Amnesty to Illegal immigrants in Poland

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Oct 17, 11, 11:47 #1

Hey everybody.

Can anybody please tell me where I can get official information on this. I have 3 news links that say slightly different things.

www.moveoneinc.com/blog/immigration/poland-immigration-curiosity-presi dent-signs-bill-granting-amnesty-to-illegal-residents/

ukrainec.pl/illegal-migrants-in-poland-can-be-legalized-in-2012/

www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/poland-government.bvp

SWIM is very interested in this but doesn't want to be told 7 different things by 7 different people working at the same government office. Can anybody please suggest the most reliable source for accurate details of this amnesty?

Thanks
-Blanks

hythornThreads: 6 Posts: 843 Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 11, 12:23 #2
interesting article the first one ''About 70,000 foreigners are living in Poland illegally according to national statistics. Poland has passed two similar abolition acts in 2003 and 2007, as a result of which, approximately 4,500 foreigners legalized their stay in the country. '' If I were an illegal immigrant I would be very careful the odds of you getting amnesty do not look great

BlankityBlankThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Oct 17, 11 ♂	Oct 17, 11, 12:38 #3
I believe the previous amnesties were much stricter according to one of those articles. That's why they've loosened this one up significantly. Can anybody point me in the right direction of official information? Thanks -Blanks

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 11, 12:39 #4
What does this amnesty mean? Does it allow Polish citizenship... therefore the right to travel to UK?

hythornThreads: 6 Posts: 843 Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂	Oct 17, 11, 12:44 #5
Trevek: Does it allow Polish citizenship... therefore the right to travel to UK? it would do you would not legally be able to keep them out

BlankityBlankThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Oct 17, 11 ♂	Oct 17, 11, 16:38 #6
Does anybody have links to detailed official information on this?

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Oct 17, 11, 16:43 #7

hythorn:

it would do

you would not legally be able to keep them out

Eventually, but not immediately. Usually between 'Illegal' and 'Citizen' there is the state of 'permission to remain' or something similar.

Not to long ago the Italians gave a whole bunch of French speaking African's some special visa that allows travel in the EU, knowing fine well that they would immediately bugger off to France. Which they did. So the UK isn't always the final destination either.

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Oct 17, 11, 16:53 #8

magpie:

So the UK isn't always the final destination either.

you are absolutely spot on
however Trevek was asking whether in theory they ought to be able to go to the UK
and the answer appears to be a resounding yes

if you are an illegal, speak Polish and are settled, what point is there to go to the UK
if you are a student who overstayed their visa, hustling just to survive (excuse the 1970s US ghetto parlance)
and speaking English, you might be better off in Blighty

magpieThreads: 7 Posts: 171 Joined: Mar 10, 09 ♂	Edited by: magpie Oct 17, 11, 18:07 #9
Fair doos.

hythornThreads: 6 Posts: 843 Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂	Oct 18, 11, 11:20 #10
presuming the country that you were from originally has an embassy in Poland, you might want to give them a call from a pay phone however I do not feel good about helping people break the law do have the good taste not to send me a PM

BlankityBlankThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Oct 17, 11 ♂	Oct 18, 11, 12:38 #11
Thanks for your advice. I'm actually looking for a way to follow this new law. I've found myself in this very position because of bureaucratic bungles and all I want is a clear, accurate source of official information as was my request in my initial post.

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Oct 18, 11, 13:20 #12

BlankityBlank:

I've found myself in this very position because of bureaucratic bungles and all I want is a clear, accurate source of official information as was my request in my initial post.

I cannot guarantee if the embassy will be able to give you the info you seek as it is usually manned by little old ladies who are not exactly human dynamos

however if you get a particularly answer from the Nigerian embassy, you can always pretend to be Ghanian (if that is what people from Ghana are called) and call their embassy to see if the stories match.

happy hustling

PWEIThreads: 5 Posts: 894 Joined: Jul 28, 11 ♂	Oct 18, 11, 14:18 #13
BlankityBlank: all I want is a clear, accurate source of official information Well then you need to ask the officials who make the decisions, it's that simple.

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Oct 18, 11, 18:50 #14

Pop Will Eat Itself>

Yes, one would think so. Could you possibly post a link to where said officials release such information. As much as I enjoy going to the same office five times, speaking to five different people and getting five different stories.... I just want to find official written information online about this. If anybody could please direct me to such a place I'd really appreciate it.

hythornThreads: 6 Posts: 843 Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂	Edited by: hythorn Oct 18, 11, 18:56 #15
you are the illegal immigrant get off your fat arse and do your own fact finding you lazy shiftless git if you turn up in person at an embassy then you really are a dumb son of a b!tch 'hello I am an illegal immigrant, I wonder if you could help me...'

magpieThreads: 7 Posts: 171 Joined: Mar 10, 09 ♂	Oct 18, 11, 19:08 #16
Agneszka Litwin may be available for some consultancy on the matter... on a 'no win, no me' basis?

hythornThreads: 6 Posts: 843 Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂	Oct 18, 11, 19:56 #17
magpie: Agneszka Litwin may be available for some consultancy on the matter... on a 'no win, no me' basis? absolute comic genius I salute you Sir

BlankityBlankThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Oct 17, 11 ♂	Oct 18, 11, 20:23 #18
Yeah, What a lazy shiftless git I must be for having trawled through endless pages of internets, spoken to countless people about my problem and finally reached out to people on a forum to people that may know a thing or two. But alas, a raw nerve has been hit and my head is hanging in shame. What nerve I must have, straight to hell for me it would seem.

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Oct 18, 11, 21:20 #19

BlankityBlank:

Thanks for your advice. I'm actually looking for a way to follow this new law. I've found myself in this very position because of bureaucratic bungles and all I want is a clear, accurate source of official information as was my request in my initial post.

maybe someone can translate it for you - I'm too tired today - http://karta-pobytu.pl/abolicja-dla-cudzoziemcow-podpisana-przez-prezy denta/

BlankityBlankThreads: 1 Posts: 6 Joined: Oct 17, 11 ♂	Edited by: BlankityBlank Oct 18, 11, 21:37 #20
Thanks for restoring some of my faith in humanity gumishu. Although the link appears to be broken, I've loaded a Google cache of the page and it does have some useful information.

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Edited by: gumishu Oct 18, 11, 21:48 #21

http://karta-pobytu.pl/abolicja-dla-cudzoziemcow-podpisana-przez-prezy denta/ - I reposted but the previous link works on my computer- so it must be something different

there are some restrictions in the law - you have to fullfil one of their conditions - you can apply if you stay in Poland since 2007 (if you have some passport stamp or some other document to prove the entry before 2007) there are two other possibilities - if you stay since the beggining of 2010 and was issued a denial to stay and declared eligible for extradition before the date (january 1st 2010) or if there is another application process going on in your name since at least 01.01.2010

the abolition means that you are allowed to stay in Poland for a time of two years - the start is on 01.01.2012 I guess - in that time you should try to sort your things with the immigration office

hythornThreads: 6 Posts: 843 Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂	Oct 18, 11, 21:53 #22
works for me. then again so did the other one I am sure having clicked on two links in the space of one evening our futive at large must be utterly exhausted you have tired him out Gumishu, old friend

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Oct 18, 11, 22:02 #23
hythorn: ''About 70,000 foreigners are living in Poland illegally according to national statistics. yes? i can tell you that similarly started Serbian problems with Kosovo. EU then turned it in our tragedy (because EU likes to see Slavs in misery). Many already speak of Polish Kosovo scenario. Beware brotherly Poles.

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Edited by: hythorn Oct 18, 11, 22:03 #24

sorry I meant fugitive at large

the dyslexia is really kicking in tonight

hahahaha

hythorn: ''About 70,000 foreigners are living in Poland illegally according to national statistics.
yes? i can tell you that similarly started Serbian problems with Kosovo. EU then turned it in our tragedy (because EU likes to see Slavs in misery). Many already speak of Polish Kosovo scenario. Beware brotherly Poles.

do you think the illegal immigrants in Poland might want their own breakaway state?

magpieThreads: 7 Posts: 171 Joined: Mar 10, 09 ♂	Oct 18, 11, 22:27 #25
Crow: i can tell you that similarly started Serbian problems with Kosovo. Illegal immigrants? Weren't they citizens of the country, but just the wrong flavour? BTW, I stubbed my toe earlier. Was that the fault of NATO? Was it the Kosovites? Will it feel better after the uprising of the Slavic brotherhood?

NatasaThreads: 7 Posts: 2,607 Joined: Jun 6, 10 MEMBER ♀	Edited by: Natasa Oct 18, 11, 23:23 #26
magpie: Weren't they citizens of the country, but just the wrong flavour? Some were, most not. Well flavors differ from region to region. What would you think about let's say 1 million of illegal Arab immigrants in Scotland that want independence and claim the greenest meadows of Scotland to be their land ? stop the earth i want to get off

hythornThreads: 6 Posts: 843 Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂	Oct 18, 11, 23:37 #27
Natasa: What would you think about let's say 1 million of illegal Arab immigrants in Scotland that want independence and claim the greenest meadows of Scotland to be their land ? we would probably have a debate and at worst a national referendum we would not systematically rape them that is for sure

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Edited by: magpie Oct 18, 11, 23:43 #28

Natasa:

What would you think about let's say 1 million of illegal Arab immigrants in Scotland that want independence and claim the greenest meadows of Scotland to be their land ?

Are you asking me as an Australian? In which case the answer would be that.... I'd probably try and sell it to them.

But Hythorn is right, there would be a lots of mumping and moaning, but I doubt that there'd be blood in the streets. That's a more continental way of resolving things. That and blocking ports and burning things. And, we'd never hear the bloody end of it from the Daily Mail.

And I think you're over simplifying thousands of years of complex history and fluid borders. No? Or did they all really turn up one day and demand it?

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Oct 18, 11, 23:47 #29
Natasa: What would you think about let's say 1 million of illegal Arab immigrants in Scotland that want independence and claim the greenest meadows of Scotland to be their land ? No one would care, just as long as they were not English.

roshbosh666Threads: 1 Posts: 16 Joined: Nov 30, 11 ♂	Dec 21, 11, 21:22 #30
NEVER MAKE THEM CITIZENS PLEASE!!!!... DO what dubai does it has never given anybody else citizenship , think about humanity please. Learn do the Saudi money and oil more important than anything ?

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