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Kilkline
  Nov 15, 07, 04:22  #361

Quoting: kochanie
Haven't you ever read a book similar to Pride and Prejudice, about the lives of women at the time?


The novels of Jane Austin dont really provide a representative view of the situation of women in Britain at that time. Just as most women in Britain were not flouncing around in bonnets and fainting at the sight of uncovered table legs.

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Frank
  Nov 15, 07, 05:06  #362

The slight problem with the title of the thread is that those who behave in a xenophobic fashion, firstly, don't know the meaning of word, never mind spell it and secondly.........they react in a fashion expected from society......ie as xenophobes....!

The red top media stokes this by sensationalist reporting...its always been the British way....let the masses think they are under threat....it distracts them from a-s-s-h-ol-e political decisons made by their masters to squander their taxes in idiot overseas invasions!!!!!!!!!!!!

As ever over blown, over talked about........


PS UK now has an effective tax rate of 53 %.....bring back communism!

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ShelleyS
  Nov 15, 07, 05:12  #363

Quoting: kochanie
Remember the Victorian age - that happened slighty after the Industrial Revolution. Haven't you ever read a book similar to Pride and Prejudice, about the lives of women at the time? Which incidentally was also written after the Industrial Revolution


Now that was funny :) You know very little about women in history if you think they all sat about discussing men whilst sitting in their refinery :)....

Still waiting for that evidence.... I can send you pictures of women working in the mills in the early 1900s to provide evidence that women have been working and contributing for a very long time...or maybe pictures of women in typing pools from the early 1900s...

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_Sofi_ [Guest]
  Nov 15, 07, 05:28  #364

Quoting: ShelleyS
early 1900s

Wasn't Pride and Prejudice published 1813?

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ShelleyS
Edited by: ShelleyS  Nov 15, 07, 05:33  #365

Quoting: _Sofi_
Wasn't Pride and Prejudice published 1813?


I have no idea, I wasnt the one who was quoting it...read the rest of the posts

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_Sofi_ [Guest]
Edited by: _Sofi_  Nov 15, 07, 05:35  #366

Quoting: ShelleyS
I have no idea, I wasnt the one who was quoting it...read the rest of the posts

I did, I'm not offering an opinion, just a fact [partly to point out that two different time periods seem to be under discussion as though it were one]. My intrusion is over.

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ShelleyS
  Nov 15, 07, 05:43  #367

Quoting: _Sofi_
I did, I'm not offering an opinion, just a fact [partly to point out that two different time periods seem to be under discussion as though it were one]. My intrusion is over.


Im still discussing the 1950s someone else brought Jayne Ayre or whoever in to it!...

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_Sofi_ [Guest]
Edited by: _Sofi_  Nov 15, 07, 05:46  #368

Quoting: ShelleyS
Im still discussing the 1950s someone else brought Jayne Ayre or whoever in to it!...

Jane Austen. I know. I'll even point out women did work even back then anyway...all dependent on their social status etc.


Although it was you who brought into the discussion the industrial revolution. Which
Quoting: wikipedia
occurred roughly between 1760 and 1830
and not, as you say
Quoting: ShelleyS
happended slightly before the '50s
It seems to be where the confusion of time periods began in the discussion.

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Daisy
  Nov 15, 07, 06:58  #369

was any of this before or after the xenophobic period

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postie
  Nov 15, 07, 07:05  #370

Quoting: Daisy
was any of this before or after the xenophobic period


Was that when the dinosaurs died out??? ;)

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_Sofi_ [Guest]
  Nov 15, 07, 07:11  #371

Quoting: Daisy
was any of this before or after the xenophobic period

lol hasn't that period been happening for centuries...?

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ShelleyS
  Nov 15, 07, 07:17  #372

Quoting: _Sofi_
Sofi_


MY POINT WAS THAT WOMEN HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR A LONG TIME...

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ShelleyS
  Nov 15, 07, 07:18  #373

and im quite aware of when the industrial revolution was - I studied it for 3 years and have 'O' Level Grade A and an 'A' Level A in history..

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_Sofi_ [Guest]
  Nov 15, 07, 07:40  #374

Quoting: ShelleyS
ShelleyS

That's nice...there's no need to take offense. Didn't I say that yes, women had been working back then too? Perhaps your definintion of 'slightly' allows for a century of time to pass. Either way, caps weren't required.

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isthatu
  Nov 15, 07, 09:05  #375

ROFL, Pride and Prejudice as social history of British woman LMFAO....
BTW,Eastern Europe was never part of the Commenwealth....D'OH.....
As to those who think most Poles were kicked out of the UK to Canada after the war...Ha Ha thats equely clueless,I take it you've never been to the North of Britain/England? If you had you wouldnt make such daft sweeping statements....Here in Doncaster we had the entire medical detachment of the 1st Para Brigade as GPs ,as well as a good 1/4 of the miners with 'ski as last names,all in the 50's and a long time before the current "wave" of Poles....
Oh,and can someone explain just how we managed to beg for workers from BEHIND the Iron curtain? Im sure that would have been easy to acheive,not....

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_Sofi_ [Guest]
  Nov 15, 07, 10:17  #376

Quoting: ShelleyS
Do you even know what this started with?

Yes I do. As I said already - I wasn't commenting on that.
Quoting: ShelleyS
You didnt seem to be listening to me

Yes I was. I can't see where I wasn't. This is pointless - we're arguing over nothing. Ironically, that was what I was trying to prevent between you and Kochanie by saying about the difference in time period being discussed.
Quoting: ShelleyS
read my posts instead of jumping in.

I think I'll do the opposite..not read or comment on them - for you have taken me completely wrongly each time.

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ShelleyS
  Nov 15, 07, 10:19  #377


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kochanie
  Nov 15, 07, 10:21  #378

I think I'll leave this, clearly all that matters to some people here is being right. It's just not worth getting worked up about.

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ShelleyS
  Nov 15, 07, 10:30  #379

Quoting: kochanie
I think I'll leave this, clearly all that matters to some people here is being right


as aposed to being wrong?, I can provide evidence for my part of the argument, so far you haven't been able to provide evidence that England begged people from outside of the commonwealth to come and work her because women didnt work :)

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celinski
  Nov 15, 07, 10:57  #380

Personally I think it is a survival thing. Being the 1st gen. of my family born in the USA I was bullied something bad in school. Reminded of my place in pecking order, "Ski" put you at the end. It was hell for a child that didn't understand it was not me with the problem, it was them. As I got into the higher grades all that changed but it taught me a very important lesson. I became a more caring person that always thinks of others feelings. Now the USA has an anti bulling law in place. Sadly, many school children died when children pushed over the edge snapped.

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_Sofi_ [Guest]
  Nov 15, 07, 11:00  #381

Celinski, how awful children can be to each other at times! I'm glad you could take something positive away from it :
Quoting: celinski
I became a more caring person that always thinks of others feelings.
. I haven't seen you around - welcome to the forum.

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celinski
  Nov 15, 07, 11:07  #382

why thank you, I found the group yesterday

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kochanie
  Nov 15, 07, 11:13  #383

I agree with Sofi, children can be so cruel and when you're only a child who doesn't understand why they are bullied...I can't even imagine what that's like.
Quoting: celinski
I became a more caring person that always thinks of others feelings.

I'm glad that this was the effect on you and you didn't turn to hatred of the Americans :)
Quoting: celinski
Sadly, many school children died when children pushed over the edge snapped.

I hear more and more cases of this, it's so needless I can't bring myself to understand why it goes on

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kochanie
  Nov 15, 07, 11:16  #384

Quoting: Frank
The slight problem with the title of the thread is that those who behave in a xenophobic fashion, firstly, don't know the meaning of word, never mind spell it

Yes but not all xenophobes are these stereotypical Vicky Pollards living in places like Toxteth or Mosside, there are a lot of upper class racists and xenophobes around too

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szarlotka
  Nov 15, 07, 11:19  #385

Quoting: kochanie
Toxteth


Someone else having a pop at my birthplace.... that's xenophobic LOL

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celinski
  Nov 15, 07, 11:21  #386

People are people and so many fight to say they are the best. I feel it's the ones with the lowest self esteem that can do the most damage. It helps to pity them vs. holding onto pain or hate. They must be pretty down inside on their own feeling to be able to hurt another.

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kochanie
  Nov 15, 07, 11:28  #387

Quoting: szarlotka
Someone else having a pop at my birthplace.... that's xenophobic LOL

Sorrrryyy I don't mean to have a go at everyone from there! I know that you're not xenophobic obviously, you've always seemed pretty cool!

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szarlotka
  Nov 15, 07, 11:30  #388

Quoting: kochanie
Sorrrryyy I don't mean to have a go at everyone from there!


Only messing kochanie (scouse humour). I'm allowed to say that there are some right idiots from there though. Anyway when I was born it was a poor but respectable neighbourhood and it's gone downhill a bit since then. Sign of some recovery these days though.

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kochanie
  Nov 15, 07, 11:35  #389

Quoting: szarlotka
Only messing kochanie

good! you had me worried I'd offended you then!
Quoting: szarlotka
(scouse humour).

lol, I'm slowly getting used to this, my friend is a nedder but I'm not that confident with the whole scouse words and humour even though I'm from Chester..only about 35 minutes away hehe! It's a whole other world it would seem.

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szarlotka
  Nov 15, 07, 11:38  #390

Quoting: kochanie
good! you had me worried I'd offended you then!


Nah. I never get offended by an internet post anyway. Only when someone I know who knows me gets upset with me will I ever get upset or offended.

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