US citizen and can prove the ability to support us both, do you know how long (on average) it would take to process my petition for immigrant visa (I-130)? Because I understand the visa number will be available immediately after the petition is processed..
5. And will that allow me to work legally, or will I still have to change for the adjustment of my status to the lawful resident?
(I must agree the laws, regulations etc. are a bit complicated.. :)

Once again, I will appreciate all responses, advice, links, etc.

Kasia

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jones101
Edited by: jones101  Feb 23, 08, 08:48  #42

I know this is not an answer to your detailed questions but a bit of advice...DO NOT tell immigration or any US official you are planning to marry if you do decide to enter on a tourist visa to do this.

While yeah it is easier and many people do it, technically it is not allowed and all it takes is one jerk immigration officer who is in a bad mood to deny you entry (which they can do without giving you any reason).

Just go over like you normally do for a visit or holiday and don't mention a thing about marriage.

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KasiaG
  Feb 23, 08, 08:55  #43

Thank you Jones for the reply. I am aware of limiting my chances if I mentioned the purpose of my coming to US...
I understand immigrants might cause problems in US, though it's rather the fault of the law, not the people. It is just sad how two people in love have to go through a bit of a hell to be together.. just because they happen to come from two different countries..

Still, my questions remain valid and for the sake of my peace of mind, I hope someone can answer them. :),

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jones101
Edited by: jones101  Feb 23, 08, 09:10  #44

Agreed...my fiancee and I are trying to decide where to get married. Here in PL it is stupidly bureaucratic yet her family is here and could not all go to the US with us where it would be MUCH easier to marry.

I refrained from answering your questions because all I have at this point is conjecture. Depending on who you talk to you get different answers.

What I do know is this:

Marriage in the USA is done on the State/County level. Some States/Counties require a marriage license some do not. Sometimes it is as simple as paying a fee for the paper...others it requires a blood test and more paperwork. At worst it seems to take a week to get all the bits in order...at best you can be married in less than a day. To my knowledge you cannot be "denied" marriage unless you are already married and even then how would they know? (not advocating that just saying there is no way a state or county is going to be able to confirm your status in Poland) I don't think you even need to prove your immigration status.

US Immigration is going to be utterly unhelpful and contradictory if you contact them that is why there are loads of firms that help people through the legal hurdles (for a nice fee of course)

The US may be as hard or worse than Poland to get residency/legal in...the difference is in the US you wont have to stand in the cold for hours and pay people bribes to get it done. You can do it from the comfort of a nicee waiting room or the phone :) Isn't progress great ;)

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KasiaG
  Feb 23, 08, 09:23  #45

I must say I have also faced almost as many points of view as people I talked to about it.
However, it was the call to USCIS that finally resolved some issues. Someone over there asked nicely: does your g/f have a valid tourist visa? - yes - Ok, then, why won't she just come over here as a tourist and you two get married and then petition for immigrant visa and adjustment of status? Lawyers are expensive and are helpful when one of the partners has no chance of getting a legal visa.

So we know our way of doing this now. The only thing that worries me really is what's 'after'.. I want to have a normal life, work, be able to travel freely, and have no idea how long it would take for us to have it granted.. plus, I hope they won't make me go back home to wait for their decision. I never saw them mention that on USCIS site..

I wasn't aware that getting married here would be more difficult. This is new for me. :)
But good luck to you. Hard as it is, I'm sure it's always worth it. :)

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jones101
Edited by: jones101  Feb 23, 08, 09:28  #46

OH hell yeah...marriage in Poland takes at least 3-6 months of nonsense.

There are other posts with details but basically Poland requires an embassy letter saying you are free to marry. The US doesn't give these so they DO give you a letter saying they DON"T give such a letter...and rather than just accepting this Poland makes you go to court to acknowledge the letter that says there is no letter.(this can take a couple months) THEN you take the courts 'permission' and register to marry. (this can take another couple months). Once you get permission you then have to make an appointment to be legally married (so forget picking a special day unless you plan a year ahead of time).

It's like most things in Poland...layered in nonsense and fees.

Go to Las Vegas and you can marry in a drive through in 5 minutes with only ID and it IS legal.

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jessie3334 [Guest]
  Oct 14, 08, 23:29  #47

hi :) im a US citizen planning on marrying a Polish citizen. I have been going back and forth to PL for a year now....waiting to do the papers. Does anyone know if its better for him to come here? If so how does he obtain a visa? If not...where do we go to file the docs? thanks for any help..:)

btw... PL natives <u have impressed me, with your humble kindness. thank you>

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Krakowianka
Edited by: Krakowianka  Oct 16, 08, 15:40  #48

KasiaG:

However, it was the call to USCIS that finally resolved some issues. Someone over there asked nicely: does your g/f have a valid tourist visa? - yes - Ok, then, why won't she just come over here as a tourist and you two get married and then petition for immigrant visa and adjustment of status? Lawyers are expensive and are helpful when one of the partners has no chance of getting a legal visa.

So we know our way of doing this now. The only thing that worries me really is what's 'after'.. I want to have a normal life, work, be able to travel freely, and have no idea how long it would take for us to have it granted.. plus, I hope they won't make me go back home to wait for their decision. I never saw them mention that on USCIS site..



Kasia - You must have not talked to USCIS, or talked to a real poorly educated person. They gave you fraudlent advice to say the least. Entering the US on your tourist visa with intent to marry & stay is FRAUD. You'll stay & file AOS (adjustment of status) to get your green card, and that's when all your problems will start. You'll have to show how you didn't intend on staying here, which is impossible. You'll be denied at AOS interview.

You have 2 options, let your boyfriend do the fiance I-129F fiance visa (takes 6-9months) and get you here legally to marry within 90 days of your arrival. Or marry in Poland and enter on a K3 visa.

This process is not expensive with lawyer fees. I did the whole thing for my fiance... now husband with no lawyers at all. I asked que at www.visajourney.com its a free site with people in similar situations.



jessie3334:

hi :) im a US citizen planning on marrying a Polish citizen. I have been going back and forth to PL for a year now....waiting to do the papers. Does anyone know if its better for him to come here? If so how does he obtain a visa?



Same situation as Kasia - file the I-129F fiance visa 6-9 months and you can marry in the US. Good luck!

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  Oct 20, 08, 15:24  #49

Hi,
Quite interesting forum to ask questions.....but my own point of view is that is it possible after having an issue with a polish girl to later settle for marriage at the detriments of their parents?,and what are the pro and coin involved.Thanks for your response.D-man.

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gtd
  Oct 20, 08, 15:35  #50

What?

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