pawian: Goodnight, Iron. :):):)
Ok, after a good night`s sleep and a few zlotys earned at Saturday courses, I feel like King Kong.
Iron, I am ready for you!
Ironside: Why don't they ship all people to slavery and than sell the land,
Silly.
Ironside: Sure, late retirement is standard in Europe eh? Where exactly ?
E.g., Germany, Norway - 67.
UK, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Belgium etc etc - 65.
Ironside: What about jobs for those old people ?
What about pensions for early pensioners? What if the state won`t be able to finance it like now?
You have no idea about the pension system in Poland. E.g., in the old system, a policeman was entitled to retire after 15 years. Funny, wasn`t it?
Read this article from 2006. It shows how serious the problem was and still is.
http://www.wbj.pl/article-32130-bringing-zus-back-to-earth.html
Youthful retirees
With 1.5 million people in early retirement, Poland has the youngest old-age pensioners in the world, and they cost the budget zł.20 billion annually. In 2005, the average man beginning his retirement was 58.7 years old. For women starting their retirement, the average age was 56. According to the projections of the Central Statistical Office, in 2030 people older than 65 will account for 24 percent of society. Currently, the figure is 13 percent.
Someone has to pay into the system in order for retirees to receive their pensions, but the number of those professionally active in Poland continues to shrink. However, instead of finding new ways of putting more people to work, subsequent governments have given in to the demands of various groups of workers, granting them new retirement privileges.
"Miners can opt for early retirement schemes, and as a result they actually get three times more from the social-security system than they put into it while they were still professionally active. Their annual contributions amount to zł.3 billion and they obtain zł.8 billion. I don't question anyone's right to the old-age pension when they reach the right age, but if governments don't change their policy, we risk a breakdown of public finance," warns Mordasewicz.
"I believe that the issue of social insurance is the most urgent problem for the government to solve. With adverse demographic tendencies and more and more groups demanding privileges, the state will finally go bankrupt," Mordasewicz warns.
Robert Gwiazdowski is blunt about the issue: "Since the times of Bismarck, states had difficulties in dealing with these issues. Some cope better, some worse. People have to stop taking for granted the fact that the state is going to support them in their old age and realize that by going on strike and demanding early retirement schemes they actually do it against their children. Finally, people simply have to have more children."
Let`s be frank, experts say the new reform is a very mild one because it is going to prolong the changes for many years.
The government wants to gradually raise the retirement age starting from 2013. Every four months the retirement age will be rise by one month (in other words, rising by a total of three months every year). In this way the target retirement age of 67 will be reached by 2020 for men, and 2040 for women. The Prime Minister emphasises that the reform is to safeguard public finances.
Ironside: Also minimum wages are higher in Europe like four, six times, Why government is not focusing on align to those standards eh?
Because the efficiency of Polish workers is still lower than in Western Europe. We lose too much time at work. However, wages are higher in the old EU but the cost of living too. Don`t forget it.
Now, I expect rational arguments from you.
Are you able to provide them?
I doubt that.
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