Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

FYI



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7375736.stm

Thanks for psting...

They may watch as long as they want....but we will do what we think is appropriate for russian interests

how about keeping your nose out of other nations?

Well, could I ask you, Abhasians and Gergians, are they a one nation or different?

that is upto them to decide w/o interference from 3rd parties.

Based on language, they are quite distinct. The mish-mash of different languages in the area is very complicated, but Abkhaz is unrelated to Georgian. The Abkhaz territory ended up being in Georgia rather than Russia, possibly by mere accident of history. It seems that those who declared a breakaway republic or whatever it is,, forged links with Moscow rather than remain with Tbilisi.

Remember, this place is not all that far from Chechnya. Also it is worthy of note that many of these ethnically-defined areas in and around Russia are quite heterogenous in population, and are often not well-defined by where members of these different groups actually live. How much of this is Russian people in Abkhazia and how much is Abkhazians is something I don't know.

there has been quite a bit of ethnic clensing going on over there too so the numbers aren't what they used to be.

REMEMBER KOSOVO!!!

Why US can but we can't?

Russians were in Kosovo too. Nearly caused WW3 by taking control of the airport at Pristina.

We remember.

The one who stronger is right. It's a copybook truth. Most of people on this forum realize that... with touch of bitterness I believe. It's just not our time. We should be concentrated now on internal issues rather than on external and be more polite with the countries of NATO-block and especially with countries of ex-Warsaw treaty as with our potential friends in the future. There's no need to shake our anaemic fist at someone unless we have real power. If we get a growth other countries (including Poland) will strive after us without saying. Also I wouldn't lumb political and social attitudes towards Russia and Russians together, even though politics have much impact on the society. I don't really care whether my friend Russia or Pole since we get along easily. First thing I cast my glance at isn't a nationality but human's personal traits. As for politics... have you seen any fair ones on the political acme regardless if he(she) was from Poland, Russia or whatever?..

well said

That is a very good point. I wish more people understood that there is a difference between a people and their government. Very seldom does a population have control and influence over their leaders. And even if a majority of a population were to choose a leader, that leader can still go "running amok" of the peoples wishes.

Update from Russia

May 1, 2008, 1:03
Moscow dismisses talk of war with Georgia
Russia says the number of additional peacekeepers to be sent to Georgia's breakaway republic of Abkhazia complies with international agreements. Meanwhile, Moscow’s envoy to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, has given assurances that Russia will do everything to avoid a military confrontation.


http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/24200

NATO is just the policeman for the Western bankers...what the bankers want is control of Russian oil and natural resources...always have...Abkhazia is just an excuse to stir up the pot...the Russians know this...NATO could care less about human rights and other 'red herring' issues...Russia will tell NATO to stick it up their ass.

Surely the expression is "couldn't care less".

NATO is serious threat to world peace, to liberty of nations and to individual rights

Russia is serious threat to world peace, to liberty of nations and to individual rights

Russia has its sins from past but, today- we very well knows that Russian threat is rediculous in comparison with NATO terrorism and crimes

NATO using depleated uranium on civilians, NATO bombard civilians, NATO colaborate with worse mujaheedines and fights in alliance with them, NATO supporting ethnicaly cleansing of populations which resist to NATO expansion, NATO supporting terrorism (classical example of `modern` piracy), NATO supports totalitar regimes when it suits to some financial groups who uses NATO as tool, NATO disrespect International low and treties, etc, etc

Exactly, Crow has made good points here. Russia has to make some noises and gestures to retain credibility and its standing as a major international power. NATO has much more destructive potential.

Borrka:

Russia is serious threat to world peace, to liberty of nations and to individual rights

Explain yourself.

Russia has immense power but won't wield it in destructive ways. It is NOT a serious threat to anyone at present

point is that NATO uses its destructive potentials for criminal purposes all around the globe. NATO is PROBLEM


yes, this is well said

Tell me one government or political institution which hasn't flirted with criminal activities at one point or another. It's the nature of the beast. Unfortunately, unlike the system of checks and balances present in constitutions, there is no international criminal court to curb the power of the executive.

they made their choice. usa didn't force them to do anything nor is kosovo an american territory.
ding, ding, you are the first russ to get it.


i see this exactly opposite as i think a government is an exact representation of its
people.

sieg heil


exactly



depends what kind of muck the executive stirs up. there are a few pending action at the hague against some USA leaders. but they may not be against the idiot in charge though.

Not at all. You don't know Russians. Don't be scare, we don't bite.



All people are bastards? Hm... I'd agree... Well, most of them, which changes nothing.



It's to ConstantineK. He hates Poles. He's minister of hatred from Russian part. You'll find common language and surely be on the same wavelength.



Who made their choice? Didn't force whom?

You been to Grozny recently?

They are controlling measures, designed to contain rebel groups.

who made its choice? who had choice?

Serbs not for sure

Albanians?

Well, there were and are Albanians loyal to Serbian state. What about them? We didn`t had problems with them but, with Albanian extreme Muslim separatist movement.

USA and NATO financed (among others) that movement, helped in logistics of that movement (training camps in Albania and all over Muslim world), they dispached weapons to that movement and suppported their criminal and terrorist activity against Serbian state institutions. After they occupy Kosovo and Metohija, they, populated Kosovo (same as Bosnia-Herzegovina before that) with worse mujaheedine scum from Albania (on the first place) and then also from other Muslim countries.

NATO (especialy- USA, Germany, Britain, France, Turkey plus Austria and Hungary) attacked Yugoslavia and Serbia in propaganda and open war in coordination with that Albanian separatist movement. Plus, before that, they colaborated with all kind of movements and forces in world and inside of Yugoslavia in order to distroy that Slavic state. They encouraged all possible internal antagonisms to achive their aims, to harm even ideas which incline to possible future mutual Slavic enterprises and projects.


plk123

Serbs and Albanians and before that all Yugoslavs didn`t have choice. Somebody else, outside of Yugoslavia, decided that Yuga must died in agony. Some of us- Yugoslavs, maybe failed, maybe didn`t faild to protect our country but, all in all we didn`t have chance. Nor choice, nor chance.

All this what happened and what’s still going on around Yugoslavia is nothing else but just another example of `drang nach osten`, one more attempt that strangers control people and resources of Slavic world. We- Serbs choses not to accept that, as always. After all, that`s only choice that we realy had and have. That`s our only `sin`.