NEW WORLD ORDER

at what expense ? We are talking, famine, wars, genocides at the hands of elite zionists (not your average jew, there is a big difference).

This is a deeper subject. Pls take a look at the links i have shown you.

This is where we disagree..... First I don't deny that some have made money from war. However they don't have enough power to start a war just because they want to. Many factors must be in place for this to occur and they don't have the power to control or influence all of them. However if a war is started they just take advantage of it. They just take advantage of people's stupidity and I don't blame them..... Stupid people are the problem and not the Zionists...

Also this is a minority and the average Jew has nothing to do with this. Like you said yourself.

There will always be those who take advantage in wartime! Zionists or just some other rich bunghole! No large scale conspiracy could exist for that long some1 would find out and then they would b lynched!

thank you....... it's just reality......

WakeupPoland people make money from wars.... you own a company that makes guns.... of course you are happy that your becoming rich.... nothing sinister about this....

Silly conspiracy theorists! IT is possible there is a large scale conspiracy! Its very very unlikely though! I don't understand y ppl always think its the jews! I think its because of jealousy! There probably will be a large scale war sometime in the future! "as long as there are men there will b wars" ALBERT EINSTEIN!

That doesn't mean it will b an active war though it just means that there will always b conflicts. It could just be an economic war or a political war. People like make $ and some don't care wat they have to do to get on top. There really isn't any kind of larger agenda there. A bunch of rich ppl plotting for a long time to all share power would b hard to achieve since they are all so greedy they would all want to be the one on top. Its really difficult to get many ppl to all agree on the same thing especially when they are all so greedy and sociopathic.

Perfectly said....... these people at times are in direct competition with one another. Not to mention that hundreds of thousands of people would need to be controlled by these Zionists in order for them to have complete control of a government. It's hard enough for two people to conspire let alone hundreds of thousands...

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2008/03/non-interventionism.php

A great article about war on terror but also it mentions these paranoid theories that are used. It's long but if you find the time I highly recommend it.

I decided to look up some of these ideas and was led to (you guessed it) youtube. It's a short 8 minute video. It's more reading than anything though. It is interesting to read that what leaders have been saying for a very long time. But i'm sure someone will just try to pass it off as people are prone to do.

Mat,
I will make a deal with you....I will take the time and read it but you must agree to visit

watch the best 911 documentary ever...If you haven't watched it you will be shocked.

loose change 911:

You got yourself a deal........ Listen I don't deny there isn't truth in much of what you say.... However IMO its much more complex than that.......

For example let's say the US government shot down the plane heading for the White House (Plane from Pennsylvania).... Yes it might seem cruel however we knew that plane was heading for a building and shooting in down in the end saved more lives. The government lying about it is understandable, there would be public outrage if the government admitted to it....... However it doesn't change it was the best thing to do.... Now I don't believe it was shot down however if it was it wouldn't matter to me.. Same thing can be said about other theories.... Truth is we never will know the larger picture.....


I kind of went of course...... but we got a deal

Matty, the answer lies somewhere in between. The major financiers like Rothschild and Rockefeller, [i]inter alia[i], do have more power than u think, much more in fact. However, I also agree that other factors need to be in place. International relations through dialogue thankfully dictate the tempo more but don't underestimate the power of these money freaks. Mark my words, they will prey on a suitably gullible leader and shape events for the worse!!

You know I do agree with you.... They are powerful and most are corrupt, sh*t if you can pay a little money to have your way everybody on this earth would do the same, let's not act like Saints......If you can pay a million to a campaign to get a law changed to save you billion dollars, yes your going to do it....anybody who wouldn't would just be hurting themselves..

Also as far a NWO these people are in direct competition for power.... If one billionaire wants to change a law it may hurt another billionaire, Its a huge power struggle... We don't have to worry about them all coming together to rule us.... and this is just a simplified view there are hundreds of other factors that I haven't taken into consideration in this post that would have to be controlled (which is impossible) for the NWO to be established....



exactly right.......

The old brocard states, 'Every man has his price', Americans know this well too. A little chauvinistic at the same time, not good.

A cautionary tale may be the rise in the power of the Jewish lobby. These guys didn't need to read their 'Make Friends and Influence People' books. They have contacts and 'charming and persuasive' ways by disposition.

Yeah, they are careful not to stand on one another's toes. This distinguishes them from the mafia who are merciless at times. The mafia have different methods.

Nukes also swing the balance. Russia has this card as its ace

It's all rich people who have enourmous amounts of money (billionaires not millionaires).... Not just Jews but people of all nationalities.... If you were in that position you would have to do the same or your money would dissappear with a simple change of an single event. So you need to manipulate and fight to keep what you have...

All systems of governments and all countries are plagued by this, not just America.... It's not evil and some plan for world domination it's just greed........ but then again who would voluntarily give a billion dollar loss if they can do things to prevent it....

these are the facts of life..... that cannot be changed..... one person's gain is always another person's loss...

Yeah, but there is a dichotomy between those who further their enterprises strictly through business channels and those that further their empires through 'other' means.

Such a demarcation is important to state, it separates the wheat from the chaff. It is also important to look at agendas. Zakheim had a nasty notion in his 2000 paper in which he envisioned a global catastrophic event that would disrupt the stability of the world and recast the global framework and redefine the card holders.

everything overlaps in life..... For example your a gun manufacterer that makes weapons for the army..... Your business is war as bad as that sounds....not saying we should go to war just to make these people rich(we should avoid it at all costs) however when it's clear that a war is necessary to defend ourselves we should not avoid defending ourselves just to prevent these people from becoming rich...

So u r not a fan of the non-interventionist approaches then Matty? What goes around, comes around for sure, but the trillionaires make it their business to place themselves higher on the political ladder of sway. War is no guarantee of defending urself, I keep harping back to the 'hornet theory' but it has some validity. They will keep charging at u, and they sting badly. They are not just flies to be swatted.

Wow, what a crappy post, time for bed methinks

NWO is simply a red herring. The power Zionists yield is historical and nothing new about it.

For example, Did you know that the BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION of 1917 IN RUSSIA was a political movement headed by Jews....? Its roots lie in the Jewish Labor Bund, which was a Jewish political party in several European countries operating predominantly between the 1890s and the 1930s. Trotsky Bronstein was sent over from New York by Rothschilds to stir up the revoluton...Look at the below figures shortly after the 1917 revolution.

I will quote Henry Ford (yes Henry Ford in 1920 wrote a booklet called "The International Jew" to highlight the trouble Jews were making at the time):
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Very few Russians have anything to say about their own country these days. The so-called "Dictatorship of the Proletariat," in which the proletariat has nothing whatever to say, is Russian only in the sense that it is set up in Russia; it is not Russian in that it springs from or includes the Russian people. It is the international program of the Protocols, which might be "put over" by a minority in any country, and which is being given a dress-rehearsal in Russia.

Table showing Jewish control of Russia 1920
Number of Members Number of Jewish Members Jewish Percentage

The Council of the Commissaries of the People 22 17 77.2%
The Commissariat of War 43 33 76.7%
The Commissariat of Foreign Affairs 16 13 81.2%
The Commissariat of Finance 30 24 80.0%
The Commissariat of Justice 21 20 95.2%
The Commissariat of Public Instruction 53 42 79.2%
The Commissariat of Social Assistance 6 6 100.0%
The Commissariat of Work 8 7 87.5%
Delegates of the Bolshevik Red Cross to Berlin, Vienna, Varsovie, Bucharest, Copenhagen 8 8 100.0%
Commissaries of the Provinces 23 21 91.3%
Journalists 41 41 100.0%

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The TSAR opposed the Jews as they were a threat to the monarchy. As such the Jews plotted to overthrow the Monarchy. This was done as a social revolutuonary movement headed by Jews such as Lenin & Trotsky Bronstein and financed by the likes of Rothschilds.

Note that currently 7 out of the 10 Oligarchs (Russian billionaires who became billionaires after the collapse of the Soviet Union. State assets such oil, steel, gas, etc...were sold off in the name of PRIVATIZATION at ridiculous prices and terms) are Jewish.

Some more quotes which Henry Ford used in his booklet to show Yiddish leadership of the Russian revolutionaries:

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William Chapin Huntington, who was commercial attache of the United States Embassy at Petrograd, testified:

"The leaders of the movement, I should say, are about two-thirds Russian Jews. The Bolsheviks are internationalists, and they were not interested in the particular national ideals of Russia."

William W. Welch, an employee of the National City Bank, New York, testified:

"In Russia it is well known that three-fourths of the Bolshevik leaders are Jewish. There were some ? not many, but there were some ? real Russians; and what I mean by real Russians is Russian-born, and not Russian Jews."

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JUST LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES. IT IS RIDICULOUS. THEY WERE RUNNING THE DAMN COUNTRY AND MOST OF THEM COULDNT EVEN SPEAK RUSSIAN.

THIS IS THE POWER THEY YIELD. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. IT TAKES PLOTTING AND PLANNING, AND MONEY.

HOMEWORK FOR YOU: HAVE A LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF JEWS IN AMERICAN POLITICS.

lol, I am not, to be fair its a good concept and in theory it sounds good but in practice its a horrible approach with serious consequences......... if all human being were peace loving than yeah that approach would work.... but lets be realistic here...... the world will never work that way....... at least not in the near future....

side note: I do hate these behind the scenes people but I also understand them....... i see it as human nature and not some evil demonic agenda...... this is life, like I said one person's gain is another one's loss.... the world is not fair and never will be with limited resources..... the only thing we can do is try to level out the playing field....

Bravo, it's important to be clear about the varying nature of theory Vs practice. Many say communism is a sound theory but it was used as a political tool and grossly mismanaged. The bleak reality is that u will be left behind if u r too obsessed with peace. It was OK for John Lennon to sing about giving peace a chance and "Imagine', from the luxury of his white mansion. Others aren't afforded the time or opportunity.

Wake up, poland. The zionists aren't a secret movement. They are just the people who supported jewish independence in israel. It's like saying the polish naitonlists are a secret elite. what's you problem? Why don't you make up some secret polish group and try to take over the world. you think it's so easy?

WORLD CONQUEST THROUGH WORLD JEWISH GOVERNMENT

THE PROTOCOLS
OF THE LEARNED ELDERS
OF ZION

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Everything that is written in this booklet is happening.

It is? OMG, superman you have to do something to stop them! It's aliens from a jewish planet.

I have to say that you are overdoing it a bit, with these positive stands on Jewry and Masons, by people who usually do not understand the whole subject.

It was mentioned earlier the incompetence of those people who reputedly emphasize the Jewish threat and who see all around them some sort of conspiracies.
Someone said that all of them are paranoid teens and uneducated people.
Here are now a few quotations of these uneducated people and their thoughts on International Jewry:

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This is just some of the statements of individuals, famous persons from history about the chosen people. There is so much of it that its unbelievable.

About the objections I received where I quoted World famous men, I can say that the point was their attitude towards Jewry, and all of them were very competent people in different fields and surely their words left a deep mark.

LOL There is no organized conspiracy for a new world order! Find something better to waste your time on like your studies!

I can't believe you're linking me to that crackpot antisemitic site. You're really in good company there!

You want to know about jewish conspiracies? The only one I know about was led by Jesus' followers who went and turned all the european barbarian pagans into christians (but still barbarians).

And who the hel are the masons and what do they have to do with the Jews? Are the lion's club and the rotary club in on this conspiracy too?

Damn that is really disturbing. Why are people still hating on the Jews? I mean those people have been through hell it's just absurd how u can think you are ethical but still promote antisemitism!
UR JUST JEALOUS B/C YOUR LANDLORD IS A JEW OR IS IT THE OWNER OF YOUR BANK? OR YOUR BOSS?
Jews tend to be more educated than the general populice. My friend when he had his bartmizva or watever u call it had to study Hebrew for a long time before he could have his party. It makes sense that they are more educated their religion requires it!

Saying No To Tyranny

Exposing the shepherds who are leading the world to enslavement.

David Rockefeller's Book: "Memoirs"=Treason in Writing

In David Rockefeller's book "Memoirs" he admits that he is part of a secret cabal working to destroy the United States and create a New World Order.



Here is the direct quote from his book pg. 405

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller

Shows how much you know....In order to become a politician with any sort of influence you need to have sold your soul to the devil.

All politicians are liars and mixed up in bad business. They need to in order to get anywhere in politics.

dude calm down, don't be so dramatic....... It's people's fault that they vote for politicians by how well they play the game.... If people weren't so naive this stuff wouldn't go down...