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Masc/Fem, Nom-Instr Exceptions


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ArcticPaul
  May 6, 08, 10:03  #1

Some 'prestigious' job titles keep their masculine grammar when women have them.
Pscycholog/Pscychologiem
Does this rule apply to Architekt/Architektiem also?

With masculine nominatives that end with 'a' (ASRONAUTA, DENTYSTA) what are the instrumental versions?

LISTONOSZ (Postman)- nominative
e.g. Stefan pracuje jako listonosz
Is the instrumental LISTONOSZIEM?
Stefan jest listonosziem

How do I know when to use -IEM or use -EM?

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z_darius
Edited by: z_darius  May 6, 08, 10:05  #2

ArcticPaul:
Pscycholog/Pscychologiem

psycholożka (rare but legit)

ArcticPaul:
Does this rule apply to Architekt/Architektiem also?

architektka

Some 'prestigious' job titles keep their masculine grammar when women have them.
Pscycholog/Pscychologiem
Does this rule apply to Architekt/Architektiem also?


ArcticPaul:
How do I know when to use -IEM or use -EM?


psychologia - psycholgiem
architektura - architektem

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Catz
  May 6, 08, 11:02  #3

ArcticPaul:
With masculine nominatives that end with 'a' (ASRONAUTA, DENTYSTA) what are the instrumental versions?

astronauta - astronautą
dentysta - dentystą
(this rule appeals to most nominatives ending with -a)

I don't know how are the rules, but z_darius's rule with -IEM/-EM doesn't work with all jobs. Unfortunately I can't guess what the real rule is.
examples:
fizyk - fizykiem
strażak - strażakiem
I suspect that the consonant that closes the word is important here.

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z_darius
  May 6, 08, 11:24  #4

Catz:
z_darius's rule with -IEM/-EM doesn't work with all jobs.

agreed
Don;t remember the rules so I'd have to recreate them from memory - a reverse engineering of sorts.

I know that k, g will call for -iem. There is also the issue of consonants softened by final -i.

I betcha Krzysztof will have something up his sleeve.

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