What name should we use for 1939-45 deportation of Polish to Siberia?

I will write you a secret.Germany violated every treaty that Hitler had signed before.Even Hitler laughed at Ribbentropp when it was reminded to him that none of the treaties he had signed was valid.
Hitler had same agreements with Czechoslovakia,Yugoslavia,Soviet Union,England.He only made them to refrain foreign states from building strong armies against him.He managed to fool a lot of people.

Any new names, "Our Forgotten Polish, 1939-45" Remember the deported ones.

What name should we use for 1939-45 deportation of Polish to Siberia?

Carol

the time of scuffed shoes?

good greif,are you for real carol, you come on here,90 % of your posts mention Katyn and you have no concept of when it took place, OMG.... Do you think the NKVD sneaked over the borders and captured 30 odd thousand blokes BEFORE the war? crikey,you may be a lost cause,may I suggest you actually reasearch a subject before you spend such a large percentage of your online life promoting it.

There are alot of hours put into pin pointing a date
of the massacre.

SOVIETS MURDER THE TRUTH IN
MEMORIAL TO KATYN MASSACRE (1/7/1988)
By Zdzislaw M. Rurarz


http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/places/germany/nuremberg/katyn-02.html

Rurarz is former Polish ambassador to Japan. His
report gives alot of insight as to the dates.

The next link is who said what in court. Here you can
see were the dates go from 1940 to 1943.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/places/germany/nuremberg/katyn-02.html

Stalin's order for the KATYN FOREST MASSACRE
Top Secret
5 March 1940

http://www.katyn.org.au/beria.html



Yes I am, What date do you have? Carol

Did not capture, they thought they were on the same team. This did not just happen in the "Katyn" forest. Carol

The person who made Katyn incident known worldwide was Goebels.Germans discovered all these bodies.The propaganda of Goebbels was very annoying to Stalin.Soviet Union released a declare that the massacre was made by the Germans.
USA had to agree with this statement.Stalin threatened that if allies do not agree on Katyn being done by Germans,he would stop the offensive in eastern front.So the US official position was that Katyn was a murder done by german Einsatzagruppen.

If Soviets stopped the offensive,americans would suffer hundreds of thousands of losses.So the dilemma for US was between 15000 already dead to recognize as victims of nazis or another 300000 future dead americans.
How often do you hear about a jewish massacre in WW2 and how often about a polish massacre?

Carol,you do know the Soviets invaded Poland on the 17th of september 1939 dont you? Yes,so with the massacre in katyn taking place during the soviet occupation of eastern Poland,and just prior to the german occupation of said land during Barbarossa how can you be in any doubt as to the fact these events took place during the war as opposed to before the war as you are implying???You are just note making any logical sense Im afraid.

I also have dates that my grandfather was taken by the Soviets to be shot with his comrades from WW1. He escaped from his little shed. Don't tell me it didn't start before Sept. 17th, 1939. When we have documintation with Stalin saying to do a total clean up, ok this I will give you.
Carol

eh? so what dates then Carol? Are you saying the pre war Polish Govt just let the NKVD in to aarrest WW1 veterns? geez......the arrests,the deportations all,quite bleeeeedin obviously took place AFTER the invasion NOT before it.........they didnt have "extraordinary rendition " back in them days pet,thats a rather more recent invention.......

History is a funny thing, truth comes out in the end. Kresy area knew what was coming before the 17th of Sept. Maybe they should have put in a call to Warsaw.

Carol

Why did it take the Germans to find them if someone was going to come running to eastern Poland?

Carol

Carol,Im afraid like many others on here Im becoming increasingly baffled by your posts, you clearly have some agenda that is clouding reason from your mind and I feel unable to continue trying to help educate you a little in a subject you obviously find emotive but just as obviously have little understanding of at this time.
all the best with your search for whatever it is you are looking for.

In my opinion what happened in Katyn was the usual soviet tactique.Some people(maybe communist Poles?) took orders from commiseurs to execute the polish army officers.Then the people who did the executions were murdered by other red army soldiers who had no idea who were these people.As a result there were left almost no witnesses to tell what exactly happened in Katyn.
KGB archives have never been given to public.Also red army archives.(British intelligence Service gives the archives to publicity after 50 years).

Do you refer to yourself and Southern... phew I thought you ment someone that does more than look at pictures.

Carol

Carol,let me draw you a picture, You know very little about any of the subjects you have butted into with your infernall references to Kressy.You lecture the forum and wider world as though you were the first person to discover that uncle joes blue hatted boyos wernt the peoples saviours.People try to point you in the right direction,or point out that you have yet to demonstrate any depth of knowladge in your chosen pet subject then you throw childish little insults around. Go play with your rattle on a sceptic only forum,maybe there people might understand your frankly odd use of the english language.As to your constant lectures to the rest of us YES WE KNOW THE NKVD ARRESTED LOTS AND LOTS OF INNOCENT POLES AND THEN SHOT A LOT OF THEM, you dont need to tell us in five or six inane posts on every second thread in this entire forum........

A Silent Winter

Plight of Our Forefathers

The Black Years

Remembrance

A Dark Past

A Peoples' Sorrows

frozen slavery

If they are so "inane" why do you come to them. isthtu you just like to see yourself *****.


Thank you for your vast insight into this universe and for being so kind as to enlighten me down the right path, where would I be had I not been blessed with your ever learning views.

Thank you for all you have taught me, Carol

Here is a first hand story of, "My Journey to become a Polish Paratrooper" by A. Szmid

It gives insight into who the people who were deported and why?

" It was Stalin's revenge for defeating the Bolszevik's in the 1920 war, and we were now to pay a heavy price, by being forcibly deported against our will to God knows where.
We were herded and loaded like animals into cattle trucks, and the doors were locked and bolted from the outside. We spent a long time on this train without being allowed out or fed. Sanitation consisted of a hole in a corner, with no privacy. The only time the doors were opened were to allow the bodies of those that had died to be thrown out onto the frozen ground, we couldn't even bury them."

Carol


http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/32/a4445732.shtml

when have you ever payed attention to anyone on here? You were given the answer to your question on the first page of this thread when a few actual real Polish people who live in Poland came on and told you the thing you wanted a name for already had one. Im afraid you really are a lost cause carol,sarcastic,ill educated and rambling nonsensically in any posts that arnt directly cut and pasted from other sources.


I really doubt it would be possible for anyone to teach you anything carol,you obviously have all the answers already. If I wanted to be petty I could probably pick about a dozen of your posts that have made absoloutly no grammatical or logical sense atall,then maybe I am being unfare as you maybe falling off a 12 step programe,either that or they are alowing internet accsess in secure hospitals these days.......

Wise one you put alot of thought into this name. LOL

or how about;


maybe;


as I said carol,as you can clearly see,suggestions on page one from real native poles,myself,being scots/irish would hardly count as a native Pole living in Poland would I? Im about as Polish as you are,though I am begining to doubt you are in fact an American because even though as a rule septics destroy the english language,not normally to the level you do.

as you will no doubt see,this was in response for your requests for a name to cover not only deportations east but all other horrors Poland and Poles were caught up in during the war,so,yes maam, WW2 was an apt name,and one already known around the world.Sorry,dont try to outsmart me hun' you'll be better trying to catch the devil by his tail.

What name should we use for 1939-45 deportation of Polish to Siberia?

I don't feel I could google "WW2" and research our group with such a well thought out name.

are all great, as is,

Carol, USA

Yes. But this is something else and it seems that you do not understand where Carol is coming from, the majority of us do. And we totally agree with her. If you do not like the thread then do not post in it but please do not tell other posters what to do ! We all know you are not Polish or from Polish descent.



Who cares what you think, quite frankly. Carols posts are very informative and I for one appreciate them very much and I feel sure the majority of people like myself do also. Please lay off the personal remarks directed against her. Thank you.

True.

Excellent! I'll second that.

The problem with Carol is that she ignores the answers to her posts and continues posting.This is not considered to be dialogue.You have to answer.Otherwise make a blog and write everything there.If you participate in a forum,you have to answer.It is your problem how to answer since you have expressed an opinion.