How much do you HATE POLISH PEOPLE and POLAND

doesn't make much sense does it? I guess someone is lying coz we can't have both

Can you cite any sources for this?


Or ill-informed.

So is your problem with Poles who take the initiative to come here and work,
or with Britain for giving rise to a state of affairs you are not happy with.
Could the media have any involvement with people's opinions.
I pay very little attention to newspapers, especially the D***y M**l,
neither do I watch TV. I live life, experience the world through my own eyes, and I talk to people.
Your opinions don't seem to be the dominant ones in the UK that I see.

My problem is with the government for letting so many immigrants into the country when there not enough work for Brits, let alone half of Poland. And my problem is also with so many Poles coming over here to work, I mean why Pols? Why now? What's so wrong with Poland that half the population have come over here?

the only source I have is that almost all the work places in my area are either sacking Brits to set on Pols or have positions only available to Pols. Just seems a bit unfair to me that Brits are not allowed to work in their own country!

Ill-informed? What I am saying is that we can't have a man power shortage and also have an extremely high unemployment rate. Statistics show that unemployment is very high at this moment in time so I am thinking maybe there not a man power shortage

Evidently we can. There are shortages in many trades for example. Maybe you feel like picking up a trade?
We are short of nurses.


Many of the job available at the moment are unskilled positions such as kitchen porters, factory workers, chambermaids etc. British people are not going for these positions but a lot of them are being filled by immigrants. We can't complain of a shortage of jobs or Poles "stealing" them if we're not willing to take them ourselves.

have you looked at how many jobs there are available on monster/at the jobcentre...etc?

Were you around in the recession?

I refer of course to the economic recession in the 1980s.
The UK now has fairly low unemployment, interest rates and inflation.
The problems are more to do with wealth inequality - the gap between rich and poor.
The other problem is the high level of borrowing, but this does in fact keep the economy moving.

As an English guy living in Poland i have to say i love Polish people , thats why i live here....As for Poles taking English jobs , why not , this is the European union , Poles can take UK jobs , i can buy a farm in Poland.....All i can say to all the Poles heading for the UK is...work hard..save your money , then come back to Polska and spend your money here , buy a house , make a business , Poland has a great future...Sadly i think one day Poland will be just like England , so many Poles seem to think that Poland is so terrible and should be more like the UK....Be patient , one day it will be just the same , thankfully i will be dead by then....Be proud of your country...I am... Jan wildrover@op.pl

Thank you. I am proud of it too.

But what others see it different dimensions.

The people who are "well" in Poland - money wise - will not be complaining because it is a BEAUTIFUL and AMAZING and WONDERFUL place to be and then these people will never never leave it.

But the People who are "unwell" in Poland - money wise - will complain. Because, depending obviously on circumstances, but jobs are not so easy to get, and some things can seem overly expensive for these types of families.

Then the poorer families go to places like U.K, USA, Australia, Canada, etc - whatever, they tend to find they word less for more $$$. And so are thrilled by this, the country can even be a less beautiful and less amazing place, but they are feeling moer stable in their income therefore wish Poland to be like U.K, etc.

On other hand some of the richer families are of Polonia families moving back to Poland after some time/long time. Lots of these people were not born in Poland. So the knowledge they learn from other country, plus their traditional knowledge combined come as an advantage over some things (Sometimes it is a curse, as some people think they're so much better than everyone else if they are "not Polish" like the Polish - which is bit sad and silly).

The families from Polonia is Poland settle in Poland. And often open up new style businesses that Poland is being constantly introduced to new things - therefore once again able to make more money. (But this concept of "new style" also is possible for the ones who go overseas from Poland and return after even 2-5 years).


I think this is summary of why some Polish people complain about Poland and why others couldn't find a better place in the world.


** They work less** - for more $$

Are these just manual labor jobs? Do you have a masters degree? If not, maybe school will give you the qualifications for a higher paid job?

I agree, we can't complain if we aren't willing to do the jobs ourselves, but many of us including me are willing to do the s**t jobs but we can't seem to get on.

Haven't looked on Monster but like I said earlier, Job centre in my opinion is a waste of time, no help at all, advertise jobs that were filled weeks or even months ago

No wasn't around in recession, but I know for a fact that unemployment for Brits is very high at the moment

Yes they are the manual labor jobs, don't have any qualifications at the moment, doing a webmasters degree though so hopefully things will change for me soon.

Think what Poles don't seem to realize is that by coming over here in their thousands, they are making Britain the same for Brits as Poland is for struggling Poles IE we can't get jobs. By that I mean mainly unqualified Brits who have to do the s**t manual labor jobs

It has to be remembered that if you have left for another country, you are much more mobile than many of the native population. Moving from one town to another to find work is a lot easier if you do not have a family to move with you, or just strong connections to the local area.

Everyone has to be more flexible than before.

Phillybob1982, you do not have any sensible arguments really. Unemployment is at pretty much its lowest for decades - if you don't remember the 1970s or 80s, do a little reading. If you can't find the job you want, you have to find the job you don't want. Or you have to be inspired to make something for yourself - do some training, find something no-one else is doing.

Moaning about other people gets you nowhere. You have to be positive with yourself to get on in life, not negative about others, especially when you categorise them in one big group and dismiss them with one xenophobic wave of the hand.

Correct. I have made a career in the job I didn't want. Took it on to make some money and was paid a very low pay (like £3 an hour - this was a few years ago) and now I have worked my way up the ranks to where I am now plus been to college etc and now they're telling me they want to me continue with a Uni degree to 'up' my qualifications. So yes, sometimes it makes sense to go for the one you don't want.

And BTW, I didn't leave school with many qualifications.



Not the only site. Use Google (or whichever search engine you have) and you'll get a list.

I had an awful job working in a shop where I was supposed to be Assistant Manager. I was working 13-16 hour days, never seeing daylight. Because I wanted to get out, I took a temporary job for four months potting shrubs. 10 years later, I'm still there. Before that I didn't care for plants and didn't even like getting my hands dirty!

You don't start life with the things you like and the things you don't - you learn them or adopt them as you go along.

The fact is that the most vulnerable strata of society will feel the
negative effects of immigration more than the others. To the working classes
immigration makes their already difficult lives, worse. There is no upside to
immigration as competition is increased wages come down along with job security.
Why should they be happy about this? Saying 'go to school get a degree' is a lazy
and dismissive response. Especially when it comes from people whose economic
relationship with with East Europeans is deciding who to get to fit their kitchen.

That's exactly my point, I can't get the job I want or even the job I don't want. I notice you didn't comment on my point about you making it as hard for Brits to get jobs than poles in Poland. Maybe you don't think I have any sensible arguments because don't like to here the truth. I don't know where you get your figures from for the unemployment part but I think you been wrongly informed about that. Like I said, unemployment for Polsih in UK prob non existant. But for Brits, it a different story. Seems to me that this country is racist against its own ppl.

by the way, didn't mean to say you, I meant immigrants.

He has good points. Its all very well for comfy middle class types with jobs to be complacent but if your in a situation where the only jobs available are the "low skilled" jobs and you do get off your" lazy butt" to look for these,say your local high street,in the windows of the agencies are signs,just like they used to be a few years ago for jobs,only now those signs are written in Polish,this is the North midlands,a small city,not slough or London. If all the agencies in Poland suddenly started advertising in Korean I can imagine the reaction.

But now when you enquire about the jobs that are advertised "a few in English, not many though lol" the reply is usually "no work at the minute mate" and yet, they still continue to advertise.

Count me as an example.


There's far more to training than a degree. A degree is not a very good example of training.
There are short-term courses in just about anything.
Local colleges do loads of stuff, including evening classes.

This is very true. Not just evening classes but also open learning. A great deal more colleges are taking this on.



Then this would be a case of false advertising. They really aren't allowed to do that. Neither are they allowed to say "Polish People only" so I guess that's how they get around that.



Me too.

I agree that this is false advertising but it really does happen

It is true that colleges do courses in just about anything but some of the courses are agist because when I applied to take a motor mechanics course, they said at 25 i was too old.

I know that but it's called "false advertising".



Not sure which college this was but that's not correct. There are only a handful of courses available that can be refused on the basis of age being too old. Motor mechanic and other courses in trades generally take people on up to a certain age and 25 isn't it.

I didn't think it was right but don't think there a lot I can do about it

If you are going to be continually negative about things I don't think there is anything anyone can do for you. Sorry.

Only you can help yourself. Others will never do it for you...

The idle hand points the finger of blame.

wasn't being negative, was just commenting on an education issue

You're negative about everything anyone is suggesting. It might be true that Polish people are taking on low paid jobs but it's not true that they are preventing you from going to college, learning or getting some kind of job.