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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 29, 08, 17:27  #211

Seanus wrote:
just don't underestimate the possibility of the US being manipulated by key players.


I see the possibility, it's even happening, doesn't matter, their not manipulating to create a NWO so they can make slaves out of people, but manipulating so they don't lose their influence and power and even to make the world a better place.... I'm not worried about it or anything.... If I was rich I would be doing the same exact thing so I can influence things.... If I was this powerful I would manipulate the government so they attack Saudia Arabia, Iran, help with poverty in Africa and help freedom across the world.... does that make me evil??????


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 17:30  #212

Yes;)


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matthias
  Mar 29, 08, 17:32  #213

Seanus wrote:
Yes;)


well then, Im evil.... I don't know what else to tell you.........


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 17:34  #214

youtube.com/watch?v=_7VsoxT_FUY BAD TO THE BONE


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WAKEUPPOLAND2
  Mar 29, 08, 17:40  #215

matthias wrote:
help with poverty in Africa and help freedom across the world.... does that make me evil??????


Where do you see this happening?


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 17:41  #216

Bono and other like-minded individuals helping out


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 29, 08, 17:44  #217

WAKEUPPOLAND2 wrote:
Where do you see this happening?


where, ummmm the hundreds of billions of dollars poured into Africa, helping people of Iraq, Supporting Taiwan, Supporting the Dalai Lama, Support for NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine, Support for all asylum seeks and refugess... Their are hundreds more....

Now if your telling me they do that also for their own benefit, you might be right... but does that matter..... let's say the US only decided to stop Hitler because they thought it would benefit them.. does is really matter why... the good news is they stopped Hitler...


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 18:10  #218

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/mar2008/iwar-m19.shtml, and Iraq has been a shining success story, right?

Supporting the Dalai Lama when the global climate suits it. Georgia and Ukraine would be nice tho


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matthias
  Mar 29, 08, 18:13  #219

Seanus wrote:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/mar2008/iwar-m19.shtml, and Iraq has been a shining success story, right?


things don't always go according to plan, doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done..... If we lost to Hitler would that mean that we should have not tried to stop him??????

Seanus wrote:
Supporting the Dalai Lama when the global climate suits it


US, has always been critizing China's human rights records.... Sometimes more vocal then others..... Being more vocal of course when people are actually dying....

Seanus wrote:
Georgia and Ukraine would be nice tho


Yeah, I think so also....


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 18:25  #220

Maybe u didn't read the earlier threads of mine Matty, but I have constantly applauded American WWII efforts. So, I'm not gonna U-turn suddenly. Iraq is a different kettle of fish entirely.

I've always criticised China's human rights record, so what?

Zapraszamy Ukraina i Gruzja


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Edited by: matthias  Mar 29, 08, 18:36  #221

Seanus wrote:
Maybe u didn't read the earlier threads of mine Matty, but I have constantly applauded American WWII efforts. So, I'm not gonna U-turn suddenly. Iraq is a different kettle of fish entirely.


how's it differant??? besides the obvious that Hitler was expanding into Europe....

Seanus wrote:
I've always criticised China's human rights record, so what?


That's good, so what??? I dont know you brought it up that the globe only makes a fuss when it suits them.... truth is they only make a fuss when people are dying....

Seanus wrote:
Zapraszamy Ukraina i Gruzja


Is that how you say Georgia in Polish???? Oh sh*t I learn something new everyday....


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 18:42  #222

Gruzja, tak. Hitler had the potential to Nazi-ise the world. Saddam didn't


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matthias
  Mar 29, 08, 18:47  #223

Seanus wrote:
Hitler had the potential to Nazi-ise the world. Saddam didn't


Yes, that's true...... however they both committed Genocide.... that's more than enough, at least for me to attack Saddam... Regardless if Saddam had the potential to kill me or not in the states.... For me it's enough he had the power to kill innocent people in Iraq whenever he felt like it...


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 18:48  #224

Why did u wanna stop Iraqis being killed Matty?


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 29, 08, 18:52  #225

Seanus wrote:
Why did u wanna stop Iraqis being killed Matty?


why, better question is why wouldn't I....... genocide in any country should be stopped..... if their was genocide in Poland as much as I love the country I wouldn't sympathize if it was attacked........ Or genocide in the US.... I also wouldn't sympathize if US was attacked.... Sure I would worry about my family in Poland.... but the hundreds of thousands dying has to be stopped at all costs...


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WAKEUPPOLAND2
  Mar 29, 08, 18:53  #226

matthias wrote:
where, ummmm the hundreds of billions of dollars poured into Africa, helping people of Iraq, Supporting Taiwan, Supporting the Dalai Lama, Support for NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine, Support for all asylum seeks and refugess... Their are hundreds more....


Pouring billions into Africa....?
to help them commit genocides and starve each other to death....while they keep extracting, Gold, Copper, Rubber, Diamonds and all other natural resources.

Helping people of Iraq ? to kill each other....while the oil keeps flowing out...?

Supporting Taiwan? no idea what they are doing in Taiwan enlighten me please....

Supporting the Dalai Lama ? to make trouble for China who is now a formidabble foe for the US and its allies?

Support for NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine ? ....Regime change in the name of Democracy ?

Support for all asylum seeks and refugess ?...Oh Yes you mean Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib;

"As of December 31, 2005, the largest source countries of refugees are the Palestinian Territories, Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar, and Sudan. The country with the largest number of IDPs is Sudan, with over 5 million. According to UNHCR estimates, over 4.2 million Iraqis have been displaced since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, with 2 million within Iraq and 2.2 million in neighbouring countries. At least 60,000 Iraqis are losing their homes and becoming refugees every month. (Wikipedia, cant be bothered for any more reliable source)

I do believe that prior to Bolshevik-ZIonist revolution of Russia in 1917 there were very few historic refugees identified.

NICE LIST MAT!!!!


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 18:58  #227

By 1987, Saddam was being promised $1bn in credit. By 1990, just before Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, annual trade between Iraq and the US had grown to $3.5bn a year.

The film spotlights this forgotten war which resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of civilian Kurds between 1988-1991.

Genocide started in 1988 (or earlier?) and continued. 18 years of a tyrants rule Matty. The damage was done LONG b4 2006. Where was the cessation of genocide b4 that?

Better late than never doesn't wash here. If it must be stopped at all costs, why wasn't it?


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matthias
Edited by: matthias  Mar 29, 08, 18:59  #228

WAKEUPPOLAND2 wrote:
Pouring billions into Africa....? to help them commit genocides and starve each other to death....while they keep extracting, Gold, Copper, Rubber, Diamonds and all other natural resources.


you blame the rich people for that.... I blame the African leaders who take that money and put in their bank accounts instead of spreading it to the people... This is what leads to violence.... the corrupt Politicans in Africa.......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3819027.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2265387.stm
http://www.globaldevelopmentmatters.org/?gclid=CKaX0qzEs5ICFR4fkgod_kD GOA

WAKEUPPOLAND2 wrote:
Helping people of Iraq ? to kill each other....while the oil keeps flowing out...?


We are trying to restore security.... be serious here..... we want Iraq to succceed if not were screwed.... let's go even futher... tell me the increase of oil from Iraq into the US...... let me guess there isnt any.....

WAKEUPPOLAND2 wrote:
Supporting Taiwan? no idea what they are doing in Taiwan enlighten me please....


We have signed a defense pact with Taiwan in case it's attacked by China..... Taiwan has been free since 1940, and it should continue being free...

WAKEUPPOLAND2 wrote:
Supporting the Dalai Lama ? to make trouble for China who is now a formidabble foe for the US and its allies?


More like to help one of the most spiritual people in the world.... Ill choose the Dalai Lama over communist China anyday..... Trouble??? Yes it's trouble, China prefers to silence it's critics.... If you defend China over the Dalai Lama is just shows how unresonable your being.... your taking this personally instead of taking a objective view....

WAKEUPPOLAND2 wrote:
Support for NATO membership for Georgia and Ukraine ? ....Regime change in the name of Democracy ?


Regime change????? ahhh how is helping them be free of Russian abuse wrong....

WAKEUPPOLAND2 wrote:
Support for all asylum seeks and refugess ?...Oh Yes you mean Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib;


awww, you consider terrorists refugees?????????

WAKEUPPOLAND2 wrote:

NICE LIST MAT!!!!


nice responce..... ... not one of them was good


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 19:06  #229

About Taiwan, read this, The mutual defence pact with Taiwan was ended, and the following, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/asia_pacific/2000/taiwan_election/ 948436.stm


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Edited by: matthias  Mar 29, 08, 19:11  #230

Seanus wrote:
About Taiwan, read this, The mutual defence pact with Taiwan was ended, and the following, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/asia_pacific/2000/taiwan_election/ 948436.stm


could be true, I don't support ending it but either way they still have our support..... if you read that article Seanus you will read that the US reserves the right to sell defensive weapons... also that it wants to foster democracy on the island...


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 19:16  #231

Also that there is a very delicate balance to be struck and that u don't want to rock the boat in case China reacts


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matthias
  Mar 29, 08, 19:20  #232

Seanus wrote:
Also that there is a very delicate balance to be struck and that u don't want to rock the boat in case China reacts


that's true...... politics isn't easy...... especially in the international realm.....


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 19:23  #233

In all honesty, Taiwan is a pawn used as a moderator in the relationship with China. Most Americans couldn't give a hoot about Taiwan. Say what boy??? Thailand, ain't that in Europe??? LOL


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matthias
  Mar 29, 08, 19:28  #234

Seanus wrote:
In all honesty, Taiwan is a pawn used as a moderator in the relationship with China.


Yes maybe, Taiwan doesn't mind because it benefits just as much as the US does from this relationship.... Taiwan isn't stupid they know what their doing as do the US.... it's a win win for both sides.... this is how alliances are formed.... when both countries benefit...


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WAKEUPPOLAND2
  Mar 29, 08, 19:28  #235

matthias wrote:

that's true...... politics isn't easy...... especially in the international realm.....


I dont think your President Bush could have said anything more meaningless ! LOL


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matthias
  Mar 29, 08, 19:30  #236

WAKEUPPOLAND2 wrote:
I dont think your President Bush could have said anything more meaningless ! LOL


what???? First Bush didn't say that as far as I know..... I did.... either way it's true.....


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WAKEUPPOLAND2
  Mar 29, 08, 19:35  #237

matthias wrote:
I blame the African leaders who take that money and put in their bank accounts instead of spreading it to the people... This is what leads to violence.... the corrupt Politicans in Africa.......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3819027.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2265387.stm
http://www.globaldevelopmentmatters.org/?gclid=CKaX0qzEs5ICFR4fkgod_kD GOA


OMG mat you are so thick. I quote your own links:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3819027.stm
"In Nigeria, the international oil giant Shell admitted that it inadvertently fed conflict, poverty and corruption through its oil activities in the country."

Shell is one of the cogs of the zionist wheel. Just proves my point. The word inadvertently has to be there....obviously they are not going to say they are doing it willfully.


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Edited by: matthias  Mar 29, 08, 19:38  #238

WAKEUPPOLAND2 wrote:
"In Nigeria, the international oil giant Shell admitted that it inadvertently fed conflict, poverty and corruption through its oil activities in the country."


Shell, that's not American but from the Netherlands take it up with them......... Also look up the defination of inadvertently......... It wasn't some plan.... it just happened as result of Shell doing business in the country..... Sometimes you don't know where your money is going to.... Anyways is it shells fault that these jungle bunny's are using that money to start wars.... your blame lies with the wrong people... it's funny how you blame the rich who just want to do business instead of the people actually doing the killing...


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Seanus
  Mar 29, 08, 19:42  #239

I don't think Shell is controlled by the Zionists tho. More likely Halliburton. The Nigerians dislike oil workers 4 sure. My friend needed a guard the whole time he worked there.


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Edited by: matthias  Mar 29, 08, 19:45  #240

Seanus wrote:
My friend needed a guard the whole time he worked there.


OMG, your friend is evil working for such a company....... I think he's in on the conspiracy...... I wouldn't be friends with him...... Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) is kidnapping workers because the government of Nigeria gets money for oil in the region and spends it on the region where the government politicians live instead of spending it to improve the whole country.... Once again corrupt, tribal thinking jungle bunnys....

Seanus wrote:
don't think Shell is controlled by the Zionists tho. More likely Halliburton


First parts true, second part is not.....


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