Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland

polish people are clearly shifting towards right.Palikot and SLD crushed,and more right wing preferences surfaces..with Kukiz surprising success.
wonder why poles turned away from leftist,so dramatically?
my guess is,leftist very aggressive populism and approach to politic was too much for people. Hartman,Szczuka,Palikot,Senyszyn ,Biedron.ect.were too aggressive,and seen as people unable to compromise or even to have civilized conversation with their adversaries

More than 50% of Poles don't vote and the reason is not hard to figure out ;). Most Poles know that politics in general is bs and that elections are pure marketing. Whoever wins is the guy/woman doing the best campaign! Poles (on the whole, like any other people) know that whoever wins is not the ... "best". Richer candidates have strong marketing teams coaching them how to talk, what to say/do and how, how to dress, etc etc... Only naive people think X or Y is elected/rejected for their ideas. Komorowski was great during the debate and that wat counts for most voters and whoever is better in tonight's debate shall win on Sunday. Kukiz made a big score very probably because he was on tv a few days before the 1st round. That is the way it works everywhere, not only in Poland. Voters don't read programs (some candidates have no programs) and vote simply because X talks "good on tv" or smiles a lot...

@Gregy: I personally know some of the persons you mention and believe me, they are not as you say...

That sounds like music for my ears.

Every time that i feel bad, or losing hope on humankind, i see the result of both the Polish and the British elections, were in both cases the Left-Wing and Socialists were kicked out epically.

This is so beautiful... People valuating the freedom and democracing and rejecting the authoritarian socialism from the left side.

And Palikot is a complete Clown. He is so ridiculous and stereotypical that a entire Stand up comedy show can be made just using his pathetic speeches and ideas.

Maybe Poland should split. The Eastern half can have their socialist government and total economic ruin, and we can have ours. Good idea?

However I am confident that the Polish electorate do have brains in their heads, as shown by every Voivodeship west of Warsaw, and do the right thing. I still think Harry will not have to contribute to charity this week.

Certainly not: 'Polska B' has the best hops, some of the best beer and a lot of the best holiday destinations, to say nothing of the finest fillies. When they offer all of that, giving them to right to unceasingly vote for utter morons is a small price to pay.

last time PIS was in government,there was almost 7% grow of GDP a year

I knew about the Bug - but didn't know about the fillies. Back in the English Midlands I met only heifers :) Polska B must be well made up.

That's a lie. Poland B do not regularly vote for the Platformer morons, crooks and other shady types, and the Platfusy are the biggest party that harbours so many of scam artists and idiots.

Quite right, 'Polska B' pretty much always votes for the kind of morons who do thing such as ordering their pilot to change course and land in an war zone without any prior planning at all and who then call the pilot a coward when he refuses to carry out their insane orders.

that was cool...and then he went through war zone in his BMW. LK was a G
now compare KOMO-twa.t when he sent his thugs to beat up some poor guy for shouting "WSI", today

Indeed, only morons vote for Komorowski and his Platforma which is disgrace to Poland. Morons who let TVN and other propaganda media to wash their brains, luckily they are minorities, 2 more days and bye bye Komorowski scum.

Poland A or, better yet, Poland AA stands for arrogant a*seholes!

Except that this is the Polish Forum, not a global or foreign corporate forum.We should consider what is good for Poland and Poles. Is it good that Balcerowicz sold off or destroyed most of Poland's industry, that most Polish brands are foreign owned and that effectively Połes work in their own country as mercenaries of foreign conglomerates. Why hasn't anything been done over the past quarter-century to create a Polish corporate class, Polish corporations manufacturing and exporting original Polish-designed products? Globalism is fine when one is a player, not a victim. About the only example of Poles participating in globalism is chain of petrol staitons in Germany. And the best known Polish logo is reportedly some tawdry computer game called Witcher. Not much to show for after 25 years of market economy.

25 years of an imitation of a true market economy. Held back by PIS and Solidarnosc and all the rest of the socialists.
Of course Balcerowicz did the right thing. Poland had no capital funds. He kickstarted the economy. You PIS "patriots" would have everybody eating tasteless Polish "cream" cake, but no bread.

******* mad. You have no respect for your country if you vote for a gang who want to **** with the economy. I am but a poor boy, and can't afford to be ****** by PIS. As before, I wont believe that Poles will be so dumb as to vote for this gang of puerile populists. it's like 2005 all over again. Then we had the EU accession to lift us out of PIS's mismanagement. This time we will be ****** big time if Duda inspires a change in government in autumn. All who hate communism should hate all that PIS stand for - they stand for state interference, and hindrance, and taxation, and bureacracy, and populism, and xenophobia, and no change (never mind what they tell you - they are socialist hand out merchants who NEVER change) and they are hard on law and order - which translates that you will never be safe from their police, their extra spending on the "great" Poland - when now Europe is one unified mass, and there is no greater Germany, or greater Serbia - whatever Crow might think.

Really mad. Come on - wake up people.

And do your research Polonious. In Petroleum engineering and fish farming, to name but two professions, Polish engineers lead the world. And from small acorns big trees grow. Given a true market economy of course. Poland is too poor for a socialist joker outfit like PIS who are unfit to govern,

Poland A says so. Poland B can go **** themselves. They are not going to ruin my businesses.

i watched some interview with tymochowicz today.he was telling a story about 2 psychotherapists,arguing ,how to take away more children from troubled families. cus they get money from every child taken away from family and placed in foster families.

this is Poland made by PO..pathology everywhere....this is grotesque comedy what PO stands for...


hahahahahahahahahahahaha...coming from PO supporter...you are living under rock?get some basic economic information before you start barking

It's hard to believe that you run even one business having such small understanding of what is going on, unelss you call walking labrador in Gdynia's forest a business. It's Komorowski and his PO good at ruining businesses by not changing complicated tax system, bureaucracy (registring a car for your company takes 3 days which is a joke) corruption of the tax office and many many more that makes young ambitious Polish people to start their businesses abroad instead of Poland.

Poland had serious assets in 1989 -- KGHM, the shipyards, then still productive, the refinerifes, AZoty, coalfields, Cegielski Marine engineering Works, Stalowa Wola ,car and aviation factoties and other important industrial faciltiies apart form thsoe that were antiquated. That could have been the basis of a Polish Capital Consortium (PCC), a public-private undertaking that could have attratced private Polish investors. Then, for example, when Daewoo went bankrupt, the PCC could have pruchased its Polish and developed its Polish operation, instead the Ukrainians did. Ex-comunist Balcerowicz did absolutely nothing in that direction. Instead, he turned Poland into a crony-friendly place attracting foreign investors solely as a cheap manpower country.

"To fanatically mindless Cathophobes, protection should be extended to everyone -- Muslims, atheists, anti-globalists, agnostics, homos, Hindus, transgenderists, Shintoists, Greens, Negroes, bisexuals, Orientals, anarchists, Jews of course and most everyone else, but not to the RCC."

Thanks for expressing exactly how i feel.

The political correctness dictatorship, defended by Palikot and Grodza, applies to everyone EXCEPT to the catholics. Pure and simple Cathophobia.

Really? You sure? It took me more time to re-register mine privately than if I'd signed off on it as a company car as they wanted me to.

honestly,i havent been living in Poland for a while..but this country become some monthy phyton world.stupidity at highest level.
just watched latest debate between Duda and Komorowski.and that Olejnik ...first part-introduction,exchanging"pleasantries" and then ...........
Fokin Jedwabne,AND HOLOCOUST,AND WHO IS NICER TO JEWS....... WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO FOKIN CARES ABOUT 50 PPL KILLED 70 YEARS AGO FFS!! HOW MANY MILION TIMES CAN THIS **** BE DEBATED.
KIDS GO HUNGRY,CORRUPTION MILIONS POLES CLEANING TOILETS IN THE UK AND THOSE IDIOTS TALKS ABOUT JEDWABNE...
WHO FOKIN RUNS THIS CIRCUS???/

would you like to back it up with some statistics?

Couldn't agree more Gregy - and whether we like it or not, PO are the only party with experience and who can be trusted with the economy.

If you have an ounce of humanity in you - then in Britain vote Labour.
In Poland though we can't afford a socialist government - and that's what PIS are. They are the party that bang on about Katyn and other "essential historical events" 70 years after the event although that will not provide a stronger economy.

And for all those people that are in Poland B, and whinging about their lot, why don't they get on their bikes? I was stopped by a 25 year old in Zakopane while cycling, and he asked me for a handout. I was twice his age at the time and asked him why he didn't get down to Nowy Targ and present himself at the factories. He said he didn't have the bus fare, but he had a bike for chrissakes.

PIS would give him that handout.

If that's the case, then why not declare a one-party state? It's been tried before.

Mmm - good point, but no. Nothing wrong with a SLD style government viz 1999 per se - but not PIS.

In Poland though we can't afford a socialist government - and that's what PIS are.

Who told you PiS are socialist? You seem to be confused, frankly.

currenteventspoland.com/news/solidarnosc-endorses-andrzej-duda-from-pis-for-president-of-poland.html

Socialist as ****, man.

Duda stands for all the worst excesses of socialist populism.

No - lived here for 23 years and been actively involved in the community in Silesia and in local politics.
PIS are for state interference, handouts, and subsidy. That's called socialism. PO are for the opposite.

Simples really innit.

What is simple is that you don't understand politics in Poland, must be some language barrier.

I think I understand politics here only too well thank you Wulkan.

PIS have socialist policies. It is you that don't understand the concept of socialism. Call it Prawo i Sprawiedliwość or whatever - what's in a name? People read "Law and order" and read "Conservative" with a capital C. PIS is not conservative. You can see what PIS would have had happen if you visit Myslowice or Siemanowice in Silesia. These are two ghost towns that have refused or been denied investment from without (the second named from a German conglomerate. These two towns are now a big slag heap. Thanks to socialist policies of "Poland first." It's a joke, and a bad one. Call them conservative policies if you like Wulkan - but others know better. There is only the one party that gets things done, whilst PIS are burbling on like imbeciles about some Russian secret weapon that brings down jetliners, and that is PO, the liberal-conservative party for business - which is what Poland needs and has to have if we are all going to have work, and get paid for it.

When I lived in the UK, I voted for a minimum wage, and for heavy industry subsidies, and for a raising on the ceiling on untaxable income, for 50 per cent tax for the wealthy, and for increased investment in the health service, and for maintaining public services, and for student fees to remain free, and for the rising of pensions, and for investment in the railways.

All of the above are socialist policies, if I really need to spell it out to you. They are Duda's policies.

I happened to think that the UK in 1992 could afford them.

In 2015 Poland can't afford the above policies (though i strongly agree with the raising of the minimum wage). Now, what do you struggle with understanding?

am all against social state myself...those social policies are affordable for wealthy countries like Sweden not meant for Poland.
but PO is not liberal economically either,and is stand for massive state involvement ,,see rise of bureaucracy and corruption under PO leadersahip
they are call themselves liberals,but PO shifted left long ago,with all liberals left party or become meaningless..now Kopacz leftist are most influential there.they were never liberal ,,see massive increase national debts,rising taxes,vat,bureaucracy,complicated tax law ect.

And another thing.

Now I have to **** about, going to the supermarket because of some antiquated church holiday tomorrow. At least there is vague hope that somebody in Platforma will realise one day that all these church holidays are bankrupting the state. They certainly are ******* with my capacity to earn.

So there we have it. Tomorrow there is a clear choice. A simple choice between continued modernisation, and continued economic growth, and a lessening of the churches' role - or if you want to make things worse, the opposite of that.

Of course the president is only a titular role - and nobody really seems to care - but a PIS president will send the wrong message, and are the bad side of Polish society as far as liberal Europe is concerned, and I count myself as one of those Europeans.

And the great danger of a PIS president would be all the rhetoric and brain-washing for a "Brave New World" of a PIS victory in November - in which case an even greater number of young graduates will leave.