Presidential elections and debates 2015 Poland

Fancy a private bet that PO old fart will lose in the second round? (paid via paypal)

I don't bet but I think it'll be a toss-up, very close one way or the other, in the margin of error category. In fact, I won't be surprised if the losing side demands a re-count. The performance of Kukiz voters -- whether or not they vote for Duda -- will be crucial. At least that's my take on it.

Vast majority of Kukiz's voter will vote for Duda, only minority got intimidated by Duda's Pis

I'll happily take that bet. Shall we say 100zl / £20? Paid by the loser to the charity of the winner's choice and payment evidenced by a screenshot of the email of confirmation of donation and copy of transfer order (both redacted, of course).

Ok, so we have a bet then.

This is it. Also, many Kukiz voters may abstain from the second round altogether. How many of them will decide to stay home? We don't know. Remember, these are the so-called "anty-sytem" voters, so they may feel inclined to vote neither Duda nor Komorowski, but more of them would be on the Duda side, of course.

Also, you should take into account voters who support PO, but stayed home in the first round because they thought the ballot would bring up Komorowski as the winner of the first round, so the decisive one would be the next, final, one. The fact that Komorowski came second in the first round may cause even more of his voters turn up in the second. On the other hand, there is a large number of PO voters who feel disappointed with PO but not ready to vote PiS, so they may decide to abstain as well.

The outcome is very, very hard to predict. Opinion polls which failed completely before the first round do not seem likely to correctly predict the result of the second one.

That's going to be the key. I know more than a few people here who didn't bother to vote in the first round (mostly because they simply aren't registered to vote in Warsaw) but are going to vote (and have registered for a one-off vote in Warsaw) to stop PiS getting anywhere near power.

Let's hope there's not enough of them to prolong the agony of Platformerdom. Platformersom dziękujemy! (Roughly translatable as: You Platformers have had your fling and may now bow out!)

Isn't that just another way of saying TKM?

If the PO brigade mobilise their usually inactive voters for fear of a PiS up, then probably some of the previously lapsed PiS voters who had sat out the election believing there to be no hope will also spring to life and mark the paper with PiS. That would mean those who want a lot of PO still face the same sticky result.

Probably not, one of the few things that PiS have always been good at is getting their voters out (for example, supposedly a considerable number of priests remind people to vote after mass).

Mister President was in Wrocław today I see from the telly, with an entourage of at least 3 all shaved head suit and earpiece wearing security guards. Curious choice regarding image.

The celebrant at my church (a Pauline retreatmaster from Jasna Góra) urged the congregation ot vote for the candidate who defends Catholic values rather than imported trendy anti-Christian ideologies. No names were named.

Another excellent example of the RCC sticking its nose into matters that are none of its business and contributing yet more to the long decline of the RCC in Poland. It's only a pity that Poland won't this year be giving the RCC a hand in destroying its power in Poland.


Yes, those accused immigrants and their imported values!

so RCC has no right to support Christian candidate who who defends Christian values?
lol..its like am back in time and listening some communist criminal scum talking in tv
RCC has right to express their political views,same as feminist congress ect. its free country.

The RCC has no business telling people for whom they should vote: not in presidential elections, national elections or any other elections.


There is no need for you to go back in time if you want to listen to communist criminal scum talking on tv RCC: just tune into TV Trwam, you won't have to wait long before you hear from a former communist collaborator. And I'm sure I can guess who they are supporting in this election.

The RCC have all the right to support the candidate that they prefer. That is what is called democracy, but unfortunately the left-wing hate democracy (and, by default, the church).


It is funny that at the same time that you ask for the destruction of the Catholic Church, you are a fierce defensor of Islam using the argument of religious freedom.

So the religious freedom is not valid regarding your ridiculous hate of the Catholic Church?

If they want to be a charity, they can be a charity; if they want to get involved in politics, their tax status needs to reflect that. Hopefully the open involvement of the RCC in this election will lead to a review of their tax status.


Yawn; is there a surer sign that somebody knows he has lost the debate than when he starts to make things up about and insult the other side?


It's funny that you are either incapable of reading what I write or telling the truth about it. But I guess that as you can't argue with what I do say, you have to try to argue against what I don't say.

As Orwell put it, everyone is equal but some are more equal than others. To fanatically mindless Cathophobes, protection should be extended to everyone -- Muslims, atheists, anti-globalists, agnostics, homos, Hindus, transgenderists, Shintoists, Greens, Negroes, bisexuals, Orientals, anarchists, Jews of course and most everyone else, but not to the RCC.

Let's get back to the topic again

An interesting quote and one which appears to have been translated by PiS supporters into TKM, which is one of the many reasons they won't be winning any elections giving real power any time soon.

Every poltical party everywhere thast is vying for election is hoping that now it's our turn. That's all TKM is about. The "flatfeet" (in Polish the PO are called Platfusy) were thinking that before they lost both the presidential and Sejm elections in 2005. As a foregone conclusion they had been arrogantly been touting "a PM from Kraków" (Rokita) and "a president form Kashubia" (Tusk). They were planning a PO-PiS coalition (with PiS as the junior partner) and it was Komorowksi in mid-summer 2005 who first began virulently attacking PiS. Then the PO came up with the idioitc notion that coaliton talks must be televised live. That is never done anywhere. That is how the Platfusy launched the Polish-Polish war. It's good remembering what was what and who was who.

Most commie collaborators were and are in the SLD and the thankfully long defunct Unia Wolności. When the latter disappeared, the shipwrecks moved to PO which they felt was more "respectable" than the Leszek Miller gang.

Very well said Polonius, most of the SLD members are ex-communist party intelligentsia.

Quite. People simply don't want a return to that. Also the anti-EU rhetoric doesn't appeal.

People simply don't want a return to that, but you failed to make it clear which people. People wallowing in ill-gotten wealth and comfort, scam artists of every type, oldboy networks and snooty look-down-on-you-fellow-man elites do not want anyone in power who wants to clean up the exploitation and corruption and give the average Pole a fair shake. The foreign-owned banks and retail chains that are not paying their fair share of taxes and funneling most of their profits to their head offices abroad also do not want anyone who would restrict such goings-on. And eurocrats and others cashing in on the EU's interference in Poland's internal affairs also do not want any change for the better. Try to be more precise when you use the word "people".

The quote applies mainly to Christophobes, Jew-lovers, homophiles and assorted liberals and leftists. who would scream bloody murder if a rabbi or homosexual activist were attacked but are strangely silent about the estimated 100,000 - 160,000 Christians murdered each year solely because of their faith and refusal to espouse Islam or Hinduism. When was the last time you thought about or mentioned such victims? It is Christians who are "less equal" ( to use the Orwellian concept) than the privileged pet minorities vigorously defended by the leftstream media and PC dictatorship.

Please do not be naive Polonious. It's called business - something that Poland had precious little of when I first visited these shores in 1985. And every country has corporations who do this, whether they be Amazon or the "coffee" chain giants.

PIS would rather still have us all shopping at Spoolem and banking with those PKO crooks. Myself I prefer freedom of choice.

A couple of notes

One from the debate. I was actually going to mention if before but forgot. Komorowski mentioned how Duda had signed a declaration in a form that there should be no pay rises for the farmers/farming industry in Poland. Duda said he did no such thing. Komorowski then took out a sheet of paper and told people to check a certain website, as that was supposed to be the source. Upon checking the website, journalists discovered that one of the staff on this website was Komorowski's daughter. After this news was revealed, her name mysteriously had 'suspended' beside it in the 'who we are' section.

Another strange although not so surprising thing. In the week leading up to the election, Janusz Pospieszalski's weekly TVPinfo program has been taken off the air. Admittedly Pospieszalski leans more towards PiS than PO, but what happened to freedom of speech? The mainstream media have been promoting Komorowski for most of last week and this week. Why can't one program go the other way? Once again, the mainstream media bias is very clear.

Everybody loves a winner?

We look forward to the rude awakening of all the gulible Bronkites and Komorists when Andrzej Duda becomes the next President of Poland. That's only three days away!

Give it up Polonious. Did you see the debate? Your man is a tool - and that when in comparison to the charisma lacking Komorowski is REALLY saying something.

If Polish bookmakers gave odds on the election they would lose millions. Komorowski is a cert, a shoe-in. You PIS people are wasting your time even voting - but I guess church, then voting, will fill your Sunday?

Not meaning to be rude - it sounds like a nice day - your country, your church, your vote - but I don't like to see you wasting your time though on the third. Show me the odds and where to back the PO bloke and I would sell my businesses to the bank then buy back and more :)

Guess again! I'd bet my flat on you being wrong there.