More migrants come to Britain from Eastern Europe

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/6699363.stm

the truth is in the middle, who wants to integrate - will, who likes being in their own circle won't. But lets face it: Poles do not live and do not create ghettos,
after a while we move out to seperate accommodation, how long can you live sharing? who wants just to earn and go - will not integrate as this is not a priority, who wants to live here - will

well said Justyna.. I dont think its true that British people wont let foreigners into their social circles.. its more a case of many immigrants not wanting to integrate.. for whatever reason, be it language, culture etc. etc.. Those who make the effort to meet locals and break away from the ex-pat scene should have no problems.

Migrants' road to UK integration

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6700345.stm

Having read these articles I can't honestly say any of the quoted figures surprise me. From my own personal experience, living in a city with many new arrivals it's difficult to draw many conclusions. I have enjoyed some good nights out in the Polish bar here exchanging views and banter and have not felt any animosity whatsoever but on the whole would say that any degree of integration still appears some way off the mark. In fairness, my wife moved to the UK 6 years ago from Estonia and until recently regularly remarked about not "fitting in" because of her background despite working with predominantly British colleagues, having fluency in English etc, etc.
Whether right or wrong I imagine that integration is not a priority for those here short term wherever they come from and that if any degree of integration is to be achieved anywhere it is a two-way process and people must be made to feel welcome.

re: More migrants come to Britain from Eastern Europe

- I hope all of them will be coming back, and very soon, to their native countries.

I am sick and tired of the whining and enraged complaining about these hardworking decent people's presence in UK.

I am very angry about the insults against and beatings of the Poles in the UK, and the culprits being let go unpunished by the courts.

And the silence on the real immigration problem there: the countless scores of Thirld World bums, masses of them sitting on welfare. (Reportedly, there are ca milion of illegals from there in the UK.)

Practically, all the Polish people working in the UK I've spoken to say they will be coming back.

By the way, shouldn't the title posting appear on an 'East European' forum, rather than on a 'Polish' one?

Is 'Eastern Europe' a synonym of the word 'Poland' for peterweg?

If yes, why?
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I think they will. Why? Because in the eighties when Ireland's economy tanked, people left in droves.

Then the government cooperated with businesses to enact policy changes that encouraged economic development. (I think many countries could take a leaf from that book, even mine). Now with Ireland's economy turn-around, people who left years ago are returning home. It won't be the same as when they left, but now there is a reason to work and live there.

I think Poland is very much poised to do the same. I think the country has to go through a "shake up" to get where it needs to be (you have to tear down an old house to build a new one in the same spot, so to speak). I have some concerns about the government's role in this process, because the current leaders are conservative, and a lot of change needs to happen in order to make room for a new nation. It is happening, but I think it needs some speed to keep people happy.

So don't worry, they will come back home.

point of information, Ireland's economy was tanked for centuries and people left Ireland in drives over the centuries as it was. it was not until the late 1980's that emigration decreased and immigration started.

As to people moving for work. I personally hope they live where they want to.

All very strange. I remember in the 1980's the Polish I met had no time for England or the English and now...I suppose it is something in human nature what you can not have you want even more. All the influx of Eastern European people to the U.K. is bad as well as good. Working class jobs are now in short supply as these jobs do not require a good education or a good ability with the English Language and an influx of workers helps to keep wage rates low so expanded EU membership benefits the rich capatalists.

Thanks for the correction Daffy. I was attempting to say that the turn-around came then. :)

sorry my bad then :) Migrant workers throughout history have been nothing but BENEFICIAL for strong econonies from roman times to every major industrialised nation since.

The key is to have good unions, good lobbiest, laws protecting the workforce (not just uk or US or Polish but WORKERS)

Yes, but the whole point of flodding an economy like ours in the U.K. is that you do not need unions because you can hire and fire people very quickly. If someone is doing an unskilled job then they can be trained up very quickly. I have heard it is even true of the TESOL world in Poland now. If your lessons are boring the students complain and the teacher is changed-end of story, the students are paying money for lessons and they are king.

Michal, it is not just an opinion of mine. It is backed by the economic history and supported by migration figures throughout history.

The UK will be like any other country that experiences/d economic prosperity.

The trouble is that the Poles never think long term, employers will take on these people on an hourly basis without the need for pensions and sick pay and we end up with a back-street cheap labour force. The Poles will jump at the chance to 'make a quick buck'. I have just come back from France yet I have not noticed many Polish there working but maybe I was in the wrong area.

That could be because France did not open its border to the A10 to work like the UK & IRE

What I like is that Poles can work in the UK and claim child support for children left behind in Poland. A PLN 5000 present annually.

Soon, there will be large numbers of Poles who are unemployed and drawing benefit in the UK while working in the black economy and claiming child benefit. That would be perfect for the restaurant trade and construction industry too.

Ahhh the construction industry yes !!!

I dont care where people prefer to stay as long as it all legally , its not the Poles fault that they became EU , so if the have a better life in UK then so it must be.Why are we hating all the hard working EU citizens , we should rather worry about all the illegal immigrants in UK and in Europe thats just wrong some places in UK and Europe look like " Little India or Little Africa" with all the illegal people !

I see many more Slavs assimilated in time which is in front of us.

It would be much batter that Slavs unite and crete batter conditions for living in their world, according to their heritage- in balance with nature.

What is even worse, in many of these cases the people in question are not even Polish but are travelling on false passports and are simply pretending to be Polish.

I live in a rural area, we have a lot of polish people working on the land. When I do my shopping at the local supermarket there are lots of Poles spending their money. This indicates that they are contributing to the economy, the supermarkets make money , pay for their staff, purchase goods from suppliers, keeping english people in work!!

Maybe some poles are taking benefits, but in rural areas they provide necessary labour, live on site; therefore not taking up housing. The purchasing power of the Polish should not be ignored. It seems that these rural workers put in more than they take out. As to whether they settle in the area or are just seasonal workers, I do not know. Maybe I will ask next time I bump into a Polish person.

"I had become foreigner in the place I had always called home"....what is home?a place where U have born or place where Ur heart is?...In fact home for all of us is that small blue planet which we don't respect at all:)...

Actually, you are incorrect. Recent studies show that these workers contribute almost nothing to the British economy for a long and complicated set of reasons.

can you give the back up to this?

npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10767136

This is a link to NPR radio article called "Debunking Global Migration Myths".

It basically says that there aren't that many more people moving (still small percent vs. overall population) but it seems like more because there are more people on the planet.
I was surprized at that...

Such as... ? maybe you are talking inner city. what is so bad about people working in foreign countries? You simply cannot ignore the financial contribution some Polish make, surely you are stereotyping?

No, not really. They come here with their children and they need educating for free. Then they are ill. They go to the doctor and get medicines for free. It costs us more to employ them than they contribute.

I find it ironic that many countries like Britain, Scotland and others in and around the UK have many of the same problems with Poles and other Eastern European immigrants that we do here in the U.S. with Latinos. Believe me, thank yourselves each day you don't have that problem. At least E. Europeans are still Western in philosophy.

Polish immigrants swell Scotland's new baby boom
news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=935812007

I live in the US and have no problems with mexicans. They take the less desireable jobs and help our farmers out immensly. I do however have a problem with the Europeans coming here and taking over MY peoples land :P


no really, I'm over it :)

What do they contribute to society? Overcrowding busses, taking jobs away from citizens, creating a housing shortage, draining the benefit system, calling their families from Poland and increasing the polulation, leaving work after 12 months and claiming benefit and having a child so you can get priority housing? yep if you call that contribution to society then you will see blue flying pigs!!