PolishForums   Republic of Poland Online
Home . Polls . Search Witamy,  [Guest 38.103.63.16]  Latest Discussions . Unanswered Posts
 Please register or login below:

 » Username  » Password 
Polish Forums / Polish Politics & History /

The New World Order and Poland's place


Page:  «« 1 [2]
posts: 38
 
Tran Anh
Edited by: Tran Anh  Jan 6, 08, 02:25  #31

joepilsudski wrote:
but, please, who will rule this 'higher universe'


The rulers of this 'universe' will be Poles themselves and the rest of the world that they consider their own. 'The elite' will be simply the ones who are personally more concerned with administrative aspects and get universally elected for their administrative talent. They get their treatment no better than the rest. And
Tran Anh wrote:
every citizen can watch, react and participate in all actions of this massive government if they so choose


Hope your noble curiosity has been satisfied.


Member
Posts: 144
Joined: Jun 23, 07
                              
 
lesser
Edited by: lesser  Jan 6, 08, 09:01  #32

Tran Anh wrote:
The only but great disadvantage of 'Small' (i will clarify it below) countries is when someone simply decide to swallow them and quickly accomplish the deed (the scenario is very likely if "each only sticks to its own business''), thus rendering all development a waste of time.


I don't want to change boundaries of the countries. Regionalism means simply that regions of countries would have almost of competences except foreign and defense policy. So this would change nothing, defensive ability would be the same and maybe even better because simplest system would be more efficient.

Tran Anh wrote:

However if you meant that a certain country can adopt the stance and model of Switzerland to be free, prosperous and safely forget the rest of the world, then you are kinda utopian now (in a worst sense). The Swiss were only spared in the 20th century thanks to its neighbour (we know who) was clever enough to realise its utter uselessness other than being a 'temporary' docile safe for stolen money (there is no doubt that had Hitler fulfilled his goal, he would have finished off "Helvetia" as old Bonaparte so smoothly did centuries before). And in later time did it lie diffirently from its current location (say, in Balcan or Middle East), the oh-so-famous model would either not exist or be quickly consumed.


Times are changing, the Germans are not Nazis anymore and maybe except meaningless Balkans people are sick and tired of wars. This could be proper time to decentralize European countries but unfortunately Brussels bureaucrats stealing our freedoms, introducing their version of socialism went in opposite direction.

Tran Anh wrote:
-The establishment of a world government in its true sense is neccesary to cleanse that atmosphere, bringing prosperity and equality to all particating nations and accordingly to every citizen. Thanks to that, it will be the thing all governments dream to be: Sustainable.


This is pure utopia... This was proofed so many times that socialism doesn't works, bring only disaster instead planned prosperity. You need to understand that when distance between people and administration is small, then the latter is afraid. While when distance between people and administration is huge then people are doomed because the latter don't care want they want. I advice you to study some practical economics instead pushing idealistic globalist ideology.


Member
Posts: 783
Joined: Oct 19, 07
                              
 
Tran Anh
  Jan 7, 08, 02:36  #33

lesser wrote:
Times are changing, the Germans are not Nazis anymore and maybe except meaningless Balkans people are sick and tired of wars


lesser wrote:
This is pure utopia


Agreed with your point about the Germans, still your idea that every country (or even region), big and small, can live peacefully together without a common law and a common law enforcer is even more than pure utopia. How can you explain the ever rising expenses on weapons around the world? How come that arms industry is still among the most expanding and profitable? As at some stage of mankind development, humans grouped together to form a nation for a locally relative safety, there will be the stage when all nations will have to join up into one single body for the universal 'relative' safety (There is no perfect safety, the term 'relative' I use corresponds with the definition of 'risk' in each era, so just try to imagine the risks in the next 100 years). This is a fact bases entirely on speculative reason. Thus our (and our descendants') responsibility is to make sure when it happens, it will not be the same immaturely developed models that failed repeatedly in the past.

lesser wrote:
You need to understand that when distance between people and administration is small, then the latter is afraid. While when distance between people and administration is huge then people are doomed because the latter don't care want they want.

I dont know how many times I have stressed the importance of citizens being well-equipped with advanced technology education in the age of world government. Please try to imagine how technology will drastically reduce geographical distance in the next hundred years (the only problem would be human colonies in the universe, but I will not bring into the discussion for fear of enormously complicating it!) As I have said somewhere in this very topic:
TA wrote:
It is unnecessary to wrap up ourselves with our contemporary limited means and then fear the scenario of a rather far future.



Member
Posts: 144
Joined: Jun 23, 07
                              
 
lesser
  Jan 7, 08, 04:45  #34

When I write "distance" I mean not geographical issue but ability of "democratic control".

I think that we need agree to disagree, because our views are radically different.


Member
Posts: 783
Joined: Oct 19, 07
                              
 
joepilsudski
Edited by: joepilsudski  Jan 7, 08, 11:04  #35

Tran Anh wrote:
The rulers of this 'universe' will be Poles themselves and the rest of the world that they consider their own. 'The elite' will be simply the ones who are personally more concerned with administrative aspects and get universally elected for their administrative talent. They get their treatment no better than the rest.


What you are suggesting sounds very much like the Communist Manifesto...As a Vietnamese native, who has seen his country exposed to tyranies from the Chinese, French & US, & your native communists, I would say to you: beware of such naive ideas,
because all proposed 'utopias' end up in tyranies.

Member
Posts: 625
Joined: Apr 27, 07
                              
 
Tran Anh
  Jan 13, 08, 13:11  #36

I have been very busy recently, so here is my rather late reply:

joepilsudski wrote:
As a Vietnamese native, who has seen his country exposed to tyranies from the Chinese, French & US, & your native communists

I must be more than a thousand year old to see the Chinese 'tyranny' in Viet Nam, at least 54 year old to witness French Indochine in its lame glory and well, you are the first ever to tell me about American tyranny! Certainly with all respectful neutrality, to the South Vietnamese, the Yankees were quite a generous ally while to the Northerners, they had been properly kicked in the butt. End of the story. About our 'native commies', the question whether they are proper tyrants or not will bring up a very big topic, thus outside the theme of this one.

joepilsudski wrote:
What you are suggesting sounds very much like the Communist Manifesto..., I would say to you: beware of such naive ideas, because all proposed 'utopias' end up in tyranies.


Thank you very much for your sagely advice, and I suppose that I would kindly reciprocate by suggesting you be less bleak. I have even bothered to write a rather long and sumptuous sermon about the inevitable triumph of universal idealism but then I decided not to post it. For I am afraid that, first I may appear insufferably smug (which is against my principles) and secondly, it may convert you, thus eliminating your principal usefulness in all forums that you participate: Your jaded ‘pragmatism’. A tolerably coherent pragmatist like you is well-recognized in 'our circle' as a good training ground for young and overly impatient idealists, tempering their zeal and sharping their ideology. We ‘experienced idealists’ are certain that ‘our cause’ will end in victory (in a very far future) so leaving a utilisable 'pragmatist' ‘intact’ is no big deal (as long as he is acceptably decent in his shiny cynicism).
Kind regards.


Member
Posts: 144
Joined: Jun 23, 07
                              
 
joepilsudski
Edited by: joepilsudski  Jan 15, 08, 12:51  #37

Tran Anh wrote:
A tolerably coherent pragmatist like you is well-recognized in 'our circle' as a good training ground for young and overly impatient idealists, tempering their zeal and sharping their ideology. We ‘experienced idealists’ are certain that ‘our cause’ will end in victory (in a very far future) so leaving a utilisable 'pragmatist' ‘intact’ is no big deal (as long as he is acceptably decent in his shiny cynicism).


Well, I have now been described as a racsist, a demagogue, an 'anti-semite', and now a
'tolerably-coherent pragmatist', so I guess this is what you would call 'progress' or an 'evolution'...I actually have a great love for life and my brothers & sisters, and believe in great possibilities for our future, with God's help...as an artist, I actually tend to have a rather mystical viewpoint , i.e. seeing the beauty and mystery of life...but the reality of what could be termed 'the spirit of pride which elevates itself above God' gives me pause, and viewing history also makes me cautious about 'lofty human ideals', or words.

Member
Posts: 625
Joined: Apr 27, 07
                              
 
Doba
  Jan 15, 08, 13:13  #38

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/graphics/nwo.gif


NWO 4 LIFE !!


Member
Posts: 112
Joined: Jan 9, 08
                              
 
Page:  «« 1 [2] Similar Threads¦Latest Discussions Go UPtop of page

Home / Polish Politics & History /


Only registered and logged-in users may post here. Please login or register.

Newer thread in this forum: Older thread in this forum:
Polish soldiers and the legacy of Depleted Uranium. Poland: we have an interesting history.

91 users online in the last hour [Guests - 61 / Members - 30] All times are CST (GMT -6)

Home . Latest Discussions . Unanswered Posts . Statistics
© 2005-08 PolishForums.com | About Us | Contact Us | Privacy, TOS, Rules | Poland Advertising | Support PF